So many anti charismatic smear jobs allowed?
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If it is concept vs concept I am fine with the opposition.
If it is attacking one individual,they will be judged.
And I may or may not engage them.
My beef is 2 fold.
1) where all charismatics are of the devil and Speaking in tongues is 100% of the devil.
2) that when reported (which I have) nothing is done.
So my conclusion is that this site approves and therefore emboldens them and incubates that demonic spirit operating in them.
So,yes he/they were reported and nothing happens.
On the other hand they ban hyper grace members.
If it is attacking one individual,they will be judged.
And I may or may not engage them.
My beef is 2 fold.
1) where all charismatics are of the devil and Speaking in tongues is 100% of the devil.
2) that when reported (which I have) nothing is done.
So my conclusion is that this site approves and therefore emboldens them and incubates that demonic spirit operating in them.
So,yes he/they were reported and nothing happens.
On the other hand they ban hyper grace members.
How ironic.(goofy and reckless)..so let's apply it across the board shall we?:
Yes.
We can all assume all baptists are clones and duplicates of yarborough baptist crazies.
Since no baptists here meet my special criteria.
Facepalm.
Get that wounded spirit crybaby mess cast out please.
Before you are completely consumed by your accusing spirit.
Yes.
We can all assume all baptists are clones and duplicates of yarborough baptist crazies.
Since no baptists here meet my special criteria.
Facepalm.
Get that wounded spirit crybaby mess cast out please.
Before you are completely consumed by your accusing spirit.
I think it is fair to question anything charismatic claim in the light of scriptures. I also thin it is ok for those here to feel it is not for today. They have an understanding that that see in the word of God. As do those who see it the other way. There is attacks and insults by both. That will never change 
. Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on.
You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god and prayer for them and you.
FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
. Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on. You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god
and prayer for them and you.FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
(Which I have been called out for)
Pushback is way,way different than throwing blind reckless punches at a ENTIRE SEGMENT of the body of Christ.
I can Promise you,if I got on some antibaptist campaign I WOULD BE CALLED OUT and outrage rained down on me by most members...rightly so.
And BTW what spirit would be driving me?????
See ,that is the thing.
Those recklessly attacking are operating out of a wounded spirit. They are poisonous.
Their inflicting of pain is cunning. Their operations are from rejection and a seething underlayment of anger and bitterness.
...and they get away with it.
I am pushing back
And yes most all of them are on ignore. I peek from time to time to see if God got a hold of any of them. Nope. Just as vile and cunning in their attacks.
It is a spirit big time
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The gifts are operating.(everyone) Tongues is prophecy the gospel. The new tongue of the believers as prophets sent as apostles .It not seen, faith (Christ's) has the power to cast out demons. We can plant the seed he can cause new growth to be applied to the new tongue. He must increase us decrease.
Why destroy the foundation of the doctrine in Isaiah 28 and as shown fall backward mocking the judging authority of God?
What the hope? Temporal wonderment? Self-edification?
It would seem easy to break just don't make noise without meaning and fall backward mocking God.
Why destroy the foundation of the doctrine in Isaiah 28 and as shown fall backward mocking the judging authority of God?
What the hope? Temporal wonderment? Self-edification?
It would seem easy to break just don't make noise without meaning and fall backward mocking God.
If "tongues" is "the gospel" then why did the Holy Spirit give the gift of interpretation of tongues?
If "tongues" is "the gospel" then why did Peter need to preach the gospel in Acts 2 when everyone had just heard it "in tongues"?
If "tongues" is "the gospel" then why did Cornelius and his companions start speaking it to a room full of people who had just heard it?
If "tongues" is "the gospel" then why did Peter need to preach the gospel in Acts 2 when everyone had just heard it "in tongues"?
If "tongues" is "the gospel" then why did Cornelius and his companions start speaking it to a room full of people who had just heard it?
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Here is Peter speaking:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Notice verse 44, "heard the word, not the Gospel."
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Notice verse 44, "heard the word, not the Gospel."
For one thing repeating a matter does not make it without effect. .We cry out and cry out for His understanding from the power of faith to the same faith. Hearing the gospel again can cause growth.
God gave the interpretation as prophecy. When Peter preached the gospel each man heard the understanding of God not seen.
God whose name is Jealous will not share that glory with corrupted mankind. He not only teaches us and comforts us but he always brings to our minds the things he has taught us. His love is not jealous But does have its conditions.
Cornelius an a apostle sent by God prophesied the words God gave to him. . . to Peter .A Gentile working with a Jew by the mutual faith of one that worked in them both . One bride. Gentile and Jew
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: Acts 10 :34
God gave the interpretation as prophecy. When Peter preached the gospel each man heard the understanding of God not seen.
God whose name is Jealous will not share that glory with corrupted mankind. He not only teaches us and comforts us but he always brings to our minds the things he has taught us. His love is not jealous But does have its conditions.
