Speaking in tongues

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SpoonJuly

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7seasrekeyed said:
and here is a fine example of why threads go south

kindly show us who stated that if you do not speak in tongues you go to hell

in this thread, who said that?
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Check post 455.
 
DJ2

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Dino246 said:
First, you're mixing unrelated metaphors. Second, since you have an a priori belief that modern "tongues" aren't genuine, giving you locations is a waste of time.
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The belief in the continuation of the miraculous age of the New Testament is either real or not. You are clearly side stepping the issue with your weak excuse of "my belief". My belief is not a factor on the existence of the physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit, regardless of metaphors.

Your response is typical of this movement, just more diversion.

You may not be like the charlatans you spoke of but you are still in the same game.

Show your hand, Jesus certainly did.
 
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shrume

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notuptome said:
I recognize that only God in His mercy can correct you.
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Is God in His mercy able to correct you, Roger?

Or have you slammed the door shut because you think you already know everything?
 
Dino246

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DJ2 said:
The belief in the continuation of the miraculous age of the New Testament is either real or not. You are clearly side stepping the issue with your weak excuse of "my belief". My belief is not a factor on the existence of the physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit, regardless of metaphors.

Your response is typical of this movement, just more diversion.

You may not be like the charlatans you spoke of but you are still in the same game.

Show your hand, Jesus certainly did.
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I'm not the one demanding a sign to prove something. I simply believe Scripture... differently than you, apparently.
 
notuptome

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7seasrekeyed said:
tongues are one of the gifts that are both for a sign and also for the church

you refusal to acknowledge this does not cancel out scripture

I know you insist that tongues were only for the Jews, but we all know that is not in the Bible but you add it for your own convenience to excuse your lack of belief

I've never said anyone who did not speak in tongues was not saved

and you most likely know that

scripture does not say that so I would not say it either
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You are adding that it is not part of the bible. The church does not require a sign. If it did it would be the sign of the resurrection of Christ not tongues.

Scripture says that Jews require a sign. Scripture says that tongues are for unbelievers. Both in 1 Cor. and Jesus said it as well I believe you have read that and know it quite well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome

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7seasrekeyed said:
and here is a fine example of why threads go south

kindly show us who stated that if you do not speak in tongues you go to hell

in this thread, who said that?
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The poster to whom the reply was initially addressed. He has stated that without the manifestation of tongues a person has not received the Holy Spirit. Here again I'm certain you can figure out who. He does declare a Pentecostal gospel whatever that is supposed to represent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome

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7seasrekeyed said:
you know, people make this claim, but I have never seen anyone on this board say they believed that

that would be an extreme focus on tongues and the focus of scripture is not tongues

and plenty has been said in this forum about why that view is not correct

you must have a 'handbook' of objections that you co-authored :cool:

I'm not picking on you, just catching up in the thread
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LOL I didn't author it but I know Who did.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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SpoonJuly

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7seasrekeyed said:
well great

but I still wonder where you got that idea from since no one said it
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7seasrekeyed said:
well great

but I still wonder where you got that idea from since no one said it
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Waggles said:
Good list 7seasrekeyed but you left out a couple of important elements
a God given prayer language - praying in the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace
the Spirit of adoption wherein those truly baptized in the Holy Spirit become sons and daughters of our
Father in heaven through our Lord Jesus Christ

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry,
Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also
glorified together.
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CS1

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notuptome said:
I've been saved and in the same church for over 40 years. I have been subjected to fundamentalist teaching over that time period. We have had speakers from around the world come and speak to us. Some great evangelists, some great missionaries and some great Christian educators. None of them brought to us faulty teaching and we have avoided modernism.

I applaud you being a life long learner but it does not excuse your error regarding tongues in the modern church. As long as you are sound on your soteriology we can have fellowship but we will not agree on tongues.

I recognize that only God in His mercy can correct you. I have learned or been corrected not to brow beat those with whom I have doctrinal differences.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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nor does it excuse your error of 1cor 13:10 . You think it is error yet you can't even admit that you have ever been corrected . And you clearly take offense because you provide justification as you see it from a church you have been in for over 40 years.. have you ever disagreed with anything your church as said ever ? I am very interested to know that answer if you can .
 
