Speaking in tongues

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shrume said:
You don't understand what speaking in tongues is, Noose.

If I spoke to you in your known language, I would not be speaking in tongues.
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You are very far from getting a grasp on what tongues are:

Mark 16: 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

All these things including speaking in tongues are miracles. If you never learnt a word in Swahili and one day came speaking to me in fluent Swahili and while at it preaching the gospel to me or interpreting a prophesy to me, you'll be speaking in tongues. This will be a sign to me that indeed God is in you, but if you come to me making noise i'll chase you.

1 Cor 14: 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
 
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so what I did is I went back to look at everyones First post it is very clear who is the trouble makers :)
 
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well in directly it has been proven however, no one had to ask to prove it . When the gift was used at the time it was proven and has been done more than once . There you go just when we were getting some were with respect you result to insults . were done . it's almost time for you to go.
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Your threats to silience me and others is a clear example of your inability to even remotely defend your position. Instead you attempt to lord over others, hoping to quiet their voices and quench the spirit of truth. You have done this before and I am sure you will continue to do it until someone takes away your abused privilege.

Until then do not attempt to bully me.
 
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Your threats to silience me and others is a clear example of your inability to even remotely defend your position. Instead you attempt to lord over others, hoping to quiet their voices. You have done this before and I am sure you will continue to do it until someone takes away your abused privilege.

Until then do not attempt to bully me.
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oh it is not a threat sir, you have been very rude and you need to go . you are a legend in your own time. You should show more kindness and respect . As it was shown to you. you insult and speak condemnation to me which is ok but you do so to other and as a mod I was respectful to you . Your own actions speak here. and now you and I are done.

thank you and God bless.
 
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4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
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Pentecostals don't speak in tongues. They speak gibberish. So, the verse about speaking in tongues edifying himself doesn't apply to Pentecostals.

Paul never advocates speaking an unknown tongue without interpretation!

Paul's writing style through all his books, unknown to nearly all Pentecostals, is one of consolatory treatment, which is what he's doing here. This is not an affirmation of the practicing speaking tongues alone, but simply a consolatory statement. If you actually did speak in tongues, it's of God and Paul isn't going to say it's worthless, for nothing of God is worthless. Paul's point is that you're not benefiting someone else if no one understand what you're saying. That's a point belabored in this chapter, and ignored by Pentecostals.
 
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5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Paul is talking about speaking in tongues IN PUBLIC. Speaking in tongues out loud in public is useless (except for the person speaking) unless it's interpreted.
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The interpretation is the clincher. My father used to speak in tongues and interpret when others spoke in tongues. The interpretation would be anything from encouragement, warning, prophesy, edification etc. it was as if Jesus himself was speaking and it was wonderful to hear. Those who had the gifts were real pillars of the church behind the scenes. They were lovely, humble, God-fearing people. Sadly they have all passed on, and the church is not the same without them.
 
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Pentecostals don't speak in tongues. They speak gibberish. So, the verse about speaking in tongues edifying himself doesn't apply to Pentecostals.

Paul never advocates speaking an unknown tongue without interpretation!

Paul's writing style through all his books, unknown to nearly all Pentecostals, is one of consolatory treatment, which is what he's doing here. This is not an affirmation of the practicing speaking tongues alone, but simply a consolatory statement. If you actually did speak in tongues, it's of God and Paul isn't going to say it's worthless, for nothing of God is worthless. Paul's point is that you're not benefiting someone else if no one understand what you're saying. That's a point belabored in this chapter, and ignored by Pentecostals.
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you DDDO that is your opinon and you are intitled to it :) you are right the part that speaks about edifying themselves apply to pentacostels the term had not even been said yet. IT applies to the Church Paul was writing too. and we can apply it to us today. you too are done with me :)
 
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You are now getting me wrong- i don't intend to shut you down, continue doing what you do best but just know it's not from God.
God is not the author of confusion, the opposite of understanding is confusion and that's what's up with modern tongues.
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There is no confusion when there is an interpretation.
 
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There is no confusion when there is an interpretation.
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There's no interpretation either; if someone spoke things that are unknown to us and someone else brings understanding in a language that we understand- how can we tell what is being interpreted is actually true from what was said in tongues if there are no witnesses?
And is this a show off or a show room for showcasing gifts or what? if some one can speak English which is a global language, why speak to us in a language that is not even known to themselves and hope that it is translated?
 
