Spiritual Baptism

[Thunderrr-mental]

Birds of a feather flock together-from my quick observation we have a few loose apples here-unhinged-with cognitive dissonance, maybe?
You are not my judge-praise our Lord Christ Jesus for that.
Keep on "thundering-mentally" past me-I will eventually catch up.
J.

no thanks the only way to father is through having higher counsel with the lord.

Where as sowing seeds with hatred for to long your in danger of becoming what you associate yourself with.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Any heart felt person and most definitely a Christian would by now have said I'm sorry i didn't realise someone was partially blind.

But no

And the best part is these people are preaching how spiritual baptism works

 

[Johann]

no thanks the only way to father is through having higher counsel with the lord.

Show me that in Scripture-that we "need higher counsel with the Lord"-diametrically opposed to what stands written-

I am the Bread of Life (John 6:35)
I am the Light of the World (John 8:12)
I am the Door (John 10:9)
I am the Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
I am the Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25)
I am the Way and the Truth and the Life (John 14:6)
I am the Vine (John 15:1,5)

John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes..." "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "N1I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Joh 14:6 Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me [1Sm 3:7].

2) "I am the way, the truth, and the life:” (ego eimi he hodos kai he aletheia kai he zoe) "I am (exist as) the way, and the truth, and the life;" Joh_1:4-5, He is the way, the restricted way, not a way, to salvation, remission of sins, and the Father's House, Act_4:12; Act_10:43. He is the truth, who sets men free or liberates them from the slave chains of sin, Joh_8:32; Joh_8:36. He is the Life, without which men are dead in trespasses and in sin, Eph_2:1-2; Joh_8:12; Joh_10:27-28.

3) "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (oudes erchetai pros tou patera ei me de' emou) "No one comes of his own choice to the Father, except through me," as drawn by the Father, by the Spirit, who has been sent from the Father, to reprove and convict, Pro_1:20-32; Joh_16:7-11; Rev_22:17.
Jesus is the way of access to God by the atonement, Isa_25:8-9; Joh_10:9; Heb_10:19-20. And He is the fountain of all truth, so that both He and His word are true, genuine, real from the beginning, Psa_119:160; Joh_8:32; Joh_8:36; Joh_17:17. And He is the life to which the way leads, and the life points to Him, Joh_1:17; Joh_10:27-28.

Don't vilify or spread unsubstantiated evil rumors online about me-or on ignore you will go.

J.

 

[Johann]

Any heart felt person and most definitely a Christian would by now have said I'm sorry i didn't realise someone was partially blind.

But no

And the best part is these people are preaching how spiritual baptism works

And my son is severely handicapped-but I am asking for nothing from you @Thunderrr-mental
J.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

And my son is severely handicapped-but I am asking for nothing from you @Thunderrr-mental
J.

if your son was mentally handicapped that should be more of a reason to say I'm sorry i don't know someone was partially blind.

As you should know what it's like to have a disability.

So no I don't believe you know about disability.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Show me that in Scripture-that we "need higher counsel with the Lord"-diametrically opposed to what stands written-

I am the Bread of Life (John 6:35)
I am the Light of the World (John 8:12)
I am the Door (John 10:9)
I am the Good Shepherd (John 10:11,14)
I am the Resurrection and the Life (John 11:25)
I am the Way and the Truth and the Life (John 14:6)
I am the Vine (John 15:1,5)

John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes..." "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him, "N1I am the [only] Way [to God] and the [real] Truth and the [real] Life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Joh 14:6 Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach says to him, I am HaDerech, HaEmes, and HaChayyim. No one comes to HaAv except through me [1Sm 3:7].

2) "I am the way, the truth, and the life:” (ego eimi he hodos kai he aletheia kai he zoe) "I am (exist as) the way, and the truth, and the life;" Joh_1:4-5, He is the way, the restricted way, not a way, to salvation, remission of sins, and the Father's House, Act_4:12; Act_10:43. He is the truth, who sets men free or liberates them from the slave chains of sin, Joh_8:32; Joh_8:36. He is the Life, without which men are dead in trespasses and in sin, Eph_2:1-2; Joh_8:12; Joh_10:27-28.

