Stupid things 'Christians' do

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The very fact peter jens is now defending himself...when I NEVER mentionned his name in my above post addressing the evil spiritual nature of this thread is PROOF that he knows what he has done
I got to laugh. I mean really laugh. What are you trying to defend?
There are posts over a screen full written by you talking about me, at length with no content.
You do upset me, because I seriously find your approach odd, but you have decided I am evil. But I have done nothing against you. The worst you have is I said you are different from your husband. Lol. You should meet my wife, she is very different from me. So what are you? You try and spit but it misses. A sad state for anyone who claims to walk with Christ.

May the Lord forgive you, for you know not what you do. I truly hope the Lord breaks into your heart and plants love there, because somehow you have shut it out, I do not know why. I need that love and reassurance every day, Amen.
 
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I agree with most of this. Whoever said you aren't saved because you aren't a calvinist is pretty ridiculous. Denomination doesn't matter. Even some catholics are saved.
EternallyGrateful spent weeks saying I was not saved because I did not follow OSAS. I explained at length to him why I believed and what I believed which is somewhere between calvanism and armenianism, but he clung on to the fact if you do not believe in OSAS, you are insecure, and therefore are always falling in and out of salvation.

My point was though we stumble, we repent and sort ourselves out, but we are held in Jesus's love and grace all the time.
It is a concept of a child having a tantrum, but it does not stop the parent giving space to resolve issues. Like David with Bathsheba, he repented, and was not rejected by God, but it was real sin, and he did not feel out of fellowship, rather it was an outstanding issue that had to be worked through. But this is how relationships work, but many hyper-grace people look for markers to see the enemy everywhere and want to weed them out as their mission in life.
 
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says I'm dangerous
Dear reader, if you want page after page rant about you, suggest something Ember has said is wrong. Your whole christian existence will then be an open target, and you are a work of the devil. Welcome to blast the believer shootem up.

This is why I called ember dangerous, I think she missed the memo.
 
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You just need to stop

Why cant you stop?

I don't know why you started to attack me or why you state God told you to do it

You do know that was not God, right? Or why you made fun of my marriage asking if I was divorced

or why you addressed posts to other members in which you told them I had problems and to be careful etc etc

YOU starred this mess and I have asked you to please stop over and over

YOU write bizarre posts to me and say things like I have sealed my fate and I'm going to be sorry and the entire time I honestly do not know what you want

Whatever it is you think you are doing, IMO, its nasty and certainly not from God

I am asking you again to stop...you lie when you pretend you don't know what I am referring to

I posted your OWN words to me some pages back and you pretend you are innocent

YOU have been attacking me with personal comments for weeks now...ever since I came back after being away for almost 2 months

Do you actually think no one knows what you wrote or how you mocked my marriage?

You are nasty to many people here...but really seem to want to hurt me

what you are doing is NOT from God...He never told you anything about me

You seen to have some weird fantasy that you are a prophet and God tells you what to say

Its sickening and is designed to bully people

You bully others all day long here and then pretend you dont know why we ask you to stop

You are making this forun a bad place...you are the worst one in here by far!

Remember...I have asked you to stop and leave me alone over and over and instead you get worse and say God told you to harrass me

What Bible are you using? Certainly not any Bible the rest of us are using!
 
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You just need to stop
Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than human beings!"
Acts 5:29

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Matt 7:21-23

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Rev 3:20
 
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Ember,

Unfortunately your desire is to get rid of me. But your only weapon is to try and say how bad I have been to you.
It is all in your imagination, which is very vivid. May the Lord bless you that you find peace in Him.
 
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Dear reader, sorry guys for distracting, but if Ember could stop tirades, I might not have to make any comments.
That will be the day. I am not sure how I have become the worst victimisation of everyone, because the real antagonists get kicked off. And I am sure this has been tried against me, though I have done nothing and requested nothing done against anyone else.
 
