Spiritual gifts which did NOT cease
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Respectfully, I see this as a conclusion looking for evidence to support it. Nowhere does the text state that the gift of healing was not used in either the case of Epaphroditus or that of Timothy.
What it does say is that Epaphroditus was sick and almost died. Nothing is said of his path to recovery. It is just as reasonable to conclude that Paul or another person laid hands on him and he recovered, as to conclude that Paul didn't, or tried and was unsuccessful.
As for Timothy, his malady was apparently minor, given that Paul advised "a little wine". Again, the text records nothing at all regarding "attempts" at healing.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
What it does say is that Epaphroditus was sick and almost died. Nothing is said of his path to recovery. It is just as reasonable to conclude that Paul or another person laid hands on him and he recovered, as to conclude that Paul didn't, or tried and was unsuccessful.
As for Timothy, his malady was apparently minor, given that Paul advised "a little wine". Again, the text records nothing at all regarding "attempts" at healing.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
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No, I'm not. I am refuting the cessationist argument from silence.
I am not claiming that Paul or another disciple did heal or attempt to do so; I'm saying that the text does not say either way, so one cannot draw a firm conclusion. I have said that it is equally possible that they did heal and it is simply not recorded. The possibility that I propose is no more and no less valid than the idea that the ability to heal had faded or disappeared.
Were I to claim that Paul or another did actually heal Epaphroditus, then I would be making an argument from silence.
I am not claiming that Paul or another disciple did heal or attempt to do so; I'm saying that the text does not say either way, so one cannot draw a firm conclusion. I have said that it is equally possible that they did heal and it is simply not recorded. The possibility that I propose is no more and no less valid than the idea that the ability to heal had faded or disappeared.
Were I to claim that Paul or another did actually heal Epaphroditus, then I would be making an argument from silence.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
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Respectfully, I see this as a conclusion looking for evidence to support it. Nowhere does the text state that the gift of healing was not used in either the case of Epaphroditus or that of Timothy.
What it does say is that Epaphroditus was sick and almost died. Nothing is said of his path to recovery. It is just as reasonable to conclude that Paul or another person laid hands on him and he recovered, as to conclude that Paul didn't, or tried and was unsuccessful.
As for Timothy, his malady was apparently minor, given that Paul advised "a little wine". Again, the text records nothing at all regarding "attempts" at healing.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
What it does say is that Epaphroditus was sick and almost died. Nothing is said of his path to recovery. It is just as reasonable to conclude that Paul or another person laid hands on him and he recovered, as to conclude that Paul didn't, or tried and was unsuccessful.
As for Timothy, his malady was apparently minor, given that Paul advised "a little wine". Again, the text records nothing at all regarding "attempts" at healing.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
Healing is a gift of the Spirit it is administered by the Spirit at his will not the will of the person.
I agree with you on the praying over and over and someone gradually being healed after medical treatments and whatever else, is not healing being performed through the Gift of Healing. I believe there are several means and various situation by which God heals people. Laying on of hands of the elders, prayer of faith, etc. These are not the same as the Gift of Healing.
However, if it comes through the Gift of Healing then I would think it would be immediate. I don't see the Holy Spirit moving in a person to perform the gift of healing and not being able to perform it right then and there.
I agree with you on the praying over and over and someone gradually being healed after medical treatments and whatever else, is not healing being performed through the Gift of Healing. I believe there are several means and various situation by which God heals people. Laying on of hands of the elders, prayer of faith, etc. These are not the same as the Gift of Healing.
However, if it comes through the Gift of Healing then I would think it would be immediate. I don't see the Holy Spirit moving in a person to perform the gift of healing and not being able to perform it right then and there.
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this teaching from Perry stone touches on this subject and he mentions his father who was used of God to bring healing to some yet he himself died of a sickness, Perry spoke with him and after thought he mentioned it is often easier to have faith for others than for ourselves, perhaps because we know ourselves well enough that we know why He should not, he goes on to discuss Elisha who had a double portion of Elijah's spirit yet died of a sickness, late a soldier who had been killed was placed on Elisha's bones and was brought to life, as Elisha's bones still had the power of God working in them.
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Respectfully, I see this as a conclusion looking for evidence to support it. Nowhere does the text state that the gift of healing was not used in either the case of Epaphroditus or that of Timothy.
What it does say is that Epaphroditus was sick and almost died. Nothing is said of his path to recovery. It is just as reasonable to conclude that Paul or another person laid hands on him and he recovered, as to conclude that Paul didn't, or tried and was unsuccessful.
As for Timothy, his malady was apparently minor, given that Paul advised "a little wine". Again, the text records nothing at all regarding "attempts" at healing.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
What it does say is that Epaphroditus was sick and almost died. Nothing is said of his path to recovery. It is just as reasonable to conclude that Paul or another person laid hands on him and he recovered, as to conclude that Paul didn't, or tried and was unsuccessful.
As for Timothy, his malady was apparently minor, given that Paul advised "a little wine". Again, the text records nothing at all regarding "attempts" at healing.
Paul's own malady was never healed. The man whose hankies had healed others was not healed himself. God's ways are higher than our ways, and we don't get to decide who gets healed and who doesn't. In the absence of clear evidence, let's not draw conclusions that happen to align with a particular agenda.
Not true, this is what the Bible tells us-
https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/13-58.htm
Berean Study Bible
And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief.
Off you go to ignore you viper.
https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/13-58.htm
Berean Study Bible
And He did not do many miracles there, because of their unbelief.
Off you go to ignore you viper.