3) "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (oudes erchetai pros tou patera ei me de' emou) "No one comes of his own choice to the Father, except through me," as drawn by the Father, by the Spirit, who has been sent from the Father, to reprove and convict, Pro_1:20-32; Joh_16:7-11; Rev_22:17.
Jesus is the way of access to God by the atonement, Isa_25:8-9; Joh_10:9; Heb_10:19-20. And He is the fountain of all truth, so that both He and His word are true, genuine, real from the beginning, Psa_119:160; Joh_8:32; Joh_8:36; Joh_17:17. And He is the life to which the way leads, and the life points to Him, Joh_1:17; Joh_10:27-28.

Don't vilify or spread unsubstantiated evil rumors online about me-or on ignore you will go.

J.

. I would show you scripture but I'm hesitant because I suspect you will reject it.

 

[Johann]

if your son was mentally handicapped that should be more of a reason to say I'm sorry i don't know someone was partially blind.

As you should know what it's like to have a disability.

So no I don't believe you know about disability.

So why don't you teach your partially blind friend to rightly divide the Scriptures since you can't answer my question.
Are you making an appeal to emotions? We don't go by emotions but what stands written with a style of life reflecting and is in line through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

J.

 

[Johann]

. I would show you scripture but I'm hesitant because I suspect you will reject it.

Already gave you the correct -biblical WAY and that is through Jesus Christ-no other way.



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Psalm 73:24
Verse Concepts
With Your counsel You will guide me,
And afterward receive me to glory.

Psalm 16:7
Verse Concepts
I will bless the Lord who has counseled me;
Indeed, my mind instructs me in the night.

Psalm 32:8
Verse Concepts
I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go;
I will counsel you with My eye upon you.

Psalm 119:24
Verse Concepts
Your testimonies also are my delight;
They are my counselors.

Isaiah 9:6
Verse Concepts
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Jeremiah 32:19
Verse Concepts
great in counsel and mighty in deed, whose eyes are open to all the ways of the sons of men, giving to everyone according to his ways and according to the fruit of his deeds;

Psalm 33:11
Verse Concepts
The counsel of the Lord stands forever,
The plans of His heart from generation to generation.

Proverbs 19:21
Verse Concepts
Many plans are in a man’s heart,
But the counsel of the Lord will stand.

Ephesians 1:11
Verse Concepts
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

2 Samuel 16:23
Verse Concepts
The advice of Ahithophel, which he gave in those days, was as if one inquired of the word of God; so was all the advice of Ahithophel regarded by both David and Absalom.

Proverbs 8:14
Verse Concepts
“Counsel is mine and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, power is mine.

Psalm 107:11
Verse Concepts
Because they had rebelled against the words of God
And spurned the counsel of the Most High.

Psalm 106:13
Verse Concepts
They quickly forgot His works;
They did not wait for His counsel,

Isaiah 30:2
Verse Concepts
Who proceed down to Egypt
Without consulting Me,
To take refuge in the safety of Pharaoh
And to seek shelter in the shadow of Egypt!

Proverbs 1:25
Verse Concepts
And you neglected all my counsel
And did not want my reproof;

Proverbs 1:30
Verse Concepts
“They would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.

We need to rightly cutting straight the Scriptures--

It shall help thee greatly to understand Scriptures
If thou mark not only what is spoken
Or written
But of whom
And to whom
With what words
At what time
Where
To what intend
With what circumstances
Considering what goeth before
And what followeth after

Miles Coverdale
Died in 1569.

J.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Already gave you the correct -biblical WAY and that is through Jesus Christ-no other way.



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Psalm 73:24
Verse Concepts
With Your counsel You will guide me,
And afterward receive me to glory.

Psalm 16:7
Verse Concepts
I will bless the Lord who has counseled me;
Indeed, my mind instructs me in the night.

Psalm 32:8
Verse Concepts
I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go;
I will counsel you with My eye upon you.

Psalm 119:24
Verse Concepts
Your testimonies also are my delight;
They are my counselors.

Isaiah 9:6
Verse Concepts
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Jeremiah 32:19
Verse Concepts
great in counsel and mighty in deed, whose eyes are open to all the ways of the sons of men, giving to everyone according to his ways and according to the fruit of his deeds;

Psalm 33:11
Verse Concepts
The counsel of the Lord stands forever,
The plans of His heart from generation to generation.

