So...how old is the Earth?

MahogonySnail · Sep 18, 2009

Nice try, but no... anyone that's done highschool physics knows that space is a vacuum and therefore cannot carry sound. Besides, Cup of Ruin, you believe stars are ice-crystals, they emit sound now? Stars emit powerful EM waves like x-rays and gamma-rays, because they are not ice crystals, but exactly what scientists today say they are. I can't believe both of you , particularly you Cup of Ruin, since you think yourself to be a scientist, were fooled into thinking that stars emit sounds in the vacuum of space *shakes head*

Cup-of-Ruin · Sep 18, 2009

MahogonySnail said:

Space is not empty nothingness, it is not a vacuum, radio waves can be recieved through space, so the sound is carried understand. You know the problem is that you have a high school physics understanding and that's it. Put your Rockerfella textbooks away kid and get a real education via the Holy Spirit, then come back and discuss science.

Graybeard · Sep 18, 2009

MahogonySnail said:

Nice try, but no... anyone that's done highschool physics knows that space is a vacuum and therefore cannot carry sound. Besides, Cup of Ruin, you believe stars are ice-crystals, they emit sound now? Stars emit powerful EM waves like x-rays and gamma-rays, because they are not ice crystals, but exactly what scientists today say they are. I can't believe both of you , particularly you Cup of Ruin, since you think yourself to be a scientist, were fooled into thinking that stars emit sounds in the vacuum of space *shakes head*

haha!..no, it's not like if you train your ear toward the heavens that you will hear singing

Graybeard · Sep 18, 2009

MahogonySnail said:

recently they have detected that there are a "substance/s" that cannot be seen that fills the "emptiness" of space, one of which they call "time fabric" (I think) and the other which they know is there but are in the process of verifying/proving they call "dark matter" or "dark energy" which is the opposite to matter, all a bit of a mystery at the moment but the evidence is there. I do not know the scientific names etc but I do know that it is real.

wwjd_kilden · Sep 18, 2009

ok, you got me curious. what does ice crystals in space have to do with Gods word?

Cup-of-Ruin · Sep 18, 2009

Graybeard said:

Graybeard,

You are correct, in a way. Not that I agree with Einsteinian physics, but, but the curvature of space-time is indicative of the substance of space, indeed space as an 'ether' is a long held understanding. Quantum physics prove that all matter is energy, there is nothing solid and therefore there is nothing empty, there is no absolute vacuum or nothingness, all is energy subject to the mind of God.

Graybeard · Sep 18, 2009

MahogonySnail said:

what you say here is on line with this "Gap Theory" you mentioned, I have never heard of it until your post. I have since heard a summary of it preached and must say that my spirit appears to somewhat agree...all new to me but I have to be honest and say that it makes a lot of sense to many questions I have held in my head for a very long time, very interesting indeed.

MahogonySnail tell me, what changed your mind about it?

MahogonySnail · Sep 18, 2009

LOL vacuum is absense of air, there is no air in space. Sound does not travel in space.

First, let's debunk this myth that the stars emit sounds.
a) stars do not emit sound, but EM radiation or noise. There is a big difference.
b) Even if stars did emit sound, it would not be heard or carried as there is no air.
c) stars do not "sing", it is noise they emit, not music. LOL.

Secondly, let's interpret the bible properly. "Morning stars" in Job 38:7 are angels. Simple.

Thirdly, the idea that stars emit sound or radio waves contradicts your view that stars are simply ice crystals. There's a contradiction in your beliefs right there. The only reason they emit waves is because of what they are - intense energy like our sun, not ice crystals lol.

MahogonySnail · Sep 18, 2009

It could be in line with the gap theory but I meant that adding up to 6000 is based on man's assumptions and correct calculation of genealogies etc assuming no gaps are in the record. It could be 8000, 10000, 12000, 20,000.

The Gap Theory does make a lot of sense and well Benny Hinn taught on it in his series on "angels and demons" that he did a few years ago and claimed the Spirit revealed it to him (even though the gap theory has been around for a while now and existed before Hinn). It's a nice compromise between science and religion without doing away with the views of either. But I personally stopped believing in it simply because I realised a plain and simple reading of Genesis does not indicate any gap between verse 1 and 2. And the old testament verses which are used to support it need to be taken out of context. So to be safe and not upset my fundamentalist friends I just believe in a young earth, literal 7 day creation.

