So what about the fourth commandment?

[Cee]

Try observing it every day! That's a real delight too

C.

First off, I think the context is clear in Ezekiel. Like it or not, this is the "New Covenant" or "New Testament" that Ezekiel is talking about.


I appreciate these questions. (even though my answers will be bombarded shortly afterwards)

1. The only thingI can tell you there, that to knowingly break the 4th commandment is sin.
2. Scripture defines the Sabbath, but here is my attempt. Rest. No unnecessary work. No cooking. No cleaning. No planning for work. No causing anyone else to do non-emergency work. This would cause a limited amount of health care people and police to need to be on duty of course. Fellowship & Bible study is always good. Can you imagine how powerful that would be, if all believers observed it? It would be a huge witness.
3. I think I pretty much answered this in #2.
4. I have been observing the Sabbath for about the last 3 years and it really has been a delight! It does not feel like bondage to me. It feels like liberty.

 

[Grace777x70]

First off, I think the context is clear in Ezekiel. Like it or not, this is the "New Covenant" or "New Testament" that Ezekiel is talking about.


I appreciate these questions. (even though my answers will be bombarded shortly afterwards)

1. The only thingI can tell you there, that to knowingly break the 4th commandment is sin.
2. Scripture defines the Sabbath, but here is my attempt. Rest. No unnecessary work. No cooking. No cleaning. No planning for work. No causing anyone else to do non-emergency work. This would cause a limited amount of health care people and police to need to be on duty of course. Fellowship & Bible study is always good. Can you imagine how powerful that would be, if all believers observed it? It would be a huge witness.
3. I think I pretty much answered this in #2.
4. I have been observing the Sabbath for about the last 3 years and it really has been a delight! It does not feel like bondage to me. It feels like liberty.

What?..so if someone even plans for working on Saturday or cooking - it's a sin? Your religion is not from Christ...sorry but you are severed from the life of Christ operating in your life by your religion but you are free to do whatever you want.

But if you teach this foolishness to other Christians - you can expect people to stand against it because it violates the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 5:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. ( receiving circumcision is like "keeping" any of the laws. )

 

[disciplemike]

Try observing it every day! That's a real delight too

C.

You can't. Here is why.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:8 (KJV)

To declare or keep (guard) something holy, is to sanctify it. It is to set it apart from the others. If all days are the same, then none of them are set apart.

Now, can you pray every day? Do Bible study every day? Worship every day? Sing "Just as I am" every day. Sure you can. However, the Creator made one specific day His (weekly) Sabbath. He told us to guard it and keep it holy. I hope you see what I mean.

 

[disciplemike]

What?..so if someone even plans for working on Saturday or cooking - it's a sin? Your religion is not from Christ...sorry but you are severed from the life of Christ operating in your life by your religion but you are free to do whatever you want.

But if you teach this foolishness to other Christians - you can expect people to stand against it because it violates the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 5:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. ( receiving circumcision is like "keeping" any of the laws. )

That is what you have been taught.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach
[them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19 (KJV)

By the way, here we are not even talking about "one of the least" commandments. The Sabbath is in the top 5!

 

[tanakh]

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:But the seventh day
[is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)

Romans 14 :5

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day regardeth it unto the lord ; and he that regardeth not the day to the Lord he doth not regard it.

 

[KohenMatt]

This is the one commandment that the church has spiritualized and eliminated as a physical act.

It's one I observe and I would say God wants His people to observe.

 

[disciplemike]

Romans 14 :5

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day regardeth it unto the lord ; and he that regardeth not the day to the Lord he doth not regard it.

Context, context, context. Romans 14:1-6 is about what days to fast. That is all. Some of the Pharisees taught that a person should fast on the on the 3rd day and the 5th day. (Tuesday & Thursday). (see Luke 18:12).

 

[badger58]

Try observing it every day! That's a real delight too

C.

