So what about the fourth commandment?
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Scripture states that when we were crucified with Christ, we died to the law. The Holy Spirit used a very good illustration of this through Paul:
"Do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? or instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law and is not an adulteress, even if she marries another man. Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.
In the example above, the husband is representing the law of Moses and the wife is representing the believer in Christ. Through the believers being crucified with Christ, we have have died to the law and are no longer bound to that marriage. I believe that the following should really end this whole argument:
The Claim:
"But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses.” So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter."
The Answer:
"After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days, God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for he cleansed their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
So, the claim by those who were of the Pharisee group were claiming that the Gentile believers must be circumcised and made to obey the law of Moses, which would include the entire law. Peter then refers back to when he was sent to Cornelius' household to hear the gospel. While he was still speaking the Holy Spirit fell on all of them speaking in languages and prophesying and this without being under the law, without works and without being baptized. They were all saved by believing what Peter was telling them about salvation by faith in Christ and nothing else.
The yoke that Peter mentions that neither he nor his ancestors were able to bear is the law of Moses. Now to be clear and for the purpose of those opposed, not being under the law does not mean that we have free reign to sin. It means that we are under a covenant of salvation by grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ and not a covenant of our own efforts by the works of the law. We are walk in Christ and are lead by the Spirit. God credited Abraham with righteousness because he believed God's promise. And He told Abraham that he would make him a father of many nations. We are those spiritual children of Abraham having the same faith. Abraham was credited with righteousness without performing any works and before being circumcised. It was by pure faith that he was credited with righteousness and we are credited with righteousness in the same way when we believe that Christ provided salvation for us by His shed blood.
"Do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? or instance, a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law and is not an adulteress, even if she marries another man. Therefore, my brothers, you also died to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.
In the example above, the husband is representing the law of Moses and the wife is representing the believer in Christ. Through the believers being crucified with Christ, we have have died to the law and are no longer bound to that marriage. I believe that the following should really end this whole argument:
The Claim:
"But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses.” So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter."
The Answer:
"After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days, God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for he cleansed their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
So, the claim by those who were of the Pharisee group were claiming that the Gentile believers must be circumcised and made to obey the law of Moses, which would include the entire law. Peter then refers back to when he was sent to Cornelius' household to hear the gospel. While he was still speaking the Holy Spirit fell on all of them speaking in languages and prophesying and this without being under the law, without works and without being baptized. They were all saved by believing what Peter was telling them about salvation by faith in Christ and nothing else.
The yoke that Peter mentions that neither he nor his ancestors were able to bear is the law of Moses. Now to be clear and for the purpose of those opposed, not being under the law does not mean that we have free reign to sin. It means that we are under a covenant of salvation by grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ and not a covenant of our own efforts by the works of the law. We are walk in Christ and are lead by the Spirit. God credited Abraham with righteousness because he believed God's promise. And He told Abraham that he would make him a father of many nations. We are those spiritual children of Abraham having the same faith. Abraham was credited with righteousness without performing any works and before being circumcised. It was by pure faith that he was credited with righteousness and we are credited with righteousness in the same way when we believe that Christ provided salvation for us by His shed blood.
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Read it in context … Who was Paul talking to and why.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
People were teaching things that were not after Christ (deceit).
People were teaching them that they needed to be circumcised and needed to keep all the laws to be saved, the handwriting of ordinance. Saved by works and man’s traditions.
First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All these were actually separate laws that God gave for the physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people; these were called ceremonial laws.
Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it”
Moreover, to show that he had something other than the weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,” plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word “sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
People were teaching things that were not after Christ (deceit).
People were teaching them that they needed to be circumcised and needed to keep all the laws to be saved, the handwriting of ordinance. Saved by works and man’s traditions.
First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All these were actually separate laws that God gave for the physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people; these were called ceremonial laws.
Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it”
Moreover, to show that he had something other than the weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,” plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word “sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)
We have become dead to the law we are no longer held to the death penalty of the law. The laws requirements were fully fulfilled by Christ for us. Do we than make void the law through grace? Do i go around killing and stealing because we are free from the law. God forbid.