Proverbs 19:21
Verse Concepts
Many plans are in a man’s heart,
But the counsel of the Lord will stand.

Ephesians 1:11
Verse Concepts
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

2 Samuel 16:23
Verse Concepts
The advice of Ahithophel, which he gave in those days, was as if one inquired of the word of God; so was all the advice of Ahithophel regarded by both David and Absalom.

Proverbs 8:14
Verse Concepts
“Counsel is mine and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, power is mine.

Psalm 107:11
Verse Concepts
Because they had rebelled against the words of God
And spurned the counsel of the Most High.

Psalm 106:13
Verse Concepts
They quickly forgot His works;
They did not wait for His counsel,

Isaiah 30:2
Verse Concepts
Who proceed down to Egypt
Without consulting Me,
To take refuge in the safety of Pharaoh
And to seek shelter in the shadow of Egypt!

Proverbs 1:25
Verse Concepts
And you neglected all my counsel
And did not want my reproof;

Proverbs 1:30
Verse Concepts
“They would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.

We need to rightly cutting straight the Scriptures--

It shall help thee greatly to understand Scriptures
If thou mark not only what is spoken
Or written
But of whom
And to whom
With what words
At what time
Where
To what intend
With what circumstances
Considering what goeth before
And what followeth after

Miles Coverdale
Died in 1569.

J.

and you can't recognise the higher counsel in these scriptures.

Did you use the God of Google. To just copy and paste. And then quickly form an opinion

 

[Johann]

. I would show you scripture but I'm hesitant because I suspect you will reject it.

Already gave you the correct -biblical WAY and that is through Jesus Christ-no other way.



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Psalm 73:24
Verse Concepts
With Your counsel You will guide me,
And afterward receive me to glory.

Psalm 16:7
Verse Concepts
I will bless the Lord who has counseled me;
Indeed, my mind instructs me in the night.

Psalm 32:8
Verse Concepts
I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go;
I will counsel you with My eye upon you.

Psalm 119:24
Verse Concepts
Your testimonies also are my delight;
They are my counselors.

Isaiah 9:6
Verse Concepts
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Jeremiah 32:19
Verse Concepts
great in counsel and mighty in deed, whose eyes are open to all the ways of the sons of men, giving to everyone according to his ways and according to the fruit of his deeds;

Psalm 33:11
Verse Concepts
The counsel of the Lord stands forever,
The plans of His heart from generation to generation.

Proverbs 19:21
Verse Concepts
Many plans are in a man’s heart,
But the counsel of the Lord will stand.

Ephesians 1:11
Verse Concepts
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

2 Samuel 16:23
Verse Concepts
The advice of Ahithophel, which he gave in those days, was as if one inquired of the word of God; so was all the advice of Ahithophel regarded by both David and Absalom.

Proverbs 8:14
Verse Concepts
“Counsel is mine and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, power is mine.

Psalm 107:11
Verse Concepts
Because they had rebelled against the words of God
And spurned the counsel of the Most High.

Psalm 106:13
Verse Concepts
They quickly forgot His works;
They did not wait for His counsel,

Isaiah 30:2
Verse Concepts
Who proceed down to Egypt
Without consulting Me,
To take refuge in the safety of Pharaoh
And to seek shelter in the shadow of Egypt!

Proverbs 1:25
Verse Concepts
And you neglected all my counsel
And did not want my reproof;

Proverbs 1:30
Verse Concepts
“They would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.

We need to rightly cutting straight the Scriptures--

It shall help thee greatly to understand Scriptures
If thou mark not only what is spoken
Or written
But of whom
And to whom
With what words
At what time
Where
To what intend
With what circumstances
Considering what goeth before
And what followeth after

Miles Coverdale
Died in 1569.

J.

and you can't recognise the higher counsel in these scriptures.

Did you use the God Google. To just copy and paste. And then quickly form an opinion

Looks like you "miss" everything-even the D'varim of YHVH.
Have a nice day.
J.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Already gave you the correct -biblical WAY and that is through Jesus Christ-no other way.



