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Then.... the ultimate truth is already known.:
I have seen Christians tear each down and apart over doctrine and theology whether it be creation stances, the hell doctrine, the trinity, eternal security etc Each person beating their chest with their own version of 'truth'
I'm all for thoughtful discussion, God gave us a mind and a mouth to use them but when it's done in self righteousness or arrogance then it doesn't even matter if you're right, you've already lost.
When we start questioning others salvation, their faith, if they are 'true' christians by our version of acceptable theology then we are causing division within the body of Christ. More so than the bloke who thinks a bit differently to us.
Scripture tells us that the measure we use to judge others is the measure that will be used in our judgment. If we are quick to slander and put down a brother or sister based on understanding or interpretation of scripture, we wanna make sure we have it perfectly sorted ourselves as we just may find that harsh judgement and measure falls on us.
Then.... the ultimate truth is already known.:
I have seen Christians tear each down and apart over doctrine and theology whether it be creation stances, the hell doctrine, the trinity, eternal security etc Each person beating their chest with their own version of 'truth'
I'm all for thoughtful discussion, God gave us a mind and a mouth to use them but when it's done in self righteousness or arrogance then it doesn't even matter if you're right, you've already lost.
When we start questioning others salvation, their faith, if they are 'true' christians by our version of acceptable theology then we are causing division within the body of Christ. More so than the bloke who thinks a bit differently to us.
Scripture tells us that the measure we use to judge others is the measure that will be used in our judgment. If we are quick to slander and put down a brother or sister based on understanding or interpretation of scripture, we wanna make sure we have it perfectly sorted ourselves as we just may find that harsh judgement and measure falls on us.
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I agree..
...the sense I got from Jason's OP is that he was against the "way" we can sometimes squabble...like in name calling....attacking them personally ....being filled with malice and slandering people..etc...I'm all for Pharisee and judaizer slaying with the Word of God....we need to content for "the faith"...the faith being the pure gospel of the grace of Christ and what He has accomplished for us by grace through faith alone....no additives...no insecticides ...and no pesticides
...the sense I got from Jason's OP is that he was against the "way" we can sometimes squabble...like in name calling....attacking them personally ....being filled with malice and slandering people..etc...I'm all for Pharisee and judaizer slaying with the Word of God....we need to content for "the faith"...the faith being the pure gospel of the grace of Christ and what He has accomplished for us by grace through faith alone....no additives...no insecticides ...and no pesticides
Here's a reason why His word must be presented and often.
For MANY shall come in My name, saying, 'I, Jesus, am the Christ,' but they twist His word for their own financial gain thereby DECEIVING many. Matt.24:5
The Lord looked down....to see if there were any that did understand, and (actually) seek God, (instead of just gorging on the commandments of men).
THEY ARE ALL GONE ASIDE FROM THE TRUTH, they all (heb) STINK. Have all the workers (pastors) of lawlessness no knowledge (of NT truth) who eat up My people as bread, (for fun and profit) and seek not God? Psalm 14:2
Write these things for the LAST HOUR. This will be a rebellious 'church' who will not hear My NT word.
Which say to the TRUE seers 'see not', and to the TRUE prophets 'prophesy not unto us the truth, but tickle our ears with smooth lies,'
and they say unto the TRUE SHEPHERDS, 'if you won't COMPROMISE God's word, get out of here, leave us to our own devises, take your Jesus and begone.' Isaiah 30:8. Folks, this is what the 'church' has defaulted to.
Jesus, your straying sheep still talk about you in the 'church buildings,' saying one to another, 'hear the word of the Lord.'
And they come and sit in the pews before You Jesus to hear Your words, not all Your words, just the cherry picked, but they will not do Your whole council, and with their mouths filled with Your praises, but their hearts are far from You.
Jesus, You are as one who sings a pretty song and they hear the words of Your song, but refuse to do them. Ezekiel 33:30
Expounded.
For MANY shall come in My name, saying, 'I, Jesus, am the Christ,' but they twist His word for their own financial gain thereby DECEIVING many. Matt.24:5
The Lord looked down....to see if there were any that did understand, and (actually) seek God, (instead of just gorging on the commandments of men).
THEY ARE ALL GONE ASIDE FROM THE TRUTH, they all (heb) STINK. Have all the workers (pastors) of lawlessness no knowledge (of NT truth) who eat up My people as bread, (for fun and profit) and seek not God? Psalm 14:2
Write these things for the LAST HOUR. This will be a rebellious 'church' who will not hear My NT word.
Which say to the TRUE seers 'see not', and to the TRUE prophets 'prophesy not unto us the truth, but tickle our ears with smooth lies,'
and they say unto the TRUE SHEPHERDS, 'if you won't COMPROMISE God's word, get out of here, leave us to our own devises, take your Jesus and begone.' Isaiah 30:8. Folks, this is what the 'church' has defaulted to.
Jesus, your straying sheep still talk about you in the 'church buildings,' saying one to another, 'hear the word of the Lord.'
