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lol..I think you just contradicted yourself there slightly, first you say sound does not travel in space, then in the next breath (well the second really
), you say stars emit "noise"...so what is "noise" isn't noise directly related to "sound"?
"Secondly, let's interpret the bible properly. "Morning stars" in Job 38:7 are angels. Simple."
...okay but what about:
Psa 148:3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all you stars of light!
Psa 148:4 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!
), you say stars emit "noise"...so what is "noise" isn't noise directly related to "sound"?"Secondly, let's interpret the bible properly. "Morning stars" in Job 38:7 are angels. Simple."
...okay but what about:
Psa 148:3 Praise Him, sun and moon; Praise Him, all you stars of light!
Psa 148:4 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens!
Graybeard there's a big difference between sound waves and radio waves. Sound cannot travel in a vacuum. Radio waves can. EM noise is not sound, but if you could convert it to sound through a speaker then you can hear it. But what will you hear, singing? No, you'll hear shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just like when your radio isn't tuned properly. It's noise. I'd hardly call that praise worthy singing to God. Any connection between stars actually singing as mentioned in the bible and the radio noise they emit is very weak.
Re: Psalm 148, we can look at any good bible commentary:
Barnes says:
Praise him, all ye stars of light - A poetical expression to denote bright or shining stars. The phrase embraces all the stars as they strike the eyes of people. Each one has something special to it for which to praise God: and the entire groups - the immense multitudes, as such - should join in one chorus of praise.
1. Read my last post
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs
3. No.
4. Research before making claims.
5. ??????
6. Profit!
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs
3. No.
4. Research before making claims.
5. ??????
6. Profit!
If you note, that youtube clip you gave says it is electromagnetic waves converted to sound. As it says "sound exists as electromagnetic vibrations". But strictly speaking, sound waves and radio waves are not the same thing. Anything like that can be converted to sound, you could convert the energy that your own body emits into a sound if you wanted to. Admittedly, the interiors of stars and the sun do generate actual sound waves but these are deep within the core and don't travel outside of it , only detectable by asteroseismology
OK Vertias for the sake of peace or sanity I admit stars "emit" sound, (although it is debatable whether it is true that stars actually emit sound given that the sound waves don't escape its own atmosphere). Thanks for your post . But I do think there is general confusion over the difference between sound and radio waves.
. But I do think there is general confusion over the difference between sound and radio waves.
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If a black hole has been detected of emitting a B-flat sound, would be interesting to find out if all black holes emit B-flat or if they differ, is it so difficult to digest that just maybe that God and all the Heavenly Hosts hear an orchestra of sound emanating from His creation? Real Heavenly music man!
Real Heavenly music man!
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No Mahogony, don't give up! People, use common sense here. Let's examine some principles of sound, and figure out if stars make sounds that we can hear using fine-tuned acoustic equipment on earth.
1. Sound propagates from a source, outwards.
2. Sound travels differently through different mediums; metal, air, water, etc. i.e. With your ear to a rail you can hear someone hit it before the guy standing in the open air next to you can).
3. Since sound is affected by the medium it travels through, that means that sound travels through mediums.
4. In space, we know that there's no air or water that's uniformly distributed throughout. This is why our ships have to use propellant to maneuver in space (as opposed to propellers), and why astronauts have to have pressurized space suits with their own air supplies.
5. Since there's no medium uniformly distributed throughout space for sound to travel through, it does not propagate through space (except in Star Wars movies)! This is reinforced by the fact that there's no constant white noise at night from the sound of a million, billion stars bearing down on us.
Come on people!
- Topher
1. Sound propagates from a source, outwards.
2. Sound travels differently through different mediums; metal, air, water, etc. i.e. With your ear to a rail you can hear someone hit it before the guy standing in the open air next to you can).
3. Since sound is affected by the medium it travels through, that means that sound travels through mediums.
4. In space, we know that there's no air or water that's uniformly distributed throughout. This is why our ships have to use propellant to maneuver in space (as opposed to propellers), and why astronauts have to have pressurized space suits with their own air supplies.
5. Since there's no medium uniformly distributed throughout space for sound to travel through, it does not propagate through space (except in Star Wars movies)! This is reinforced by the fact that there's no constant white noise at night from the sound of a million, billion stars bearing down on us.
Come on people!
- Topher
Thankyou ChristopherMichael for your points I agree. We do like to leave our common sense at the door whenever we find something we think matches with the bible , grasping at straws for some kind of "proof" of the bible's absolute scientific credibility.
I think its' correct to say that stars do make sound in their inner core, but to say that they emit sound, is open to interpretation - it doesn't escape from the star's atmosphere . Most things that have movement make sounds including our own earth obviously. As you said, sound is basically a vibration in and through a medium, like a compression wave isn't it? Sound can travel through space where those mediums exist but interstellar gas clouds in space are not dense - but they can propagate some sound, yeah a couple of atoms impossible for us to hear LOL.
But all in all there's a big difference between saying a star emits sound in an aural sense and scientists able to pick up miniscule noises from planets and stars with highly sensitive equipment that looks at radio frequencies and then converting them to sounds and posting them on youtube for us to hear lol. Oh well, if that's singing or praising God, then my next door neighbours chainsaw which also "sings" when it is fired up and emits sound at the right frequency, is also praising God.