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Therefore, you prostitute, hear the word of the Lord! This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Because you poured out your lust and exposed your naked body in your promiscuity with your lovers, and because of all your detestable idols, and because you gave them your children’s blood, therefore I am going to gather all your lovers, with whom you found pleasure, those you loved as well as those you hated. I will gather them against you from all around and will strip you in front of them, and they will see you stark naked. I will sentence you to the punishment of women who commit adultery and who shed blood; I will bring on you the blood vengeance of my wrath and jealous anger. Then I will deliver you into the hands of your lovers, and they will tear down your mounds and destroy your lofty shrines. They will strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry and leave you stark naked. They will bring a mob against you, who will stone you and hack you to pieces with their swords. They will burn down your houses and inflict punishment on you in the sight of many women. I will put a stop to your prostitution, and you will no longer pay your lovers. Then my wrath against you will subside and my jealous anger will turn away from you; I will be calm and no longer angry.
Ezekiel 16:35-42

This is what God did to Israel for prostituting her position in front of the other nations, and mixing her faith with theirs.
Will God do the same with His church, if they mix the gospel with the world?
 

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Here is a good video for those interested in the history of the Word Faith movement and the many heresies it stems from throughout history. You can choose to remain in the dark or you can at least listen to this if you don't have the inclination to study for yourselves. The video is from the YouTube channel "Reformed Apologetics Ministries" which features a wealth of knowledge, not only about Word Faith, but other subjects as well including Atheism, Catholicism, and Islam. The video cites a multitude of sources and rightfully uses scripture to support it's position. The video is right at 3 hours long so you may wish to listen in parts. I would recommend taking notes, looking into the sources cited, and using your notes as a starting point for your own studies. The channel also has a website with some articles and other information available, including links to their many video series on YouTube.

And he said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[video=youtube;qvC4lqaPgDo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvC4lqaPgDo[/video]
 

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Here is a good video for those interested in the history of the Word Faith movement and the many heresies it stems from throughout history. You can choose to remain in the dark or you can at least listen to this if you don't have the inclination to study for yourselves. The video is from the YouTube channel "Reformed Apologetics Ministries" which features a wealth of knowledge, not only about Word Faith, but other subjects as well including Atheism, Catholicism, and Islam. The video cites a multitude of sources and rightfully uses scripture to support it's position. The video is right at 3 hours long so you may wish to listen in parts. I would recommend taking notes, looking into the sources cited, and using your notes as a starting point for your own studies. The channel also has a website with some articles and other information available, including links to their many video series on YouTube.

And he said, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[video=youtube;qvC4lqaPgDo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvC4lqaPgDo[/video]


I have saved this video to watch later. Thanks for posting.
 

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I have saved this video to watch later. Thanks for posting.
No problem. You've already proven yourself to be quite studious and have a good reputation here for that. Perhaps it would be helpful if you come back with your opinion on the video, whether you agree or disagree with any parts of it.

Also, for everyone, the video on Islam is well worth the watch as well. It's called "The Sword and the Crescent".
 
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Here is a great video on the Holy Spirit and what the gospel is from a evangelists that walks in the gifts of the Holy Spirit when he preaches the gospel. People that don't believe in the manifestations ( aka gifts ) of the Holy Spirit will always be against the Spirit of grace and not even realize it. There are lots of miracles and healings the Lord does as this true evangelists preaches the gospel of the grace of Christ.

We have so watered down the true gospel with our humanistic reasoning and our dependence on ourselves and our own knowledge.

Millions have been saved in Africa and around the whole world by the true gospel being preached with signs following as the Lord works with them just as He said in Mark 16:20.

[video=youtube;xk3JKDNEPx0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk3JKDNEPx0[/video]
 
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I watched the whole thing.

He claims several times that Jesus saves. From what? He never explains. The word repent is absent from his vocabulary except at the end where he never explains what it is when a sinner's prayer is asked to be repeated.

Claims the Holy Spirit waits on man to speak before He can do anything and compares it to creation, claiming the Holy Spirit was waiting on the Word. The Holy Spirit does as He wills in man regardless of their allowance and why would God be waiting on God at creation? Was the Word too busy doing something else at creation and the Holy Spirit was hovering over the water twiddling His invisible thumbs wondering where the Word was? That's asinine.

