Speaking in tongues
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That point went right over you.
Mark 16 has parts of it fulfilled in Acts, if anyone is to question it they should also question whether Acts is part of the scriptures or not. It really doesn't matter if someone wrote Mark 16 after the works of the Apostles (Acts) were done or before, one is an attestation of the other.
Mark 16 has parts of it fulfilled in Acts, if anyone is to question it they should also question whether Acts is part of the scriptures or not. It really doesn't matter if someone wrote Mark 16 after the works of the Apostles (Acts) were done or before, one is an attestation of the other.
well I am not wrong at all. you will use whatever you think is available in an attempt to prove you position...which is not biblical
make up your mind
do you wish to disprove tongues from scripture or from unproveable claims from members of the forum?
I am not saying the claims are not true. I AM saying you cannot prove it one way or another. And again, people went there because YOU shoved scripture aside
and what on earth does transubstantiation have to do with the discussion? but thanks for bringing it up because it illustrates perfectly with what I said that YOU do
you CANNOT seem to stick with what someone actually says and appear to need to change the subject and introduce unrelated things in order to swing the conversation another way
that tactic will not work with me and others can see what you are doing
I rather think your argument amounts to babble the way you jump around
make up your mind
do you wish to disprove tongues from scripture or from unproveable claims from members of the forum?
I am not saying the claims are not true. I AM saying you cannot prove it one way or another. And again, people went there because YOU shoved scripture aside
and what on earth does transubstantiation have to do with the discussion? but thanks for bringing it up because it illustrates perfectly with what I said that YOU do
you CANNOT seem to stick with what someone actually says and appear to need to change the subject and introduce unrelated things in order to swing the conversation another way
that tactic will not work with me and others can see what you are doing
I rather think your argument amounts to babble the way you jump around
It is possible to biblically defend the notion that the miraculous age of the New Testament never ended but a proper defense does not make a claim real. Catholics have a biblical defense for transubstantiation but that defense does not mean that they are truly eating human flesh. When I call out supporters of transubstantation to explain the lack of what should be presumptive evidence, answers such as, "I don't need to prove my claims" are not valid answers.
I am not changing the subject, just exposing the illogical basis of their reasoning.
Again, claims of:
bread turning into flesh
wine turning into blood
the earth being flat
and babble being tongues
are simply claims of physical events without support.
Regardless of what scriptures are presented.
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10 But God has revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man,
but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely
given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing
spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1Corinthians 2:
11 For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man,
but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely
given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing
spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1Corinthians 2:
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Mark 16 is the earliest promise of the phenomenon of speaking in tongues, if the disciples were not promised, where else could they get the information about speaking in tongues and how would they have known that it is the Holy spirit when finally they started speaking in tongues?
There's no basis for thinking that Mark 16 was added apart from what people say, it was missing from the earlier manuscript. If something is missing from the earlier manuscript doesn't necessarily mean it was added- think.
There's no basis for thinking that Mark 16 was added apart from what people say, it was missing from the earlier manuscript. If something is missing from the earlier manuscript doesn't necessarily mean it was added- think.
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why are you fixated on what Catholics believe? there are none on this thread to argue with so I guess you are 'safe'
I really dislike when someone says they are not doing something...like you regarding anyone has to defend a personal experience...and yet they consistently do it
that hobby horse had his legs broken off pages ago
it's like someone argueing that water is not liquid and then presenting ice
you do this constantly. you present what YOU think is true, what YOU believe and say the rest of us are flat earthers
no one is falling for it
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Mark 16: 20
(ASV) And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
(BBE) And they went out, preaching everywhere, the Lord working with them, and giving witness to the word by the signs which came after. So be it.
(CEV) Then the disciples left and preached everywhere. The Lord was with them, and the miracles they worked proved that their message was true.
(ERV) The followers went everywhere in the world telling people the Good News, and the Lord helped them. By giving them power to do miracles the Lord proved that their message was true.
(GW) The disciples spread the Good News everywhere. The Lord worked with them. He confirmed his word by the miraculous signs that accompanied it.
(KJV) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
(ASV) And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word by the signs that followed. Amen.
(BBE) And they went out, preaching everywhere, the Lord working with them, and giving witness to the word by the signs which came after. So be it.