I think its' correct to say that stars do make sound in their inner core, but to say that they emit sound, is open to interpretation - it doesn't escape from the star's atmosphere . Most things that have movement make sounds including our own earth obviously. As you said, sound is basically a vibration in and through a medium, like a compression wave isn't it? Sound can travel through space where those mediums exist but interstellar gas clouds in space are not dense - but they can propagate some sound, yeah a couple of atoms impossible for us to hear LOL.
But all in all there's a big difference between saying a star emits sound in an aural sense and scientists able to pick up miniscule noises from planets and stars with highly sensitive equipment that looks at radio frequencies and then converting them to sounds and posting them on youtube for us to hear lol. Oh well, if that's singing or praising God, then my next door neighbours chainsaw which also "sings" when it is fired up and emits sound at the right frequency, is also praising God.
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You're so close, but so far away at the same time!
Human beings do not have hearing sensitive enough to come close to being able to listen to the sounds of the cosmos unaided.
To quote:
"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Astronomers were not surprised to find the supermassive black hole making a strong sub-bass sound. Though these greatest known matter sinks are by nature dark and invisible, they create bright and chaotic environments in which many forms of radiation -- from radio waves to visible light to X-rays -- have been recorded. These electromagnetic waves all travel at the speed of light.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Sound waves are similar, but they travel far more slowly and are more physical in nature. Sound you hear, for example, can be produced by the visible compression and expansion of a stereo speaker. The waves physically compress the stuff through which they move, be it air, water, or hot interstellar gas.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Other studies have shown that the riotous activity around black holes -- where gas is accelerated to nearly light-speed -- produces many notes that are, all together, much like music. Collectively, the cosmos produce, scientists believe, a cacophonic symphony of inaudible tunes.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Musical production appears to be ubiquitous in Nature. Scientists often call it flicker noise, and it has also been detected in the X-ray outputs of magnetic fields within our solar system. Even Earth hums its own tune. Musical analogies are found in everything from seascapes to brainwaves."[/FONT]
"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The 53 hours of Chandra observations revealed a note that is more than a million billion times deeper than what you can hear."
Just because we can't see it, hear it, smell it, taste it, touch it or even understand it does not mean it does not exist or cannot happen.
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Human beings do not have hearing sensitive enough to come close to being able to listen to the sounds of the cosmos unaided.
To quote:
"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Astronomers were not surprised to find the supermassive black hole making a strong sub-bass sound. Though these greatest known matter sinks are by nature dark and invisible, they create bright and chaotic environments in which many forms of radiation -- from radio waves to visible light to X-rays -- have been recorded. These electromagnetic waves all travel at the speed of light.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Sound waves are similar, but they travel far more slowly and are more physical in nature. Sound you hear, for example, can be produced by the visible compression and expansion of a stereo speaker. The waves physically compress the stuff through which they move, be it air, water, or hot interstellar gas.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Other studies have shown that the riotous activity around black holes -- where gas is accelerated to nearly light-speed -- produces many notes that are, all together, much like music. Collectively, the cosmos produce, scientists believe, a cacophonic symphony of inaudible tunes.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Musical production appears to be ubiquitous in Nature. Scientists often call it flicker noise, and it has also been detected in the X-ray outputs of magnetic fields within our solar system. Even Earth hums its own tune. Musical analogies are found in everything from seascapes to brainwaves."[/FONT]
"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The 53 hours of Chandra observations revealed a note that is more than a million billion times deeper than what you can hear."
Just because we can't see it, hear it, smell it, taste it, touch it or even understand it does not mean it does not exist or cannot happen.
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The gap theory does not allude to evolution in any way. Only as an alternative creationist explanation to explain why the dating of the earth is so old. The idea is that God created twice. The first earth existed for millions of years. The earth we live on now is the same one that was destroyed and then reformed or re-created by God in Genesis 2 onwards. The gap theory preserves both scientific facts about the dates of the earth, and a literal 7 day creation, without needing to appeal to evolutionary theory.
The gap between scientific dating and Genesis is bridged, simply by admitting that God must have used old and second-hand dirt!
Is there a verse that says the earth is 6000 years old?
Also see
http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v17/TJ17_genealogies.htm
for a discussion of the problem.
The gap between scientific dating and Genesis is bridged, simply by admitting that God must have used old and second-hand dirt!
Is there a verse that says the earth is 6000 years old?
Also see
http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v17/TJ17_genealogies.htm
for a discussion of the problem.
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hello bro and sis, im new here. ^_^
actually for this question, its just a matter of googling...
this one is good: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/05/30/how-old-is-earth
Young earth proponents (biblical age of the earth and universe of about 6,000 years)1
Old earth proponents (secular age of the earth of about 4.5 billion years and a universe about 14 billion years old)2
actually for this question, its just a matter of googling...
this one is good: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/05/30/how-old-is-earth
Young earth proponents (biblical age of the earth and universe of about 6,000 years)1
Old earth proponents (secular age of the earth of about 4.5 billion years and a universe about 14 billion years old)2
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While I agree He's not the author of confusion, I think there are some things we simply aren't meant to know or understand. I don't think God is hiding anything from us, I just don't think we have the ability to think in the same spectrum as GOD. For things we NEED to know, to be saved, to grow in Him, I know he reveals the answers to us. But, I like to think God gives us a little mystery, to spice things up.
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