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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/

I found that browsing my newsfeed today. What do people think about it, and what are some of your scriptural and personal beliefs on the topics of contraceptives/abortion?

For those of you who don't want to read the article, it's pretty much showing that there are way higher teen prengancy rates in highly religious states than others. Some of the reasons they are concluding are that there is a large religious push against contraceptives, abortion, and sometimes a person who has a no sex before marriage idea may decide to have sex in the heat of the moment and not have planned contraceptive.

Just interested on your thoughts on the matter.
 
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Sorry I can't even look because of the source. MSNBC has absolutely no credibility on anything. Virtually everything they say or do revolves around pushing their extreme liberal anti-God agenda. If you find information from a reliable source I would look at that.
 
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Harley_Angel said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/

I found that browsing my newsfeed today. What do people think about it, and what are some of your scriptural and personal beliefs on the topics of contraceptives/abortion?

For those of you who don't want to read the article, it's pretty much showing that there are way higher teen prengancy rates in highly religious states than others. Some of the reasons they are concluding are that there is a large religious push against contraceptives, abortion, and sometimes a person who has a no sex before marriage idea may decide to have sex in the heat of the moment and not have planned contraceptive.

Just interested on your thoughts on the matter.
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in the last days, right will be wrong and wrong will be right, thus sayeth the Lord
 
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I agree w/ espresso. I don't look at or watch anything from BS-NBC!. I watch Fox and sometimes CNN. The slant from that particular article is just too much.
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i think that would be because whenever you make something out to be dirty, as those highly religious places, it just makes the teens want to do it more.
 
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I'm not saying that the article is right or wrong. I'm saying that it brought up a point, and I'd like to hear your opinion on the points brought up, not on the article and it's validity. The article was posted because it's what sparked my interest in what your ideas are.
 
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Densetzu said:
What so you're the Lord now?
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I am not the one that said this I have heard this all my life even though, I not sure if it is Bible I Guess we could say that when people Ro 1:23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
and even now, we have to know that we are in those days right now. and the Bible says that anytime a prophet says something from the Lord that they should say thus sayeth the Lord, But as I say this is not my prophecy, so I am also not sure of your intent of your post? I don't know how you could get that I was saying that I was God ????? My friend (Don't know if I can call you brother or not, or even if you would want me to,) but my friend I will pray for you!

Isa 5:20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 
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So...what's everyone's view on contraceptives?
 
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I think another poll that I heard you might find interesting. The majority of teen pregnantcies occur in females that are on birth controll. Also most abortions are performed on women ages 25 to 35. Also many of the numbers of birth controll methods given out are based on how much is given away. I know that many of the young women that I have spoken to say that the providers give them not only what they need but fill a bag with a large amout extra and tell them to give it to their friends. When this kind of thing is going on how can you trust any of the numbers given. God bless, pickles
 
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i had not heard that about teen pregnancies on birth control. where did u see that poll?
i think contraceptives need to not be thought of as dirty or shameful, ppl need to grow up and be more responsible about them and get them into the hands of those teens. teenagers are going to have sex, so there needs to be more contraceptives available and they need to not feel embarrassed about it.
 
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*sigh* well..im ready to take my stoning... , i told my son who was your typical teen if your going to have sex..protect yourself..of course he got the ' id much rather you not' speech , he was raised in church . he knows right from wrong , the choices are this ,turn a blinds eye to the facts that alot of teens will whether you like it or not and raise an infant ,Hope the make the right decision and wait, or hope they get lucky and dont get pregnant...thats just the facts ..no matter , he still had a daughter out of wedlock.
and i still stand by what i told him...
 
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I think parents should take a firm hard line approach. Isn't saying "if you do, use protection" sort of encouraging them?
 
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I kinda agreee 'snail, but , when they start getting older you can't really say "I deny you to have any sex before you're married" (though that'd be fun to try)
 
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This can be one of those difficult life situations. Not that I agree or disagree but the "if you do, use a contraceptive" approach can lead to "I carry one just in case!" which is like having a "loaded gun" so to speak (scuze the pun) subconsiously giving licence.
I took the "Abstain" approach but also had long conversations about the pro's and con's of "if you do, use a contraceptive", In the end I left it up to them to make the decision themselves, I am happy to say my eldest son got married recently and he was still a virgin, my daughter of 18 is still a virgin and I am hoping my other son who is 12 will follow suite.
I think if parents teach their kids from an early age the Word to discern right from wrong and very importantly building trust with them, when they reach the age of sexual awareness they will take what you say more seriously. Besides The Word does say:
Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it.
 