ChristopherMichael · Sep 18, 2009

Graybeard said:

The earth is as old as the geologists say it is. 5 billion years or something like that, I think. God is awesome!

- Topher

Graybeard · Sep 18, 2009

MahogonySnail said:

lol..I think you just contradicted yourself there slightly, first you say sound does not travel in space, then in the next breath (well the second really

), you say stars emit "noise"...so what is "noise" isn't noise directly related to "sound"?

"Secondly, let's interpret the bible properly. "Morning stars" in Job 38:7 are angels. Simple."
...okay but what about:

Psa 148:3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all you stars of light!
Psa 148:4 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!

Jezreel · Sep 18, 2009

I don't trust carbon dating whatsover. Here is a thought, when Adam was created in the image of God, our Lord created him as a grown man. God could create the earth to look older also if he so wanted to so those who live by faith would just receive his word without question. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution that it does creation. One day soon, when we see him face to face we will know everything as he is known. Another interesting thing I realized when this question and subject was brought up, just as the Lord's creation took on a whole beside his day of rest, 7 days, we are in the 7,000th year since the creation, just as one day as 1,000 years and 1,000 years as one day. The first Adam was created on the 6th day, but the 2nd Adam is the Lord from heaven and he is the 7th day, the day of rest that we labor to enter into his rest. Jesus is also our sabbath where we have ceased from our own works because of Christ's work upon the cross.

Chico_Zimbabwe · Sep 18, 2009

Jezreel said:

Why don't you trust it? How does it work?

Densetzu · Sep 18, 2009

Chico_Zimbabwe said:

Wikipedia has a detailed explanation.

Note that Carbon Dating doesn't actually work on anything older than 60,000 years old.

ChristopherMichael · Sep 18, 2009

Densetzu said:

Correct, but radioisotope dating as a whole can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_dating

- Topher

stillearning · Sep 18, 2009

ChristopherMichael said:

Actually the earth is 6010 years old I posted the scriptures and the time line of how we can tell how old it is from Gods Word

Slepsog4 · Sep 18, 2009

There is no gap, it did not take millions of years to evolve. In the Beginning God created. It did it in 6 days of evening and morning. Stop calling God a liar by being sucked into human theories of infidelity.

Men are deceived by what they think they see because they turn a deaf ear to what God has said.

There are no gaps in the chronological/genealogies of Genesis. They give generation upon generation with ages including births, death, and full life totals.

VeritasLuxMea · Sep 18, 2009

Cup-of-Ruin said:

Oh, it is very, very young. 4.4 Billion years old isn't but a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things.

As for the one who said that 'using a man made machine blah blah blah making stuff up blah blah people are wrong earth is only 6000 years old.'

...Seriously?

I'm not even going to get into the whole man made thing. The simple fact of the matter is that the age of the earth wasn't something they just kinda sorta thought about looking into once and came up with a big number and said 'SOUNDS GOOD ENOUGH TO ME BUD!'. It's all part of a very meticulous science where theories are formed and checked and double checked and triple checked and so on and so forth until it's been so shot full of holes and reformed and revamped until things start to line up and make sense.

Every big name in science is trying to prove the other guy wrong so he can be the first one to be right, it's not like they all stand around together making crap up to spoonfeed to the masses.

In case you can't tell, yeah, I believe the earth be somewhere in the 4.4 billion year old range, our solar system and sun aren't really much older, either. So, if God made the earth and the sun, then it is safe to assume he made the rest of the known universe at the same time, and so far as human beings have been able to prove, the rest of the universe plays by the same rules that we do here in our lovely little milky way. Based on that alone, observations and models have put the accretion time (duration it took for the planet to even form) at somewhere around the 100 million year mark.

6000 years...lol.