The law is love and we can keep it for two reasons, to be saved or because we are saved. If i love to follow Gods principles of love and obey them because i love God i'm not a pharisee.
The law is love and we can keep it for two reasons, to be saved or because we are saved. If i love to follow Gods principles of love and obey them because i love God i'm not a pharisee.
Okay, this statement is straight from the Adversary, and it has been taught in churches for years. It is like saying it was a contest, and since jesus beat the contest, the contest is over. That is just not scriptural. Fulfill does not mean destroy or delete.
Are real believers under the law for salvation? no, because there is no promise in scripture anywhere that says, "if you keep all the laws perfectly, then your reward is eternal life". Search for it. It is not there. Eternal salvation is not a prize for keeping the law. However, by God's instructions is how God's people are suppose to live.
Are real believers under the law for salvation? no, because there is no promise in scripture anywhere that says, "if you keep all the laws perfectly, then your reward is eternal life". Search for it. It is not there. Eternal salvation is not a prize for keeping the law. However, by God's instructions is how God's people are suppose to live.
Sin freely ? Where did you get that from? Is that your answer to what was restored according to the first century reformation? Are you not allowed to talk about what was reformed?
Its not sin freely... but free from the wage of sin, eternal damnation.To violate at any point is to be found guilty of violating the whole law.
Are you a sinner or do you not need Christ's work of faith according to His labor of love ?
Its not sin freely... but free from the wage of sin, eternal damnation.To violate at any point is to be found guilty of violating the whole law.
Are you a sinner or do you not need Christ's work of faith according to His labor of love ?
Knowledge does not save us. It can puff up oneself with false pride by pretending it came from us as if we were in the place of God.. In fact it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come.
If they think keeping a ceremonial law like the Sabbath or one of the eating laws. They would show themselves as those who crucify the Lord of glory over and over as if he had not come in the flesh as part of the first century reformation. Better things accompany salvation things like actual redemption to those who know there is no work they could do to get themselves saved or keep their salvation.
Its hyper grace for every believer .It’s the only kind of grace he freely gives with no cost on our behalf.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Is ham (pork) and cheese a rudiment of this world ? Christ told Peter eat. Why did Peter say not Kohsier, was he keeping the law?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 2:17
All of God’s laws are good. The whole Bible is the perfect law of God’s interpretation to us. There are no philosophical theories’ as private interpretations of men.
So when you say laws. The ceremonial laws that have been fulfilled during the reformation?
Those are the kind of laws by which we are not to judge one another because they have been fulfilled. As far as murder it has the same penalty eternal damnation as any other moral law . To violate the least is to be found guilty of the whole . Have you ever sinned?
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. Jam 2:10
Well. That is exactly the truth. Because those who have been washed know they have been washed. Therefore do not need for any man to judge them.
Because. Unless one has been washed by the One who washes and makes clean what apart from Him washing is unclean before God...he/she is unclean
And if he has been washed no man has a right to call unclean what God has made clean
if Christ does not wash us we have no part with Him
Because. Unless one has been washed by the One who washes and makes clean what apart from Him washing is unclean before God...he/she is unclean
And if he has been washed no man has a right to call unclean what God has made clean
if Christ does not wash us we have no part with Him
No one has...but you.
You are accusing your brother/sister of not setting aside a day to celebrate the Lord's Passover?
Remember....The Sabbath was made for man...and since HE IS The LORD of The Sabbath, HE has the right to direct the members of HIS BODY (whom HE has washed by HIS BLOOD) as HE chooses...
Further, those who have been circumcised by the TRUE CIRCUMCISION, (that covenanted mark) made on the fleshly inner tablets of the man's heart by the FINGER of GOD HIMSELF, know they have been circumcised and know they have entered into HIS REST...
Isn't celebrating and coming together to eat the Lord's Passover, THE UNLEAVENED, UNADULTERATED BREAD which came by GOD (that has no man's additives in it) what we are called to do?
And what day should we do this on?
The day one sets apart as HOLY to come together with one another and honor and celebrate all that GOD has done for us by "HIS STRONG ARM OF SALVATION"...