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espresso said:
Sorry I can't even look because of the source. MSNBC has absolutely no credibility on anything. Virtually everything they say or do revolves around pushing their extreme liberal anti-God agenda. If you find information from a reliable source I would look at that.
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Wow, your inability to process information despite a bias is stunning, in a bad way. Every information source leans one way or another. The ability to process out a bias is the hallmark of a rational, educated mind.

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For those of you who don't want to read the article, it's pretty much showing that there are way higher teen prengancy rates in highly religious states than others. Some of the reasons they are concluding are that there is a large religious push against contraceptives, abortion, and sometimes a person who has a no sex before marriage idea may decide to have sex in the heat of the moment and not have planned contraceptive.
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From the article:

And while the study reveals information about states as a whole, it doesn't shed light on whether an individual teen who is more religious will also be more likely to have a child.

"You can't talk about individuals, because you don't know what's producing the [teen birth] rate," said Amy Adamczyk, a sociologist at the City University of New York, who was not involved in the current study. "Are there just a couple of really precocious religious teenagers who are running around and getting pregnant and having all of these babies, but that's not the norm?"
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The article kind of answers its own question, I think. I lived for a long time in South Carolina and Alabama. Most of the pregnancies I saw were from non/weakly christian poor minorities in the inner city. They have three, four, five children each, out of wedlock, and before they're 20. A lot of them WANT babies, for a variety of reasons, and others just repeatedly make poor choices.


For me, the statistics they found make sense, but their conclusion (religon = teenage pregnancy); not so much.

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ChristopherMichael said:
Wow, your inability to process information despite a bias is stunning, in a bad way. Every information source leans one way or another. The ability to process out a bias is the hallmark of a rational, educated mind.



From the article:

The article kind of answers its own question, I think. I lived for a long time in South Carolina and Alabama. Most of the pregnancies I saw were from non/weakly christian poor minorities in the inner city. They have three, four, five children each, out of wedlock, and before they're 20. A lot of them WANT babies, for a variety of reasons, and others just repeatedly make poor choices.


For me, the statistics they found make sense, but their conclusion (religon = teenage pregnancy); not so much.

- Topher
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I can process information just fine thank you. I just choose to avoid people, places, things, in this case media, that have a history of or an agenda of being against God. Same reason I don’t look at porn or other things that are against God. It has nothing to do with ability to process and everything to do with being selective of what I read, watch, think, do, and say. You know the old saying “garbage in, garbage out”. So I choose to stay away from garbage. Interesting that for some reason you care what I look at or don’t look at and then judge me because I avoid a network that attacks God on a daily basis. I would hope all Christians avoid media or anything else that is against God. Maybe you could save your criticism and judging for something more important than peoples viewing choices.
 
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I thought it was interesting that the article speculated that in a lot of cases, people who chose to abstain are sometimes found caught in the moment and don't have a contraceptive on hand because they never thought they would be having sex.

My little brother, who doesn't have a very strong relationship...if he has one at all...with God is turning 16 soon. I really, really worry about him because he's a good lookin kid, but he doesn't have a whole lot of common sense. I gave him the, "If you have sex, you'll get pregnant and DIE." speech, but that stopped working when he got a little older and found out boys can't get pregnant...it was worth a shot. Now I explain to him the risk of getting std's, even IF you use protection. HPV and herpes can be spread regardless depending on where the person who has them is broken out at. The color in his face sort of drained when I told him they estimate at least 70+ women in the US have some form of HPV.

What kept me from having sex until I turned 18, walked away from God and my beliefs, and turned into a wanton was the videos they showed us in school of all these girls who had gotten pregnant in highschool, then my boyfriend when I was 14 got my 15 year old friend pregnant. I watched a REMARKABLY brilliant girl with an amazing mind and eye for art have to put all her dreams away, drop out of school at 16, and take care of a baby by herself because the father wanted to be a kid still. I vowed to be at least 18 before I entered that sort of territory.

Does anybody think that putting so much stigma on sex helps kids want to do it? And, what about the bible and contraceptives? I hear a lot of talk from Christians that contraceptives are murder. Does anybody else think this, if so why, of not why?
 
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Harley_Angel said:
I gave him the, "If you have sex, you'll get pregnant and DIE." speech, but that stopped working when he got a little older and found out boys can't get pregnant...

Does anybody think that putting so much stigma on sex helps kids want to do it? And, what about the bible and contraceptives? I hear a lot of talk from Christians that contraceptives are murder. Does anybody else think this, if so why, of not why?
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haha...THAT was funny!
I think they should be told the truth right from the start.
not sure if the Bible has anything on contraceptives...if there is, would be interesting to know.
contraceptives are murder?...don't see how it can be.
 
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