VeritasLuxMea · Sep 18, 2009

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]It's often said that in space, you can't hear yourself scream. True enough, more or less, but rather misleading. Recently, several SPACE.com readers wrote to ask how a B-flat emanating from a black hole could be detected from 250 million light-years away, as we reported earlier this month.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The answer, along with related interesting facts, reveals that silence is in the ear of the beholder, and ears come in a variety of configurations[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Sound can travel through space, because space is not the total vacuum it's often made out to be. Atoms of gas give the universe a ubiquitous atmosphere of sorts, albeit a very thin one.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Sound, unlike light, travels by compressing a medium. On Earth, the atmosphere works well as a sound-carrying medium, as does water. The planet itself is very adept at transmitting an earthquake's seismic waves, a form of sound.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Space, though not as efficient, can also serve as a medium.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]If a brave and clever astronaut could safely remove her helmet and shout into the cosmos, her voice would carry.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"We wouldn't be able to hear the sound because our ears aren't sensitive enough," explains Lynn Carter, a graduate student in astronomy at Cornell University. Not enough atoms -- if any -- would strike our eardrums. "Maybe if we had an amazingly large and sensitive microphone we could detect these sounds, but to our human ear it would be silent."[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]An amazingly sensitive microphone, in a sense, was used to discover the constant B-flat coming from the black hole [Story here]. NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory observed gas, compressed by the sound, in concentric rings much like ripples on a pond.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Seeing sound

Andrew Fabian of the Institute of Astronomy in Cambridge, England, explained in an e-mail interview how the sound was generated and why its signature crossed the cosmos.

The black hole under study sits amid a cluster of galaxies, a region of space where gas is denser than the universe on average.

Playing the role of speaker membranes in the galaxy cluster are two huge cavities, filled with gas that is hotter than its surroundings. This heat is generated by energy shot out from the black hole's environment as it accelerates matter to nearly the speed of light, just prior to swallowing it.

"The repetition needed to make the sound into a note is due to the cavities being buoyant -- the ultrahot gas is thinner than the cluster gas," Fabian said. "So the process resembles what happens when a child blows through a straw into a glass of milk."

Every 10 million years, a fresh wave bubbles out of the system.

"Sound waves are waves or ripples of pressure traveling through a gas," Fabian said.

"Displace some nearby particles by pushing -- say the membrane of a loudspeaker -- so there's a pressure peak, and those particles will push on particles further out and so on. The result is that the pressure peak moves outward, although no individual particle actually goes very far from its original position."

Ocean waves work similarly. A swell can travel thousands of miles, but it moves through the water rather than packing the molecules along.

As the pressure peaks travel outward from the cavities around the black hole, collisions occur between atoms in the gas, generating X-rays that reveal a concentric ring pattern. Being a form of light, X-rays can traverse the universe sans any medium, and these are what Chandra detected.

The sound waves rapidly die out, their energy converted to heat. So in essence the B-flat was seen, not heard, from 250 million light-years away.

Martian sounds

Our astronaut in space would experience something quite different from one on Mars, where sound could be heard with a modest microphone and some technological help. The Martian atmosphere is less than 1 percent as dense as Earth at sea level. This probably is not enough to carry sounds that the human ear could detect, experts say.
Of course, anyone outside on Mars would be wearing a pressurized suit, so the only sounds they'd hear would have to be electronically delivered. There's no reason a sensitive external microphone could not be used to pick up sounds and amplify them to some terrestrial approximation.

In fact, there were plans to listen to the natural sounds of Mars in this manner with a microphone aboard the 1999 Mars Polar Lander. The idea was to hear wind, blowing dust, perhaps even lightning within dust storms.

The microphone, funded by the Planetary Society and piggybacked on the Russian Lidar instrument oboard the NASA craft, was tested under Mars-like laboratory conditions.

"Even at Mars' low pressure, acoustic signals within the frequency range of the human ear can be detected," said Greg Delory, who at the time was a postdoctoral physicist at the University of California, Berkeley.

Mars remains silent to earthlings, because Mars Polar Lander failed to land properly and was never heard from. The microphone idea lives on, though, and the Planetary Society hopes to get one to Mars on some other mission.

And who knows what we'll hear? As Delory said, "The most exciting sounds are likely to be ones that we don't even know about yet."

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Densetzu · Sep 18, 2009

That's actually pretty interesting. I think the Biblical verses about the stars singing were intended in a purely poetical sense, but it's still cool what we can discover about the universe. And there's so much yet we don't know that it's something we can study till Judgment Day.

So...how old is the Earth?

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