slain in the spirit???

carey · Mar 30, 2013

I am confused about this. I have not found any instances of this happening in the Bible, but in 2003 I had hepatitis c and went to a healing service at church, the pastor put his hand in front of me and started to pray, he didn't touch me, all throughout my body, I felt a warm sensation, and I was on the floor! 2 years later my doctor told me I no longer had hepatitis c
Please post your thoughts
I do not believe my healing wasn't from God, and I know God is not the author of confusion, nevertheless I'm still confused! If that makes any sense

crossnote · Mar 30, 2013

''I do not believe my healing wasn't from God,'' is a double negative, so I guess you believe it was from God?
God still heals, no? Was Jesus given all the glory or did you sense some was going elsewhere?

OceanGrl · Mar 30, 2013

I definitely don't think what you experienced was being "slain in the spirit" but more like the Lord gave you healing. As far as being slain in the spirit is concerned, I don't really understand that concept. I grew up in Pentecostal churches and found it kind of weirdly funny how people would just fall. Like, I don't mean that in a blasphemous way or anything, but I just didn't understand it. Now that I'm older and having read the Bible more, there are no instances that display such an event, at least as far as I can tell.

crossnote · Mar 30, 2013

oh yeah slain in the spirit in the bible....maybe here?...

Then Jesus, knowing all that would happen to him, came forward and said to them, "Whom do you seek?" They answered him, "Jesus of Nazareth." Jesus said to them, "I am he." Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them. When Jesus said to them, "I am he," they drew back and fell to the ground.
(Joh 18:4-6)

hehe

Nancyer · Mar 30, 2013

I'm not saying healings don't take place, but I've always been suspicious of those people falling backwards when the pastor touched them. Never having witnessed this personally I can't say for sure. I'm grateful you are free of the hepatitis c, whatever the explanation, Praise God! Focus on that and we will all give thanks and glory to God that you are well and you can spread His word an gospel.

Love and blessings, Carey,

carey · Mar 30, 2013

Oops, forgot about that scripture! Thanks

crossnote said:

oh yeah slain in the spirit in the bible....maybe here?...

Then Jesus, knowing all that would happen to him, came forward and said to them, "Whom do you seek?" They answered him, "Jesus of Nazareth." Jesus said to them, "I am he." Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them. When Jesus said to them, "I am he," they drew back and fell to the ground.
(Joh 18:4-6)

hehe

OceanGrl · Mar 30, 2013

crossnote said:

Hmm, but is that the kind of slaying that happens in some churches? That is the question. To me, those were different circumstances.

Elizabeth619 · Mar 30, 2013

carey said:

Don't think I am doubt your story. I do believe the Lord healed you, but I wouldn't be too quick to believe the pastor "healed" you. Anytime someone in the bible was healed by Jesus or an apostle they were healed immediately. Their illness was instantly gone. It wasn't a progressive healing, and Hep C is a curable disease as well. You did state that 2 years later the doctors told you that you were cured. Which is wonderful, and yes the Lord surely had a hand in that, but I just wouldn't give credit to what happened in to in 2003.

MAny healers in this day will use certain forms of hypnosis to project being "slain in the spirit".
I don't know if you have ever seen stage hypnosis, but it is real. The hypnotist will put many in the audience under a trance, and it is fairly easy to do if you know what you are doing.

The power the hypnotist has on his subject is the trust he can instill on his subjects. A hypnotist can take over your critical thinking and direct your body to do things, but you have to allow him to do so. When you allow this or trust the hypnotist or healer they then can manipulate you to do things you cannot "control".

My guess is the pastor had some type of music playing in the background and said things repetitive like "God is with us today", "Expect miracles", Praise God and so on. All of this is part of the act. He is gaining your trust by increasing your expectations.
The healer will have the audience imagine certain situations. Like being hot, cold, hungry, thirsty,
All of this is a pep talk, and is putting you in a trance. When you enter the trance your subconscious is awakened and you are putty in the healers hands.

When the healer prays certain key words he says will trigger your subconscious to responf to certain commands. When you were thinking earlier about being hot, cold, and so on you suddenly feel a similar sensation

JaumeJ · Mar 30, 2013

Once while attending a praise meeting in Danville, Illinois, a young woman, Marian I believe, had received the Holy Spirit. She was seated by herself, and I saw her face. She looked so very happy. I walked to tell her I could see her happiness but before I could speak I felt the Presence of the Holy Spirit coming from her and it filled me with such great joy and knowledge of her state. All I could say is, "You are blessed, you are blessed, you are blessed." She was almost immobile sitting there, and I could say nothing more and nothing less than, "You are blessed." God is so good all of the time, amen...[/COLOR]

crossnote · Mar 30, 2013

OceanGrl said:

I hope you read the 'hehe'

Ugly · Mar 30, 2013

carey said:

The problem i have with giving this preacher any credit is it was 2 years later before you were freed of the Hep C.

