So what about the fourth commandment?

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If I understand you right, in your view 'the whole law' for us is the ten commandments.

how then can the ten commandments be fulfilled in one word? why is it ten when it could be just one?
What the 10 do for me is to give me more DETAIL just HOW to love God and neighbour. If it was not for GOD telling me HOW to LOVE i would only have my own opinions to go on....something God tells us not to lean on !
 

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Did Jesus not keep the laws perfectly all the days of his life?
Yes Jesus kept the law perfectly? He was sinless.

I've asked this question before. Anyone can answer, are you a sinner in need of salvation? What makes you a sinner today?
 

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I believe it says "do no work". working at a power plant, driving a tow-truck, I believe those would be work.
You are not taking into account that the human society has built up 'it's own systems over hundreds and thousands of years IGNORING what God wanted ! consequently we are now in a state/condition that lives ANTI-God and can in no way be turned 'in an instant.....hence God saying we (can only) worship Him in Spirit now. It takes time to make major changes, much much time...just as it took time for man to come to this 'godless age !
 

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The fact that "all have sinned" means we all need salvation from sin.
If we are sinners today, what makes us sinners, what is sin?

A law, principle, standard, or code must define sin and it must still exist today because we are still sinning today.

If the law that defines sin was "done away with" at the cross why are we still sinners today?
 

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So if a nurse is keeping the Sabbath holy and sees someone in a car wreck in front of their house, they shouldn't render aide according to your interpretation?
Most people see the word 'work' and treat it as a 'four-letter word to be avoided....
not differentiating between 'good works we are allowed and other work we can do at other times. Not all work we do on the Sabbath is strictly necessary, we just slipped into doing what we want...bad habit !
 

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To know what sin is God gave us the law.
Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

The law is here today because sin is present today.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom_5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Because of Jesus and His perfect obedience I can have faith in His grace and be free from the guilt of sin.
 

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The fact that "all have sinned" means we all need salvation from sin.
If we are sinners today, what makes us sinners, what is sin?

A law, principle, standard, or code must define sin and it must still exist today because we are still sinning today.

If the law that defines sin was "done away with" at the cross why are we still sinners today?
Well exactly, and the answer would seem to be very obvious....IF people could see and hear !

'Transgressing the law/commandments makes us sinners ! stop transgressing/breaking what God holds dear and we become 'accepted in the Beloved !!!
 
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I use to think that as well. But the Sabbath is not about laws or rules, its about remembering the Creator. As the old saying goes, your should always look at both sides of a coin. The Sabbath is so much more then just one of the commandments, even thought its the only one that's says Remember. Sadly a lot of people don't like to study for themselves but would rather follow the crowed. For me Sabbath has nothing to do with trying to earn salvation, because salvation is a gift, just as the Sabbath is also a gift.
 
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The Christian is dead to the Law SO THAT they could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

Paul said that death reigned for those that didn't sin after the same manner as Adam because sin entered the world. The law is NOT for the righteous. It is for the unrighteous. We who are in Christ are made to be His righteousness.

Until we believers understand Christ's work on the cross and resurrection - we will still be trying to fulfill the law by our own flesh and self-efforts. In fact we are in Christ now and it is His life that saves us - NOT law keeping.

We don't meditate on the law of Moses to do what it says now in the New Covenant. We let the word of Christ richly well within us as Paul said in Col 3:16. Christ has fulfilled the whole law. The law is a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself.

It's time for Christians to view the law of Moses for it's purpose and to embrace the finished work of Christ so that we can finally begin to grow up in Him.
 
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in reading this morning, I noticed in Ezekiel 20, God calls them "My Sabbaths" six times.
why do people have a problem with His Sabbaths?
something strange going on.
 
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Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:But the seventh day
[is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

John 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;


1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

[is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)

But the seventh day

​I am under the influence that we are required to to be holy 7 days a week.
 
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Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

John 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;


1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

[is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)

But the seventh day

​I am under the influence that we are required to to be holy 7 days a week.
I appreciate the thought. It sounds nice and churchy, but it is illogical captain.
if all 7 days are the same (common), then none of them are sanctified as holy.
it doesn't work like that.
God chose the 7th day.
 
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I appreciate the thought. It sounds nice and churchy, but it is illogical captain.
if all 7 days are the same (common), then none of them are sanctified as holy.
it doesn't work like that.
God chose the 7th day.
In the beginning of creation when there was no sin and before the 7th day was created which day of the week do you say was unholy to God?
 
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In the beginning of creation when there was no sin and before the 7th day was created which day of the week do you say was unholy to God?
I think you are looking at it wrong.
He is not saying to sin for 6 days and then have a special no-sin day on the seventh. That is not what it is about.

God set apart the 7th day as a special day. It is not like the other 6. It is the only day He gave a name. Why would any believer not want to honor the day that God set apart as special?
 
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I think you are looking at it wrong.
He is not saying to sin for 6 days and then have a special no-sin day on the seventh. That is not what it is about.

God set apart the 7th day as a special day. It is not like the other 6. It is the only day He gave a name. Why would any believer not want to honor the day that God set apart as special?
In the beginning of creation when there was no sin and before the 7th day was created which day of the week do you say was unholy to God?

This is the question you must address before we can go forward.
 

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in reading this morning, I noticed in Ezekiel 20, God calls them "My Sabbaths" six times.
why do people have a problem with His Sabbaths?
something strange going on.
It's because people see them as 'jewish -
failing to appreciate the fact that only the JEWS have kept GOD's Sabbath - however imperfect.

Christians who have never kept it have nothing to be proud of...forgetting it is made for MAN and not Jews only !
 
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In the beginning of creation when there was no sin and before the 7th day was created which day of the week do you say was unholy to God?

This is the question you must address before we can go forward.
Day 1,3,4,5 & 6, God calls good. It is not that there was bad things on these days. No one said there was something un-holy about these days. As a matter of fact, the word "holy" is not even used in the Book of Genesis (KJV).

However, He BLESSED the 7th day, and sanctified it.
The Hebrew word is (kaw-dash') v *important to note, it is a verb.
- Definition:1. to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate a. (Qal) 1. to be set apart, be consecrated

I hope this helps.
 
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Day 1,3,4,5 & 6, God calls good. It is not that there was bad things on these days. No one said there was something un-holy about these days. As a matter of fact, the word "holy" is not even used in the Book of Genesis (KJV).

However, He BLESSED the 7th day, and sanctified it.
The Hebrew word is (kaw-dash') v *important to note, it is a verb.
- Definition:1. to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate a. (Qal) 1. to be set apart, be consecrated

I hope this helps.
This sounds like the temple of God.

- Definition:1. to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate a. (Qal) 1. to be set apart, be consecrated

Are you a temple of God?
 

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Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

John 6:27
Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;


1 Peter 1:16
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

[is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV)

But the seventh day

​I am under the influence that we are required to to be holy 7 days a week.
Let's just see you honour that one day first before claiming holyness every day !
Learn to walk before you can run !