You are accusing your brother/sister of not setting aside a day to celebrate the Lord's Passover?
Remember....The Sabbath was made for man...and since HE IS The LORD of The Sabbath, HE has the right to direct the members of HIS BODY (whom HE has washed by HIS BLOOD) as HE chooses...
Further, those who have been circumcised by the TRUE CIRCUMCISION, (that covenanted mark) made on the fleshly inner tablets of the man's heart by the FINGER of GOD HIMSELF, know they have been circumcised and know they have entered into HIS REST...
Isn't celebrating and coming together to eat the Lord's Passover, THE UNLEAVENED, UNADULTERATED BREAD which came by GOD (that has no man's additives in it) what we are called to do?
And what day should we do this on?
The day one sets apart as HOLY to come together with one another and honor and celebrate all that GOD has done for us by "HIS STRONG ARM OF SALVATION"...
Peculiar?
Yes, indeed we will be accused by those who do not understand as being a Peculiar people.
But that was for a particular purpose.
To keep ourselves set apart (didn't mean to avoid those who were "unclean" and "uncircumcised") so as to be a light to all men that they might come to know of GOD'S SALVATION in, by and through the ONE who is the ONE and ONLY TRUE LIGHT which lighteth all men.
The Jew was set apart to be a light to all men.
But, instead of setting themselves apart they adopted the customs of all the nations around them, and the LIGHT and TRUTH was muffled...
Not only that, they were once "aliens" themselves but when GOD heard their cries (of oppression by their fellow brothers and sisters, since we are members of ONE SPECIES, sir) GOD took them out by HIS STRONG arm of salvation and made a distinction between them and "pharoah's flock"...
But they were told, even then, not to treat an 'alien" as an "alien"....that ANYONE who wished to celebrate the PASSOVER needed to be "circumcised"...
Instead of teaching those who did not know GOD, they separated themselves from those who needed THE LIGHT.
That isn't the WORK of GOD...because of that GOD'S NAME was not clearly made manifest.
Which is why CHRIST came to MANIFEST the FATHER and be THE LIGHT for all men that they may come to know GOD and worship HIM...in by and through THE SON.
For there TRULY is NO OTHER WAY...and NO ONE can come to the FATHER except through in and by THE SON, who is THE LORD of THE SABBATH and OUR SALVATION.
You sir, can't wash or circumcise anyone.
But you can point them to the ONE who can and does.
Which is what we were called to do.
To be HIS WITNESSES, pointing men to GOD'S SALVATION in, by and through HIM...
Yes, indeed we will be accused by those who do not understand as being a Peculiar people.
But that was for a particular purpose.
To keep ourselves set apart (didn't mean to avoid those who were "unclean" and "uncircumcised") so as to be a light to all men that they might come to know of GOD'S SALVATION in, by and through the ONE who is the ONE and ONLY TRUE LIGHT which lighteth all men.
The Jew was set apart to be a light to all men.
But, instead of setting themselves apart they adopted the customs of all the nations around them, and the LIGHT and TRUTH was muffled...
Not only that, they were once "aliens" themselves but when GOD heard their cries (of oppression by their fellow brothers and sisters, since we are members of ONE SPECIES, sir) GOD took them out by HIS STRONG arm of salvation and made a distinction between them and "pharoah's flock"...
But they were told, even then, not to treat an 'alien" as an "alien"....that ANYONE who wished to celebrate the PASSOVER needed to be "circumcised"...
Instead of teaching those who did not know GOD, they separated themselves from those who needed THE LIGHT.
That isn't the WORK of GOD...because of that GOD'S NAME was not clearly made manifest.
Which is why CHRIST came to MANIFEST the FATHER and be THE LIGHT for all men that they may come to know GOD and worship HIM...in by and through THE SON.
For there TRULY is NO OTHER WAY...and NO ONE can come to the FATHER except through in and by THE SON, who is THE LORD of THE SABBATH and OUR SALVATION.
You sir, can't wash or circumcise anyone.
But you can point them to the ONE who can and does.
Which is what we were called to do.
To be HIS WITNESSES, pointing men to GOD'S SALVATION in, by and through HIM...