Another thing, is when i was a teen i was saved into an Assemblies of God, pentecostal, charismatic teachings. The whole 'slain in the spirit' thing, and healing, etc.. We had a big time televangelist charismatic preacher come to our church. Near the end he called anyone up who needed prayer or healing. There was probably close to 100 people stretched shoulder to shoulder from one side of the stage to the other (big church). The 'preacher' just went down the line touching peoples heads, bam, bam, bam, bam, haha. People were dropping like flies. He got to me. I was convinced i was not going to go down. I felt no pressure to follow everyone else. I was happy to keep standing. I went down, fast. His hand didn't even touch my head before i started going back. I blacked out. I woke up on the ground, part of the long line of people on the ground. I was only out a few seconds. I felt nothing. No Holy Spirit. No warmth. It was like waking up from a nap, nothing special. I just knew something wasn't right, because i had no explanation of why i fell to begin with. I tried laying there, praying, trying to feel anything at all from God. Nothing. After a few minutes of laying there, i got up and sat down. I got nothing out of it. I went up for healing, and i wasn't healed. I'm still not healed of that 20 years later.

Though i did used to do the whole 'slain in the spirit' thing. But in the long run i saw the futility of it. Sadly, my time as a charismatic was nothing more than me waiting to 'feel God' again, and being more focused on being 'drunk in the spirit' than much else. Its like an addiction. You get your fix, feel good, but then it wears off and you can't wait for your next fix. It has no lasting effects, its very hallow. I have now pulled myself out of all Charismatic type doctrines. My faith is stronger, my relationship with God better, i feel less condemnation in my walk, i understand the bible and God better.
This isn't to say i think charismatics aren't sincere, i was. It just seems they are easily misguided by 'moves of God' and 'God doing something new' and are less inclined to hold these things to scriptural approval. Its the 'need a fix' concept. It starts as 'slain in the spirit' and eventually that wears off, so you need a stronger drug, so you go off in search of a 'newer' move of God that is stronger than the last one.

OceanGrl · Mar 30, 2013

crossnote said:

Oh... lol... I blame me missing that on it being late and me being tired.

BLINDSIDE_CHIK · Mar 30, 2013

I don't understand how you would be confused when you clearly said you felt God and saw him move (through results and healing) after your pastor prayed for you.

tribesman · Mar 30, 2013

carey said:

Things like this can and do happen. It doesn't change the fact that we must discern and judge the doctrine/gospel which is preached in such coherence as well as in any other. Important to understand is that things like this do not "prove" anything to be "authentic divine" today. Though it may be, it may also not be. It is a reality that manifestations like this can occur among the unregenerate, among false prophets and deceivers.

carey · Mar 30, 2013

Let me clarify something
I did not give any glory to the pastor
not sure how anybody got that idea!
if anything I give him credit for being a willing vessel
God gets all the glory!
and I didn't get re-tested for 2 years
my healing might have been automatic, but I'll never know cause I had faith that God answered my prayers

@Elizabeth
Just wanted to say I don't believe in hypnotism, I think it's evil, cause you have to open up your mind to another, and all kinds of issues can come from that

Ugly · Mar 30, 2013

carey said:

Yes, that was my point, you won't know for sure. But you seem to be relating it to that moment 2 years earlier anyways, which is what i was getting at.

What Elizabeth is getting at is called 'mass hypnotism'. Many 'charismatic' preachers have learned this art. It is a common trick used on believers. The comparisons to pagan hypnotism practices to allow their 'animal spirit' to manifest and take over is nearly identical to the typical charismatic 'praise and worship' session, and the results can be nearly identical as well. Especially if you remember the 'revivals' that took place years back, with the 'holy laughter' and barking and people running around, etc.. If you look at videos of that and these Tibetan animal spirit practices its the same. Its all mass hypnotism.

CatHerder · Mar 30, 2013

God healed you! 'Nuff said!!

I was wondering where everyone was getting the giving glory to the pastor thing, so thank you for clarifying - I thought I had missed a deleted post or something!

carey · Mar 30, 2013

BLINDSIDE_CHIK said:

Maybe confusion is the wrong word to use?
I know without a doubt my healing was all God, but the conflict I have is it seems like being slain in the spirit is over used, I feel that some churches are trying to force the manifestation of the spirit, I have seen some pastors push a person until they fall to the ground

carey · Mar 30, 2013

Oh my God!
that's horrible! I honestly have no word's for that sort of practice! What has happened to the church!

Ugly said:

Yes, that was my point, you won't know for sure. But you seem to be relating it to that moment 2 years earlier anyways, which is what i was getting at.

What Elizabeth is getting at is called 'mass hypnotism'. Many 'charismatic' preachers have learned this art. It is a common trick used on believers. The comparisons to pagan hypnotism practices to allow their 'animal spirit' to manifest and take over is nearly identical to the typical charismatic 'praise and worship' session, and the results can be nearly identical as well. Especially if you remember the 'revivals' that took place years back, with the 'holy laughter' and barking and people running around, etc.. If you look at videos of that and these Tibetan animal spirit practices its the same. Its all mass hypnotism.

Cobus · Mar 30, 2013

Carey I have to go help people now, but i will show you in the Bible what SLAIN in the Spirit means. It has NOTHING to do about falling in the flesh! See you later, God willing!

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