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Dino246 said:
I'm not the one demanding a sign to prove something. I simply believe Scripture... differently than you, apparently.
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I'm not the one claiming a sign, I am simply asking why there is no evidence of the sign. If scripture states that the 1st century age of the miraculous never ended then scripture is a lie. Since scripture does not lie, you are in error.
 
notuptome

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CS1 said:
nor does it excuse your error of 1cor 13:10 . You think it is error yet you can't even admit that you have ever been corrected . And you clearly take offense because you provide justification as you see it from a church you have been in for over 40 years.. have you ever disagreed with anything your church as said ever ? I am very interested to know that answer if you can .
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I am most certainly not in error on 1 Cor 13:8-10.

I do not need to justify good sound doctrine. Sound doctrine stands on it's own securely founded of Gods word.

Relax I'm not offended. I am set for the defense of the faith once delivered to the saints. Jude 3

I can say that I have never had occasion to doubt that the message from the pulpit was from the bible brought by Gods man and used by the Holy Spirit to minister to the saints.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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7seasrekeyed

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notuptome said:
You are adding that it is not part of the bible. The church does not require a sign. If it did it would be the sign of the resurrection of Christ not tongues.

Scripture says that Jews require a sign. Scripture says that tongues are for unbelievers. Both in 1 Cor. and Jesus said it as well I believe you have read that and know it quite well.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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well you are wrong again

tongues are both a sign AND a gift as I stated

in first Corinthians 12 we read where they are described as a gift:

10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another fthe interpretation of tongues. I Corinthians 12:10

maybe pay more attention to everything the Bible says regarding tongues instead of just the parts you think supply your understanding
 
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7seasrekeyed

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notuptome said:
The poster to whom the reply was initially addressed. He has stated that without the manifestation of tongues a person has not received the Holy Spirit. Here again I'm certain you can figure out who. He does declare a Pentecostal gospel whatever that is supposed to represent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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no no

please do clue me in because I have not seen it and the poster I originally addressed that question to, apologized for saying that to Waggles because Waggles never said it of course

so? who is it so I can view that for the first time
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Waggles said:
Good list 7seasrekeyed but you left out a couple of important elements
a God given prayer language - praying in the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace
the Spirit of adoption wherein those truly baptized in the Holy Spirit become sons and daughters of our
Father in heaven through our Lord Jesus Christ

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry,
Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also
glorified together.
Romans 8:
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I didn't write the list

however, it consists strictly of scripture...but not the whole Bible
 
notuptome

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7seasrekeyed said:
no no

please do clue me in because I have not seen it and the poster I originally addressed that question to, apologized for saying that to Waggles because Waggles never said it of course

so? who is it so I can view that for the first time
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Yeah it was one of those indirect allusions to the fact. It's all good if he learned not to allude to it again.

I do remember reading his Pentecostal gospel post which was troubling to me. But then I'm an old stick in the mud bible fundamentalist.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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7seasrekeyed

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excuse me spoon

but I read Waggles reply and he never said a thing about if you don't speak in tongues you go to hell
 
notuptome

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7seasrekeyed said:
well you are wrong again

tongues are both a sign AND a gift as I stated

in first Corinthians 12 we read where they are described as a gift:

10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another fthe interpretation of tongues. I Corinthians 12:10

maybe pay more attention to everything the Bible says regarding tongues instead of just the parts you think supply your understanding
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The least of the gifts and one destined to cease. But again as long as you have a correct soteriology it's not a deal breaker.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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7seasrekeyed

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notuptome said:
Yeah it was one of those indirect allusions to the fact. It's all good if he learned not to allude to it again.

I do remember reading his Pentecostal gospel post which was troubling to me. But then I'm an old stick in the mud bible fundamentalist.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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oh I see...it was an allusion. right. got it. wink wink

seems more like self delusions in the rush to disprove any 21st C tongues

so...how 'bout those tongues! both a sign AND a gift

try and keep up :geek:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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notuptome said:
The least of the gifts and one destined to cease. But again as long as you have a correct soteriology it's not a deal breaker.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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dude...I will be happy to take even the least of the gifts from God
 
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