I used to keep the Sabbath and the feast days given to Israel. I did so for 10yrs. Being a follower of THE WAY (before the word Christian was designated to believers) is not predicated on these days or about what you eat. I found that the law of Moses promised you physical blessings(rain,good harvest,freedom from sickness and so on) but they did not promise eternal life.
The law of Christ does! When Jesus was being abandoned by most of His followers, Jesus said, looking at the 12: Will you abandon me as well? Peter spoke up:Lord, you have the words of eternal life! Where shall we go?
No, I proved this to myself, the hard way. Rest assured in Jesus. He is our life! His commandment is eternal life. Our covenant with the Father is based on a better law(love) a better priesthood(after the order of Melchizedek)to whom Levi paid a tithe,while still in the loins of Abraham, and predicated on better promises. Look at it like this. We will live eternally, based on the fact that God in His mercy does not keep a record of how we broke His perfect law....feed the poor, look after the widow, be just and fair in your business dealings and walk humbly with your creator. This is the Law, this is THE TRUE RELIGION, by which we will enter His rest. Love in Christ!

 

[badger58]

Context, context, context. Romans 14:1-6 is about what days to fast. That is all. Some of the Pharisees taught that a person should fast on the on the 3rd day and the 5th day. (Tuesday & Thursday). (see Luke 18:12).

I grew up with the Sabbath and the holy days, just trusting what the minister said about these issues. Ignorance is bliss! When I finally got a few years of bible study under my belt, I began seeing the conflict between the old covenant and the new covenant.
How is this taken out of context?
You are mistaken my friend. I feel for you: I've been in your shoes!
To many mental gymnastics are required to hold to your position. When you come out of legalisms' you and find the truth(Jesus)
You will finally know what Jesus was saying when He said: The truth will set you free, then you will will be FREE IN DEED!

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[KohenMatt]

I used to keep the Sabbath and the feast days given to Israel. I did so for 10yrs. Being a follower of THE WAY (before the word Christian was designated to believers) is not predicated on these days or about what you eat. I found that the law of Moses promised you physical blessings(rain,good harvest,freedom from sickness and so on) but they did not promise eternal life.
The law of Christ does! When Jesus was being abandoned by most of His followers, Jesus said, looking at the 12: Will you abandon me as well? Peter spoke up:Lord, you have the words of eternal life! Where shall we go?
No, I proved this to myself, the hard way. Rest assured in Jesus. He is our life! His commandment is eternal life. Our covenant with the Father is based on a better law(love) a better priesthood(after the order of Melchizedek)to whom Levi paid a tithe,while still in the loins of Abraham, and predicated on better promises. Look at it like this. We will live eternally, based on the fact that God in His mercy does not keep a record of how we broke His perfect law....feed the poor, look after the widow, be just and fair in your business dealings and walk humbly with your creator. This is the Law, this is THE TRUE RELIGION, by which we will enter His rest. Love in Christ!

The purpose of the Law was not intended to promise eternal life. That is what Jesus did.

The Law was intended to serve a different purpose. If we understand what it was intended to do, observance of it (including the Sabbath) makes perfect sense.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The purpose of the Law was not intended to promise eternal life. That is what Jesus did.

The Law was intended to serve a different purpose. If we understand what it was intended to do, observance of it (including the Sabbath) makes perfect sense.

Bicycle training wheels...

 

[badger58]

Bicycle training wheels...

I have always used these metaphors to describe the purpose of the law.

Like learning your ABC's when you were a child. Now that we have learned them, we can go on to read and write. It does not mean that there was anything wrong with the ABC's. But now like Paul states: We put away childish things. We have gone onto
Perfection(Christ).
Isn't it clear?
Peace

 

[badger58]

The purpose of the Law was not intended to promise eternal life. That is what Jesus did.

The Law was intended to serve a different purpose. If we understand what it was intended to do, observance of it (including the Sabbath) makes perfect sense.

All the philosophy, all the relion, all the science means nothing to me. With Paul we give this testimony: We count all these things as garbage. Eternal life is the gold ring, and it is only attained through Christ.

Berean Literal Bible
And I know that His commandment is eternal life. Therefore what I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak."

 

[disciplemike]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

No gymnastics needed here. Maybe a little context would help though.
I will drop some knowledge on you, and let's see what you do with it.