(CEV) Then the disciples left and preached everywhere. The Lord was with them, and the miracles they worked proved that their message was true.
(ERV) The followers went everywhere in the world telling people the Good News, and the Lord helped them. By giving them power to do miracles the Lord proved that their message was true.
(GW) The disciples spread the Good News everywhere. The Lord worked with them. He confirmed his word by the miraculous signs that accompanied it.
(KJV) And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
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Big difference between things that follow after or accompany and those that lead that men seek to work after Its an evil generation (natural man ) that seeks after signs and wonders hoping, working to make a noise or falling backward confirms something that is pleaseing to God .
No sign gifts .The kingdom of God comes not by observation. We walk by the unseen eternal (faith of Christ) and not that seen the temporal. Therefore understanding the spiritual things of God hidden from the wisdom of this world .
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Cor.4:18
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God is not a liar and the word of God is true
it is only your unbelief that is problematic …
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart,
because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.
Mark 16:
it is only your unbelief that is problematic …
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart,
because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following.
Amen.
Mark 16:
That has nothing to do with God or faith but is well within the limits of a human body. It really depends on what kind of poison they take. These guys die from snake bites and some are badly injured from such incidents. Reincarnation stories are just stories and no one lives without food and these guyz know very well to stay within the limit, otherwise they die.
There is nothing false about the ending of the gospel of Mark.
Some 85% of the available Textus Receptus manuscripts have the true full content of Mark 16 ending in verse 20.
Most of the mutilated manuscripts which have been deliberately cut are in the Vatican/RCC collections and also
held by various Orthodox libraries.
Thus the two great populist denominations that oppose the truth of the original gospel preached by Jesus and upheld
by the Apostles claim that their manuscripts prevail. Why? Because the "shorter" ending matches their unbelief and denial.
Ivan Panin confirmed the absolute truth of the last 12 verses of Mark by examining the numerical values and patterns of
the Greek alphabet - Bible Numerics (or gematria as known to Jewish scholars).
He published a public wager in The New York Times (1910?) challenging atheists and unbelievers to prove otherwise.
A century plus later and not one contender or scoffer has won the bet - because the Bible Numerics of Mark 16:9-20
are valid and indisputable.
God has sealed his word against the spirit of anti-Christ.
Further, God would not allow such a significant set of verses to be part of the great majority of manuscripts and then be
held responsible for the preaching of a false gospel.
Wake up to yourselves! The word of God is truth. And those few minor errors and suspect verses tend to be stand alones
that when removed do not undermine the consistency and validity of the holy scriptures -
one example of interpolation is 1John 5:7 which Bible Numerics quickly reveals does not have the arithmetic values
comparable with the surrounding verses.
The problem lies not with God and his supposed negligence to preserve his word, but rather with unbelief and many
attempts by worldly religion to mutilate and censor the word of God in order to preach another gospel.
Some 85% of the available Textus Receptus manuscripts have the true full content of Mark 16 ending in verse 20.
Most of the mutilated manuscripts which have been deliberately cut are in the Vatican/RCC collections and also
held by various Orthodox libraries.
Thus the two great populist denominations that oppose the truth of the original gospel preached by Jesus and upheld
by the Apostles claim that their manuscripts prevail. Why? Because the "shorter" ending matches their unbelief and denial.
Ivan Panin confirmed the absolute truth of the last 12 verses of Mark by examining the numerical values and patterns of
the Greek alphabet - Bible Numerics (or gematria as known to Jewish scholars).
He published a public wager in The New York Times (1910?) challenging atheists and unbelievers to prove otherwise.
A century plus later and not one contender or scoffer has won the bet - because the Bible Numerics of Mark 16:9-20
are valid and indisputable.
God has sealed his word against the spirit of anti-Christ.
Further, God would not allow such a significant set of verses to be part of the great majority of manuscripts and then be
held responsible for the preaching of a false gospel.
Wake up to yourselves! The word of God is truth. And those few minor errors and suspect verses tend to be stand alones
that when removed do not undermine the consistency and validity of the holy scriptures -
one example of interpolation is 1John 5:7 which Bible Numerics quickly reveals does not have the arithmetic values
comparable with the surrounding verses.
The problem lies not with God and his supposed negligence to preserve his word, but rather with unbelief and many
attempts by worldly religion to mutilate and censor the word of God in order to preach another gospel.