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There's no interpretation either; if someone spoke things that are unknown to us and someone else brings understanding in a language that we understand- how can we tell what is being interpreted is actually true from what was said in tongues if there are no witnesses?
And is this a show off or a show room for showcasing gifts or what? if some one can speak English which is a global language, why speak to us in a language that is not even known to themselves and hope that it is translated?
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that is because it is not a translation of language Noose it is and interpretation which given by inspiration which tongues and interpret = prophecy which is what ? speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Why is interpretation required in Corinthians when the spontaneous tongues spoken in Acts were known in the ears of the hearers? God does not change, correct?

For the cause of Christ
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There is no confusion when there is an interpretation.
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1 Cor 14: 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
 
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you DDDO that is your opinon and you are intitled to it :) you are right the part that speaks about edifying themselves apply to pentacostels the term had not even been said yet. IT applies to the Church Paul was writing too. and we can apply it to us today. you too are done with me :)
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I am assuming you speak in tongues in your own quiet time and perhaps in church also? When the gifts are manifest in public may I ask if an interpreter is present?
 
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1 Cor 14: 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
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1Co 14:26-28 KJV
(26) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
(27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
 
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that is because it is not a translation of language Noose it is and interpretation which given by inspiration which tongues and interpret = prophecy which is what ? speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
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1 Cor 14: 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.

How can a person speak intelligible tongue?
 
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Noose said:
You are very far from getting a grasp on what tongues are:

Mark 16: 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

All these things including speaking in tongues are miracles. If you never learnt a word in Swahili and one day came speaking to me in fluent Swahili and while at it preaching the gospel to me or interpreting a prophesy to me, you'll be speaking in tongues. This will be a sign to me that indeed God is in you, but if you come to me making noise i'll chase you.
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You don't understand what speaking in tongues is, Noose.

I would try explaining it again, but it would fall on deaf ears.
 
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1 Cor 14: 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.

How can a person speak intelligible tongue?
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That is why Paul goes on to say, there needs to be an interpreter present. He is very strong on everything being done in order.

Let all things be done decently and in order. (1Co 14:40 KJV)
 
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1Co 14:26-28 KJV
(26) How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
(27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
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My understanding of tongues is very different from what is happening today. A tongue is a language; one of the different languages spoken on earth and that's why as per the verse you quoted, it must have witnesses (people who understand that language). And a tongue is also a miracle because the one who speaks has no formal education in it yet with the spirit of God, they can speak fluently.

And it is a miracle on two fronts, to the listener (which is a sign to them that God works) and to the speaker because it is like they are speaking their own language/ speaking things that they fully understand (as given to them by God- like preaching the gospel), yet the listener gets it is a different language (their own).

In Mark 16, speaking in tongues is right there with other miracles :

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

When i say speaking in tongues ceased just like the miracle of raising the dead ceased, i know what i'm talking about. What we hear today is hardly a miracle- it is the opposite of a miracle.
 
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notuptome said:
Why is interpretation required in Corinthians when the spontaneous tongues
For the cause of Christ spoken in Acts were known in the ears of the hearers? God does not change, correct?
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notuptome I can speak to you about this even if we disagree because I like you :).

as You know I see 1cor 12, 13, and 14 as for today you do not. I see the gifts as supernatural ministrations of the Holy Spirit in the Believer to do as the Spirit of God desires them to do in the yielding person. The person is saved already the gifts do not save they are used in the Believer to comfort , edify , and build up.


The context in Acts is the only time it happen like that in the way it is recorded in Chapter 2. As we move through the Book of Acts the Holy Spirit has come upon other yet no rushing wind no cloven tongues of fire but speaking in tongues and Prophesying.

Over and over again the book of Acts records this.


As the Church has grown and expanded Paul is led to address issues in the Churches the one in Corinth we see. 1cor chapter 12, 13, and 14 are known as the Gifts of the Holy Spirit they are spiritual gifts. IF you take out tongues remove it what about the other gifts I have never heard any issue with word of knowledge , discerning of spirits , word of wisdom only in this gift .

I will say this is it possible you could be wrong ? yes it is I know you don't think so . As it is I too could be wrong . yet what I have done and do continue to do is not of the devil or because a devil is speaking through me. this is why those who disagree need to take a step back. I came hard at you for a comment pertaining to being corrected I stand by that . If a person can not admit they could be wrong or that they in all the time of salvation never been corrected I see that is very serious. If that is the position then were done. You are not going to change my mind nor am I yours .
 
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I am assuming you speak in tongues in your own quiet time and perhaps in church also? When the gifts are manifest in public may I ask if an interpreter is present?
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yes
 
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