And they come and sit in the pews before You Jesus to hear Your words, not all Your words, just the cherry picked, but they will not do Your whole council, and with their mouths filled with Your praises, but their hearts are far from You.
Jesus, You are as one who sings a pretty song and they hear the words of Your song, but refuse to do them. Ezekiel 33:30
Expounded.
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I agree with your post.
I would just elaborate on one thing in your statement ... we are not trying to "slay the pharisee" ... but the false doctrine that he shares.
God wants all men to come to the truth ~
I think the distinction is important because if we go into battle with the wrong mindset it WILL affect our fight.
I would just elaborate on one thing in your statement ... we are not trying to "slay the pharisee" ... but the false doctrine that he shares.
God wants all men to come to the truth ~
I think the distinction is important because if we go into battle with the wrong mindset it WILL affect our fight.
Someone spoke smooth things with gentleness? Jesus went through the church of Jerusalem throwing the money tables over. How gentle was that?
Satan spoke to Hawwa(Eve) in sweet gentle persuasions. He wasn't overbearing at all. How did that work out? It's TRUTH THAT MUST PREVAIL, sometimes forcibly with a rebellious crowd.
Satan spoke to Hawwa(Eve) in sweet gentle persuasions. He wasn't overbearing at all. How did that work out? It's TRUTH THAT MUST PREVAIL, sometimes forcibly with a rebellious crowd.
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Hmm well it did sound informative at first then it sunk in, rank n rave exit stage left. (If I don't see y'all again) gave it away. Few other key words (my world) Can be a issue shouldn't it be our world? I'm guilty of this stinking thinking concept to, so I do understand were your coming from but its probably better to be quick to except slow to condemn is not a easy thing to do I agree on that something I'm working on sorry.
(If your Christianity is in words it's useless) huh really sorry for me this doesn't even make sense, though the typo (everythong) was kind of weird just saying its about words too no doubt, I try and proof read my statements but I do know every now in then afew slip thru I'm not harping on you just saying
(Everyone thinks they know the truth) your just like us Welcome because I think lol..a truth statement can be found along side a non truth statement probably every time it happens and vice versa.
(I emplore you to examine yourself) man I've done to much of that in my life and I'm sure a lot of people have, we as a people are our own worst examiners. im not trying to be mean or anything but I feel as my inteligents is being toyed with in the thread because of disgruntlness and disapproval of how people act as your physical eyes see the world and not seeing the world also from the spiritual eyes too for both go hand n hand.
I'm sorry if this seems harsh but apart of me feels as if the wool is being pulled over peoples eyes telling people all the do's and don'ts before slipping in the words I got to go hope I see ya'll again. It's better to just get to the point then trying to sugar coat words with eye candy wording it rarely works that way.
I wish you well on your journeys if I don't see you again
(If your Christianity is in words it's useless) huh really sorry for me this doesn't even make sense, though the typo (everythong) was kind of weird just saying its about words too no doubt, I try and proof read my statements but I do know every now in then afew slip thru I'm not harping on you just saying
(Everyone thinks they know the truth) your just like us Welcome because I think lol..a truth statement can be found along side a non truth statement probably every time it happens and vice versa.
(I emplore you to examine yourself) man I've done to much of that in my life and I'm sure a lot of people have, we as a people are our own worst examiners. im not trying to be mean or anything but I feel as my inteligents is being toyed with in the thread because of disgruntlness and disapproval of how people act as your physical eyes see the world and not seeing the world also from the spiritual eyes too for both go hand n hand.
I'm sorry if this seems harsh but apart of me feels as if the wool is being pulled over peoples eyes telling people all the do's and don'ts before slipping in the words I got to go hope I see ya'll again. It's better to just get to the point then trying to sugar coat words with eye candy wording it rarely works that way.
I wish you well on your journeys if I don't see you again
There is a vast difference between calling someone personally a name...then to just call out in a general sense a certain "type" of person...like a Pharisee, judaizer.....etc..
....if people are offended when a general type is exposed for what they are doing - then maybe when these types of people are being exposed - they are resembling the ones that are being offended....but there is no personal attack on the person themselves...the truth is just bearing witness against them and thus they attack the person talking about the "types" of people.....it's the nature of the beast......selah
....if people are offended when a general type is exposed for what they are doing - then maybe when these types of people are being exposed - they are resembling the ones that are being offended....but there is no personal attack on the person themselves...the truth is just bearing witness against them and thus they attack the person talking about the "types" of people.....it's the nature of the beast......selah
On edit: I rejoice for people when they come to understand the fullness of God's grace. Its not about dominating people; I truly want people to embrace the grace. Some people have the veil removed, others don't. More often than not, those who don't are very Pharisaic in their demeanor, and that's when I meet force with force. My love remains, but my diplomacy usually doesn't.
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Can I fix that for you?
'cuz I've seen you fight with everybody. Everybody can't be as you described in your original statement.
Oh, sorry. (Ha! Like that, Sirk?
But its all good..