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Psalm 73:24
Verse Concepts
With Your counsel You will guide me,
And afterward receive me to glory.

Psalm 16:7
Verse Concepts
I will bless the Lord who has counseled me;
Indeed, my mind instructs me in the night.

Psalm 32:8
Verse Concepts
I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go;
I will counsel you with My eye upon you.

Psalm 119:24
Verse Concepts
Your testimonies also are my delight;
They are my counselors.

Isaiah 9:6
Verse Concepts
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Jeremiah 32:19
Verse Concepts
great in counsel and mighty in deed, whose eyes are open to all the ways of the sons of men, giving to everyone according to his ways and according to the fruit of his deeds;

Psalm 33:11
Verse Concepts
The counsel of the Lord stands forever,
The plans of His heart from generation to generation.

Proverbs 19:21
Verse Concepts
Many plans are in a man’s heart,
But the counsel of the Lord will stand.

Ephesians 1:11
Verse Concepts
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,

2 Samuel 16:23
Verse Concepts
The advice of Ahithophel, which he gave in those days, was as if one inquired of the word of God; so was all the advice of Ahithophel regarded by both David and Absalom.

Proverbs 8:14
Verse Concepts
“Counsel is mine and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, power is mine.

Psalm 107:11
Verse Concepts
Because they had rebelled against the words of God
And spurned the counsel of the Most High.

Psalm 106:13
Verse Concepts
They quickly forgot His works;
They did not wait for His counsel,

Isaiah 30:2
Verse Concepts
Who proceed down to Egypt
Without consulting Me,
To take refuge in the safety of Pharaoh
And to seek shelter in the shadow of Egypt!

Proverbs 1:25
Verse Concepts
And you neglected all my counsel
And did not want my reproof;

Proverbs 1:30
Verse Concepts
“They would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.

We need to rightly cutting straight the Scriptures--

It shall help thee greatly to understand Scriptures
If thou mark not only what is spoken
Or written
But of whom
And to whom
With what words
At what time
Where
To what intend
With what circumstances
Considering what goeth before
And what followeth after

Miles Coverdale
Died in 1569.

J.

Looks like you "miss" everything-even the D'varim of YHVH.
Have a nice day.
J.

honesty Jesus is the higher council, but obviously that must of passed you by when you where speaking to The God of Google.


I'll give you some time to read your bible if you have one.

i believe in the devine counsel, have you heard of that.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

were baptized. Here baptized into Christ Jesus and baptized into His death are the work of the Holy Spirit, not water.


J.

The Holy Spirit baptises you into water.

And if you believe and are baptised you will be saved.

But if you do not believe you are condemned

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The Holy Spirit baptises you into water

 

[turbosixx]

Testing the waters I see-forgetting the what goeth before-what followeth after-to whom and with what circumstances.

Hear God’s plain statement: “There is one
Body.” Ephesians 4:4.

Romans 12:4 and 5:
“For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
“So we, being many, are one Body in Christ, and every one members one of another.”

Yes, God has but one true Bible Church in this particular age of grace, and the one Head
of that one Body is the Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God in heaven.

I Corinthians 12:13:
“For by one Spirit are we all BAPTIZED into one Body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into
one Spirit.”

Ephesians 2:15:
“Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in
ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain ONE NEW MAN, so making peace.”
“One Body”—“The New Man”—“Christ and His Church one Flesh”. Ephesians 5:30 and
31.

We repeat that the one and only Head of the one true Body (Church) is the Lord Jesus
Christ Who is in the heavens. Ephesians 1:19 to 22. In striving to emerge from the dark ages
denominationalism undoubtedly has been unavoidable. In some instances it has safeguarded
weak and ignorant Christians. But surely it has been the trick of Satan to cover up the glorious
truths in God’s Book concerning the hope, calling, program and destiny of the one true Bible
Church which is the Body of Christ.


In speaking of the sad spectacle of the Church on earth, so hopelessly divided that
nothing but the coming of Christ can ever bring His saints together, we are not referring to the
division known as “Roman Catholicism” and “Protestantism.” The Romanists claim over two
hundred million adherents. They are so completely Judaized that the communicants have to be
saved in spite of the perverted doctrines and unscriptural practices included in their ritualistic
religion. There is utterly no hope for them except as the individual Romanist is delivered by the
gospel of the grace of God from his mixture of Judaism, Christianity and paganism.


