Something is really really wrong?
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K
Some of this hinges on the meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words.
Messed up the world: Gen. 3:17, Luke 4:6 (world been delivered to Satan), Rom 8:19-23.
Would have died anyway: Gen 6:3, this is not dependent on the sin. It is a statement of fact that His spirit cannot remain forever in flesh.
Die of death: Gen. 2:17 is the first. The interpretation depends on the meaning of "Mot"
Cannot do God's will as we see it: end of Rom. 7
The rest I think are summary of these. Let me know if you don't agree.
Messed up the world: Gen. 3:17, Luke 4:6 (world been delivered to Satan), Rom 8:19-23.
Would have died anyway: Gen 6:3, this is not dependent on the sin. It is a statement of fact that His spirit cannot remain forever in flesh.
Die of death: Gen. 2:17 is the first. The interpretation depends on the meaning of "Mot"
Cannot do God's will as we see it: end of Rom. 7
The rest I think are summary of these. Let me know if you don't agree.
K
Gen 2:21, Adam had flesh before the sin. Gen. 6:3, the spirit does not remain forever in man because he is also flesh. Adam was flesh, so the spirit could not remain forever. If you call that dying, Adam would have died. Notice I said it's not exactly what we call dying.
A spirit left their bodies. I cannot show the soul. I doubt their bodies are anywhere by now, since they did in fact die.
I Cor. 15:52 says we shall ALL be raised, incorruptible.
A spirit left their bodies. I cannot show the soul. I doubt their bodies are anywhere by now, since they did in fact die.
I Cor. 15:52 says we shall ALL be raised, incorruptible.
I don't think the bible talks of the fate of Adam and Eve, specifically.
We have hope of eternal life and salvation from the Lord Jesus Christ. I haven't read anything in the Bible that says Adam and Eve don't have this. But I haven't read anything that says they have it, either. I guess like lots of important things we just have to wait and see.
We have hope of eternal life and salvation from the Lord Jesus Christ. I haven't read anything in the Bible that says Adam and Eve don't have this. But I haven't read anything that says they have it, either. I guess like lots of important things we just have to wait and see.
U
There can be difference between punishment and consequence. Adam and Eve's choices had consequences. They sinned. Their sin affected not only themselves, but, just like a normal parent/child relationship, it affected their children too. Not only were 'bad genes' so to speak, passed down, but the imperfection in them and how they made mistakes in raising their children and the effects that has on them, was passed down as well. And those children passed the same down to their children. That's not punishment.
Do you believe when a person is under sentence of death from God, he will bring them back to life? Satan, and his demons are under sentence of death from God...will he bring them back, or any other who he sentenced to death?
Don't you think if he did, we would have the same problems we have today. It's like saying, "Hay guys, we gan do whatever we want, God will bring us back."
What do you think.
Don't you think if he did, we would have the same problems we have today. It's like saying, "Hay guys, we gan do whatever we want, God will bring us back."
What do you think.
You said:
"There can be difference between punishment and consequence. Adam and Eve's choices had consequences. They sinned. Their sin affected not only themselves, but, just like a normal parent/child relationship, it affected their children too. Not only were 'bad genes' so to speak, passed down, but the imperfection in them and how they made mistakes in raising their children and the effects that has on them, was passed down as well. And those children passed the same down to their children. That's not punishment.
Thank you. Will you back that theory with scripture for me...thank you.
"There can be difference between punishment and consequence. Adam and Eve's choices had consequences. They sinned. Their sin affected not only themselves, but, just like a normal parent/child relationship, it affected their children too. Not only were 'bad genes' so to speak, passed down, but the imperfection in them and how they made mistakes in raising their children and the effects that has on them, was passed down as well. And those children passed the same down to their children. That's not punishment.
Thank you. Will you back that theory with scripture for me...thank you.