Cornelius an a apostle sent by God prophesied the words God gave to him. . . to Peter .A Gentile working with a Jew by the mutual faith of one that worked in them both . One bride. Gentile and Jew
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: Acts 10 :34
What is this scripture saying .. To me He was saying ''you don't believe, it's your business and it's on your own head'' and He let it be at that ..
1 And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.
2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
1 And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him.
2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
I have one hope for some who speak evil of things they don't know, don't understand, and haven't experienced. That is this...
A person who has never tasted vanilla ice cream cannot actually speak with verity against the taste of vanilla ice cream...because they're only speaking against the IDEA (personally fabricated false knowledge, not actual knowledge) of the taste of vanilla ice cream.
Saul (eventually the Apostle Paul) caught, tortured and caused the murder of actual Holy Ghost Christians (the speaking in tongues kind... one of which he later became himself). Do you think that in his handling of those first Holy Ghost Christians that he failed to speak against (the idea of) what spirit they claimed to have?
That same Saul, now called Paul, even explains how he was able to receive mercy instead of assured destruction, saying in 1 Timothy 1:12-13 KJV:
And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; [13] Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly [without ACTUAL knowledge] in unbelief.
There are some sins that cannot be committed without first having actually tasted of spiritual things. Just as there are some blessings that are unavailable without first having sin. Such as:
Psalm 32:1-2 KJV
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. [2] Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. <-- Think about it. You are not qualified to receive the blessing of verse 1 unless you first have sin.)
Paul escaped the verdict of "blasphemy of the Holy Ghost" because he was unqualified (by way of lack of actual experience/knowledge) to actually speak against it. As far as I understand it, He could actually only speak against the idea of the Holy Ghost. I think that's a safety measure God put in.
So what that means, by extension, is that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is only available to those who ACTUALLY have the Holy Ghost... and it is currently unavailable to those who only THINK they have the Holy Ghost.... except perhaps if they were to stand in God's presence on judgement day and still claim that they have what they don't have. (Like the guy who lyingly told David that he'd stood on a wounded king Saul to cause his death. The bible says king Saul died in a different way, but the guy was given the punishment worthy of what he'd falsely claimed to have accomplished.)
When someone is actually given the Holy Ghost, it provides a WITNESS (tongues) which makes it manifest that the person actually has received it. (see Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:6, Acts 2:39) The actual recipients cannot lightly (ignorantly) speak against what they've actually been given. They've TASTED, so their words are qualified. (Hebrews 6:4, Romans 1:19,20)
This is rather heavy stuff. I advise a significant amount of prayer and a good grasp on joy before people dive into that topic. It's better to move in a direction towards light, rather than to look deeply into the greatest darkness.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
A person who has never tasted vanilla ice cream cannot actually speak with verity against the taste of vanilla ice cream...because they're only speaking against the IDEA (personally fabricated false knowledge, not actual knowledge) of the taste of vanilla ice cream.
Saul (eventually the Apostle Paul) caught, tortured and caused the murder of actual Holy Ghost Christians (the speaking in tongues kind... one of which he later became himself). Do you think that in his handling of those first Holy Ghost Christians that he failed to speak against (the idea of) what spirit they claimed to have?
That same Saul, now called Paul, even explains how he was able to receive mercy instead of assured destruction, saying in 1 Timothy 1:12-13 KJV:
And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; [13] Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly [without ACTUAL knowledge] in unbelief.
There are some sins that cannot be committed without first having actually tasted of spiritual things. Just as there are some blessings that are unavailable without first having sin. Such as:
Psalm 32:1-2 KJV
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. [2] Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. <-- Think about it. You are not qualified to receive the blessing of verse 1 unless you first have sin.)
Paul escaped the verdict of "blasphemy of the Holy Ghost" because he was unqualified (by way of lack of actual experience/knowledge) to actually speak against it. As far as I understand it, He could actually only speak against the idea of the Holy Ghost. I think that's a safety measure God put in.
So what that means, by extension, is that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is only available to those who ACTUALLY have the Holy Ghost... and it is currently unavailable to those who only THINK they have the Holy Ghost.... except perhaps if they were to stand in God's presence on judgement day and still claim that they have what they don't have. (Like the guy who lyingly told David that he'd stood on a wounded king Saul to cause his death. The bible says king Saul died in a different way, but the guy was given the punishment worthy of what he'd falsely claimed to have accomplished.)
When someone is actually given the Holy Ghost, it provides a WITNESS (tongues) which makes it manifest that the person actually has received it. (see Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:6, Acts 2:39) The actual recipients cannot lightly (ignorantly) speak against what they've actually been given. They've TASTED, so their words are qualified. (Hebrews 6:4, Romans 1:19,20)
This is rather heavy stuff. I advise a significant amount of prayer and a good grasp on joy before people dive into that topic. It's better to move in a direction towards light, rather than to look deeply into the greatest darkness.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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