The ritualism of Romanism came as a result of that which began in the day of the
apostles. Read the issue of the Jerusalem council, in Acts 15, and note the question in Acts 15:10
and the decision of that council in Acts 15:24 to 29. We quote the question.

Acts 15:10:“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, whichneither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”

Then note the words from the Holy Spirit by the pen of Paul: “A little leaven leaveneth
the whole lump.” Galatians 5:9.

The ritualism, fanaticism, religious legalism and “salvation by
works” movements in Christendom have come as a result of the leaven of Judaism, mixing
Israel’s program into the “grace” program which the risen Christ gave to Paul.


Paul speaks of himself, in the first person pronoun, about 1,200 times in the Bible. He
had a most unique ministry, as he had a unique conversion, and very special dispensations. Note
these words:

Ephesians 3:1 and 2:
“For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, if ye have heard of
the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward.

For several centuries Christians have been emerging from the corrupted Christianity of
the dark ages and the progress has been very slow. Christians, trying to escape from one
religious blunder, have gone into another, and denominationalism and tradition have much
retarded the recovery of “Body” truth and hindered in the matter of obeying II Timothy 2:15 for
the intelligent, Scriptural selection of God’s spiritual program for members of the Body of
Christ, so that members might walk worthy of the calling wherewith they are called. Ephesians
4:1.

Virtually every group, assembly or organization of Evangelical Christians has
incorporated in its Church creeds and instructed its members to practice, something Israelitish;
something of religion which the Lord never intended for the period of grace. The selection from
the Bible of that which belongs to God’s spiritual program and the rejection of that which does
not belong is sometimes no easy task. But surely God has some intelligent Scriptural principle,
in obedience to II Timothy 2:15, by which the Spirit-taught student of the Scriptures may know
how to appropriate and apply the Scriptures to walk well pleasing unto the Lord. Quite
frequently the members of one denomination, who have their established denominational
program, are ungraciously intolerant with the members of another denomination, whose
denominational creed and practices differ in some details, even though the members of both
denominations may agree as to the inspiration of the Scriptures, the eternal Deity of the Lord
Jesus Christ, salvation by faith in Christ’s redemptive work and in other fundamental doctrines.

Right?
J.

Well put. Thanks for your insight.
I agree Christianity is in a sad state. I suggest it started way before the dark ages, Acts 20:28-31. I agree there is one church and Jesus is the one head. I feel there is a lack of knowledge today. People only hear God's word when someone preaches it to them. The way most "pastors" preach nowadays, it's more of a pep talk.

I hope I didn't forget: forgetting the what goeth before-what followeth after-to whom and with what circumstances. I strive to do so and I see a lot of people make that exact mistake along with taking things out of context.

While your reply is well thought out, I'm not sure what to make of it as it applies to Mark 16:16. Do you disagree with Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

 

[turbosixx]

Water baptism isn't a work that somehow earns salvation.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
(MY COMMENT: The key to this verse is found in the article "TOWARD". Repentance TOWARD God & faith TOWARD Christ)

HOW TO ACCESS SALVATION:
Change your mind from UNBELIEF. Acknowledging that God IS & that you've sinned against a sovereign creators rule & are in need of a savior. Turning TOWARD God, when mixed with FAITH toward/in Christ's sin atoning death. The result will be a change of actions.

THE GOSPEL/GOOD NEWS OF JESUS CHRIST:
1 Cor 15:
1 Now brothers and sisters, let me remind you [once again] of the good news [of salvation] which I preached to you, which you welcomed and accepted and on which you stand [by faith].

2 By this faith you are saved [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, and set apart for His purpose], if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain [just superficially and without complete commitment].

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],

PARSING:
Vs 1, ""The good news of SALVATION"" preached to you, ""which you accepted by FAITH"". (NO H2O NEEDED!)