Let no man judge you "therefore".
The "therefore" is linking verse 16 to the previous passage.
Now, back up to verse 8.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:8 (KJV)

"vain deceit, after the tradition of men", "after the rudiments of the world", and NOT after Meshiach.
Now, does that sound like Shaul is talking about the law of God? I don't think so.
In fact, Shaul is telling the new believers at Colossae to "let no man judge you" because you ARE observing the dietary laws and the Holy Days of God. Now that is context.
Of course these Holy Days are a shadow of things to come for the body of Meshiach. Here is a clue. The Messiah was crucified on Pesach (Passover). He was placed in the tomb at the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. He arose on Firstfuits. Weeks later, the Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit) descended on believers at Shavuot (Pentecost). Now tell me friend, do you think the Holy Days of God might be important??

 

[KohenMatt]

All the philosophy, all the relion, all the science means nothing to me. With Paul we give this testimony: We count all these things as garbage. Eternal life is the gold ring, and it is only attained through Christ.

Berean Literal Bible
And I know that His commandment is eternal life. Therefore what I speak, as the Father has said to Me, so I speak."

While eternal life is the end all be all, there is a lot to be done here on earth and in our relationship with and ministry to God. That is what the Law can help us do.

 

[KohenMatt]

I have always used these metaphors to describe the purpose of the law.

Like learning your ABC's when you were a child. Now that we have learned them, we can go on to read and write. It does not mean that there was anything wrong with the ABC's. But now like Paul states: We put away childish things. We have gone onto
Perfection(Christ).
Isn't it clear?
Peace

Do you still use the ABC's?
Are they still apart of your daily life?
Are they still applicable and valid in just about everything you do?

 

[abcdef]

First off, I think the context is clear in Ezekiel. Like it or not, this is the "New Covenant" or "New Testament" that Ezekiel is talking about.


I appreciate these questions. (even though my answers will be bombarded shortly afterwards)

1. The only thingI can tell you there, that to knowingly break the 4th commandment is sin.
2. Scripture defines the Sabbath, but here is my attempt. Rest. No unnecessary work. No cooking. No cleaning. No planning for work. No causing anyone else to do non-emergency work. This would cause a limited amount of health care people and police to need to be on duty of course. Fellowship & Bible study is always good. Can you imagine how powerful that would be, if all believers observed it? It would be a huge witness.
3. I think I pretty much answered this in #2.
4. I have been observing the Sabbath for about the last 3 years and it really has been a delight! It does not feel like bondage to me. It feels like liberty.

Gal 2:21, "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Gal 3:11, "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith. 12, And the law is not of faith:......"

 

[disciplemike]

Gal 2:21, "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Gal 3:11, "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith. 12, And the law is not of faith:......"

The law is not of faith. This is absolutely correct. Here is why. There was never a promise made, that if a man could keep the law perfectly that his reward would be eternal life. There was no promise of salvation by the law to have faith in!
If you continue reading chapter 3, the promise came through Abraham. So there we can have "faith" that God will keep His promise, just like Abraham did.
Again, the law is instructions for God's people. The law has no promise of eternal salvation. But if you are in Meshiach, then you are "heirs according to the promise". See how that works?

 

[abcdef]

The law is not of faith. This is absolutely correct. Here is why. There was never a promise made, that if a man could keep the law perfectly that his reward would be eternal life. There was no promise of salvation by the law to have faith in!
If you continue reading chapter 3, the promise came through Abraham. So there we can have "faith" that God will keep His promise, just like Abraham did.
Again, the law is instructions for God's people. The law has no promise of eternal salvation. But if you are in Meshiach, then you are "heirs according to the promise". See how that works?

Gal 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,"

Gal 3:23, "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed."

Gal 3:25, "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

 

[disciplemike]

Gal 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,"

Gal 3:23, "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterward be revealed."

Gal 3:25, "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Wherefore then
[serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one. [Is] the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. Galatians 3:19-21 (KJV)

v19. What law was added because of transgression? The sacrificial system carried out by the Levitical priesthood.
Now, of course, when Messiah offered Himself as the Ultimate, Perfect, Flawless Lamb of God, the sacrificial system of the Levitical priesthood was no longer in effect. The sacrifices of bulls & goats were basically a sin bandaid, to bring us to Meshiac! But does that mean the law is against the promises of God? God forbid.