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Harley_Angel

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Well, I know in another thread someone mentioned that bc pills can cause miscarriages, and I know a lot of catholics won't use contraceptives because it kills what could have been the possibility of a baby or something.
 
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My father is a pastor as ive mentioned before and both me and my sister got pregnant as teenagers. both of us lots our babies as well. Both of my brothers got their girlfriends pregnant when they were teenagers also, My parents shoved relegion and christianity down our throats constantly.. If we were sick and throwing up.. my dad would say throw up then get your butt in the car.. were goin to church..there was never not an excuse to go to church, and it was always church before us. Sometimes it can be to much, such as the case with my siblings, we rebelled because we were kept on such a tight leash.. and no one would explain to us exactly the reason why you were not supposed to have it before you were married... we were always just told its bad! its bad!
 
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Sex education at an early age eg age 6 to 8 is probably a good idea.
 
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Leilaii425

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i agree with the snail..i believe we need to educate chidren on it.. but in a healthy way.
 
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The idea is to gross them out at an early age so they won't want to do it when they get older. And if that didn't do it the sex therapist classes they made us go to in final year of high school did.

We can probably learn a lot from the Indians and asians. Many of those people are still virgins and I can put it down to good family values - which is not something exclusive to Christianity.
 
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Leilaii425

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hahahahah sex therapist classes!!!! ive never heard of such a thing
 
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Graybeard

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......and I know a lot of catholics won't use contraceptives because it kills what could have been the possibility of a baby or something.
I've heard something like that before, very debatable I'd say although they do have a valid point, but then that would mean if they (catholics) are required to give a sperm sample for medical reasons, they can't?
 
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Leilaii, I agree that simply shoving a belief down someone's throat and not telling them why is bad. All you probably knew was sex before marriage was BAD! But I doubt anybody told you why. That's the problem sometimes, we simply assume that person understands things the same way we do, but no child is going to understand the complications and risks involved with sex like an adult would. Teaching them honestly is a good approach. The abstainence method taught by schools is a good start, but I think parents need to sit down and explain contraceptives and safe sex to their children. I mean, telling a room full of high schoolers that not having sex is the only way to not get pregnant or get an std is good, but they should also be informed of how to make responsible decisions if they do have sex.

And yes, scaring the heck out of them is a good way to start. I say we start the kiddies off with long videos that show nothing but pictures of extremely bad std's and vd.
 
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ChristopherMichael

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I've heard something like that before, very debatable I'd say although they do have a valid point, but then that would mean if they (catholics) are required to give a sperm sample for medical reasons, they can't?
Negative Ghostwriter. Sperm isn't a unique human that's growing and developing. A fertilized egg, however, is. Has it's own unique genetic code, and begins developing into a person immediately. All it needs from the mother is nutrients and protection to grow. Just as does an infant, or even a toddler.

- Topher
 
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Harley_Angel

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Yeah, but if you purposely keep the sperm from reaching the egg through, say, a condom, could that be considered pre-concieved murder? Minus the pun...really, catholics are the only ones I've really heard this argument from, I just want to know the reasons behind it.
 
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i second that, i ve also heard some old timey catholics still view condoms as a sin. i would also like to hear the reasoning behind it.
 
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My father is a pastor as ive mentioned before and both me and my sister got pregnant as teenagers. both of us lots our babies as well. Both of my brothers got their girlfriends pregnant when they were teenagers also, My parents shoved relegion and christianity down our throats constantly.. If we were sick and throwing up.. my dad would say throw up then get your butt in the car.. were goin to church..there was never not an excuse to go to church, and it was always church before us. Sometimes it can be to much, such as the case with my siblings, we rebelled because we were kept on such a tight leash.. and no one would explain to us exactly the reason why you were not supposed to have it before you were married... we were always just told its bad! its bad!
leilaii425, im so sorry about that kind of upbringing. that does tend to screw ppl up. parents have good intentions but man, can they go tooo far. i am a firm believer in that PKs, "preachers kids" get it the worst and tend to have to deal with an unusual amount of crap in adulthood. one of my oldest and dearest friends is a PK" and she still deals with all that was shoved down her throat. i hope that what was once unclear to you has become clear.
 

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i had not heard that about teen pregnancies on birth control. where did u see that poll?
i think contraceptives need to not be thought of as dirty or shameful, ppl need to grow up and be more responsible about them and get them into the hands of those teens. teenagers are going to have sex, so there needs to be more contraceptives available and they need to not feel embarrassed about it.
I wish I could remember when, it was just another poll given out on TV. I am not against birth controll, I believe it is important that our young do protect themselves. The extra birth controll being given out was the morning after pill. The young woman was actually frightened by what was given to her and worried if there was a true concern for her own health a safety, not to mention the others that had been given this medication so easly.
Its funny that finally those that promote birth controll are finally running adds about waiting to have sex. I am glad that this is finally being promoted. Most of the young woman and men that have come to me for advice really would rather wait but feel pressured by their peers to be active.
All of my children were taught abstenance by faith but I also told them if they choose to be active that we would provide protection as the greater sadness would be for a child to be born without a stable and loving enviroment. Abortion was the only thing that was never a cosideration. Life is a gift and the only one that is the decider is Our Lord God.
By the way, my children remain abstinate except for one. Not bad in these times. God bless, pickles
 
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Harley_Angel

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Not bad at all, Pickles. that's really good you were able to be truthful and supportive of whichever choice your children make. If I had a child, I'd rather them come to me and ask for protection. When I was a resident assistant, I had the "sex and candy" basket. It was full of candy and condoms. My residents could ask me for the basket and I would let them take what they needed. That way they didn't feel so awkward about buying condoms and there was candy so they knew I didn't know what they were taking from the basket. It made them feel more comfortable so they were more willing to use them.
 