I was with you up to this point. This letter is written to Christians who were baptized when they received the gospel. To say there was NO H2O is forgetting/ignoring what these believers did when they believed. They heard the gospel, believed and were baptized just as Jesus said of those who would be saved. [/color]Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved [/color]
The Corinthians heard and were baptized just as Jesus instructed the apostles.
And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and were baptized.

Also if we look at the first chapter of this book, notice what Paul says.
Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? Paul knows they were baptized in the name of Jesus. When he asks were you baptized in the name of, that leaves out those who were not baptized.

 

[turbosixx]

Baptized into one body - Many suppose that there is reference here to the ordinance of baptism by water.

But the connection seems rather to require us to understand it of the baptism of the Holy Spirit Mat_3:11; and if so, it means, that by the agency of the Holy Spirit, they had all been suited, each to his appropriate place, to constitute the body of Christ - the church.

If, however, it refers to the ordinance of baptism, as Bloomfield, Calvin, Doddridge, etc. suppose, then it means, that by the very profession of religion as made at baptism, by there being but one baptism Eph_4:5, they had all professedly become members of one and the same body.

The former interpretation, however, seems to me best to suit the connection.

After all-the OP is about spiritual baptism-no water required.

Shalom
J.

I suggest it is water baptism. Please consider what happened just days later after the preaching of the gospel.
Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.[./color]
Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. That is water baptism and is in agreement with what Jesus said: Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

Also, if you will notice in Matt. 28, this is part of the same conversation Jesus has before His ascension where He said Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved He also tells them to Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Baptism in the name of Jesus is water.

 

[turbosixx]

Titus 3:4-5

Please consider:
Notice is says washing of rebirth and the renewal of the HS.
Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Water and Spirit.

Washing of new birth.
We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

 

[turbosixx]

When we receive the Holy Spirit then we are spiritually baptized to be compatible with God's Spirit to have a spiritual relationship with Him.

It is about being baptized by the Spirit that give us salvation, and repentance, and water baptism get us there.

We have to be water baptized which we identify with the death of Jesus, and then we rise to newness of life with Him.

The Bible says if we are planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

The Bible says water baptism does now save us not by the washing away of the filth of the flesh, but of a good conscious towards God.

We have to identify with the man Christ Jesus by repenting of our sins, dying to sins, being water baptized, and receiving the Spirit to help us live Christlike.

Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again by the water, and Spirit.

Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Some people do ignore water baptism saying it means baptized by the Spirit, but we have to be water baptized for we must be born of water, and the Spirit.

They look at water baptism as a work, but the Bible says the work of faith, for faith is a work, for all that we do is a work, and repentance is a work, and confessing Christ is a work, so that does not make logical sense to say water baptism is a work so we do not have to do it.

It is the salvation plan of God to be water baptized, but they cut out the middle man and say repentance, and receive the Holy Spirit.

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I agree with everything you have said with one exception. I suggest receiving the HS is not being baptized by the HS. Paul tells us there is one baptism and I agree. That baptism is water. If we are baptized "by" the HS, then that makes one too many baptisms.

I suggest when we believe and are baptized(water), the HS adds us to the body of Christ. As we see here:
So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

Just as you quoted in Rom. 6. all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus
That leaves out everyone who was not baptized.

 

[Johann]

I suggest it is water baptism. Please consider what happened just days later after the preaching of the gospel.
Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.[./color]
Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. That is water baptism and is in agreement with what Jesus said: Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

Also, if you will notice in Matt. 28, this is part of the same conversation Jesus has before His ascension where He said Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved He also tells them to Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

Baptism in the name of Jesus is water.

That's why I don't want to discuss law and baptism on any given platform-it divides the brethren.
J.

 

[Johann]

Well put. Thanks for your insight.
I agree Christianity is in a sad state. I suggest it started way before the dark ages, Acts 20:28-31. I agree there is one church and Jesus is the one head. I feel there is a lack of knowledge today. People only hear God's word when someone preaches it to them. The way most "pastors" preach nowadays, it's more of a pep talk.

I hope I didn't forget: forgetting the what goeth before-what followeth after-to whom and with what circumstances. I strive to do so and I see a lot of people make that exact mistake along with taking things out of context.

While your reply is well thought out, I'm not sure what to make of it as it applies to Mark 16:16. Do you disagree with Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

No-the gospel is to "Whoever"
God bless
J.