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My father is a pastor as ive mentioned before and both me and my sister got pregnant as teenagers. both of us lots our babies as well. Both of my brothers got their girlfriends pregnant when they were teenagers also, My parents shoved relegion and christianity down our throats constantly.. If we were sick and throwing up.. my dad would say throw up then get your butt in the car.. were goin to church..there was never not an excuse to go to church, and it was always church before us. Sometimes it can be to much, such as the case with my siblings, we rebelled because we were kept on such a tight leash.. and no one would explain to us exactly the reason why you were not supposed to have it before you were married... we were always just told its bad! its bad!
I am so sorry that this was your introduction to Jesus. It makes Jesus a punishment rather than a gift. My hubby and I worried alot that we should have pushed harder when it came to church and learning about the Lord. I always believed that you introduce them to Jesus and provide gental teaching throughout their childhood. Also living our faith was the best way to teach. Now each of them are accepting Jesus into their lives or have many years ago. One of them I worry about but my hope and faith are in Jesus, not forcing. To read what you wrote helps me know that we made the right choice. God bless, pickles
 
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it saddens me that such a natural and instinctual drive as reproduction has been turned into something dirty and sinful. we all have such thoughts and impulses starting at a young age. that doesn't make it of the devil. those thoughts and drives simply need to be mastered and controlled, no, not by parents, but by those who feel them in the first place. have we forgotten that the wives and mothers of the fathers and sons of this great nation were married and mothers at or around the age of 15? i think that perhaps we forget when "adulthood" actually begins.
 

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it saddens me that such a natural and instinctual drive as reproduction has been turned into something dirty and sinful. we all have such thoughts and impulses starting at a young age. that doesn't make it of the devil. those thoughts and drives simply need to be mastered and controlled, no, not by parents, but by those who feel them in the first place. have we forgotten that the wives and mothers of the fathers and sons of this great nation were married and mothers at or around the age of 15? i think that perhaps we forget when "adulthood" actually begins.
Did I give the impression that in any way it was taught to be dirty or evil? I always taught my children that this is a gift of love. Waiting for that person is not only a gift but a lesson in self controll. I believe that one who is willing to wait shows their abuility of self controll. I also know that this abuility to controll oneself results in a much better lover. We taught our children in what we belived is best, but did not bind them through fear or saying anything is dirty. Just because one has urges does not mean that to abstain is bad. There are many urges in life that have nothing to do with being bad but more to do with ones maturity and wisdom in their choices. All of our choices come with responcabuilities . One must accept the responcabuilities of our actions and know they can. Why is it that to wait is to say it is dirty? Those that promote such a thought are misguided and wrong. What we live and believe is that one wants to have all that is good and rewarding in their choices. Being ready for that choice is part of that reward. God bless, pickles
 
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That question is more for those who are of the world and we do not have fellowship with the world and think the same because our hunger and thirst for his righteousness causes our minds to be transformed. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God and they shall see his face and his name written on their foreheads. His name is called the word of God. Those who have the mark of the beast, his name written on their foreheads, it is the name of a number of a man, these people of the antiChrist spirit, do (mark on the hand) and think (mark on the forehead) and have the wisdom that descends from below and is earthly sensual and devilish. Everybody is looking in the flesh to see the antiChrist appear and getting their eyes off the coming of Christ. I do not mean that there will not be in time, a literal mark because just as we have our fathers name in our foreheads and we do the works of Christ, the wicked ones, the god of this world has blinded their minds and they will do his will before they accept the mark if there is a literal one. Contraception for true believers is between a husband and wife and God. Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled but adulterers and whoremongers God will judge. I am sure there is more to that scripture that meets the eye. When a couple have entered into a holy union in the Lord, their minds and hearts will convict them of what is pure and how sex is practiced between them that acts of sodomy would instantly be forbidden to them because the "marriage bed is undefiled". That does not mean that a married couple has liscence to do anything they want to do in bed. Still, that is between them and the Lord. If our heart condemn us not, then we have confidence in the Lord and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. The spirit of God sets us free from sin. This does not mean that we can do anything we want and no answer to God. All sins are outside the body but fornication and adultery are sins against the body, so, there are higher degrees of sin. Drinking is not a sin, drunkeness is. I cannot drink because I lean towards being an alchoholic, but, I do not judge other Christians I know that are powerful Christians that have a glass of wine once in a while. Besides that in the Lord's supper, it was not grape juice and a cracker. It was a meal and real wine in one cup that was shared. Even though I abstain from drinking, I do partake in the Lord's supper the authentic way when the chance comes up. It is having one mind and one spirit with those who believe the same that we can fellowship with and partake of the bread and body of Christ. I have received healing in my body from the Lord's supper. (Sorry for getting off topic) It is line upon line and precept upon precept and when we believe as the Lord would have us believe, out of our bellies flow rivers of living waters.
 
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ChristopherMichael

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Yeah, but if you purposely keep the sperm from reaching the egg through, say, a condom, could that be considered pre-concieved murder? Minus the pun...really, catholics are the only ones I've really heard this argument from, I just want to know the reasons behind it.
I was formerly engaged to a Catholic girl. During our pre-marital counseling with the priest, he mentioned that condoms were ex-nayed because they unnaturally subvert the reproductive process. Children are viewed as a blessing, and as a natural fruit of a sexual union. The only form or birth control they espouse is Natural Family Planning, which works off of determining when a woman is fertile, and avoiding having sex then.

- Topher
 
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