Thinks we will see a whole generation saved. Probably latter rain heresy. -"It is important to note that the Assemblies of God deemed the Latter Rain Movement to contain heresy from the very beginning. On April 20, 1949, the Assemblies of God officially denounced Latter Rain teaching, nearly splitting the denomination in the process. Other established Pentecostal groups have passed similar resolutions."

Claims few to no sinners are in church. I would contest this and claim there are many sinners in church who are convinced they are saved but are not because THEY NEVER HEAR THE "ORIGINAL GOSPEL".

Claims it's good thing to be baptized with fire. Uses Matthew 3 (presumably; no exegesis of scripture whatsoever) as his proof text on fire baptism. Matthew 3 in context:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. [SUP]12 [/SUP]His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”


The fire in context here is a judgment on the unbelieving Pharisees. Parallel text is Luke 3 which confirms this. Even if this is a reference to the coming day of Pentecost, the cloven tongues of fire and speaking in tongues were still a sign of judgment on the unbelieving Jews. This man seems to be obsessed with fire.

He claims that:

His congregation is going to be dipped in the fire.

He says that fire will fall on his congregation soon. (Not sure I'd want God's fire falling on me. Sodom and Gomorrah would agree I think)

Jesus is here to baptize you into a river of fire

Has an online "school of fire"?

Says the Holy Spirit is a river of fire. Unfortunate for most, that river leads to the lake since they are under God's judgment.

He [Jesus] is ready to put his arm around you and dip you into that river of liquid fire.

He related a story where he says the whole place (people) was burning.

He says his congregation should be flammable for God.

He says you should be in the fire and the fire in you.

He asked his congregation if they are ready to be dipped in the fire.

He says the fire is going to fall here tonight because "Jesus is here".

He claims several times after that that Jesus is there.

Claims near the end that he is turning from the 99 and going for the one lost sheep. Without trying to read too much into this, this man isn't Jesus.

He claims that God can only use people who are on fire for Him. Funny, I recall many scriptures where Jesus used evil men for his good and glory. They obviously weren't on fire for Him. Not to mention his "proof" text for being on fire claims God is able of these rocks to raise up children unto Abraham. God doesn't need us. He is sovereign over all of creation.

Claims the bible is plain and easy to understand, saying a theologian isn't necessary. I would argue that the deeper wisdom in scripture requires intense and dedicated study and the layman would struggle with most of it. He basically undermines the fact that proper theology and doctrine are necessary for the believer with his statement and effectively turns them away from proper study and exegesis.

Absolutely ZERO exegesis of scripture. Never picked up his bible even once that I saw. Read from it only once. The scriptures he did mention were used incorrectly to back his own preconceptions.

His "original gospel" was never explained. Only talked about miracles and fire. I guess that was his "gospel" though. No explanation of repentance. Only two reference to the cross claiming Jesus saves, but again, no mention of repentance or saves from what. The rest was fire fire fire miracle miracle miracle. He did mention sin at the end, but in the context of being bound by satan. Very little to no accountability put on the unrepentant sinner. No mention of God's wrath abiding on them. No text of the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus apart from him appearing to the 500 and once dying on the cross with no explanation as to WHY he died other than to save them. Save them from what? Very shallow sermon completely devoid of exegesis of scripture. The Gospel wasn't preached here in full. Not even close.

Conclusion:
Overall his "gospel" message seemed to be that of being on fire, dipped in fire, fire falling on you, being flammable, miracles, more fire, more miracles, bound by sin, bound by satan. No accountability put on the sinner, overemphasis of some kind of fire from God, overemphasis of miracles, little to no mention of sin, no mention of the consequences of sin, no mention of the atonement, no mention of God's wrath abiding on the sinner who is an affront to God, claims of an entire generation of people being saved, and no exegesis. He didn't even use his bible.

The service ended with babbling tongues and no interpretation and not according to the order prescribed in Corinthians and then a prayer for miracles, signs, and wonders.

He had the congregation repeat a prayer at the end, but I bet most of them didn't even understand the concept of the words they were saying or what they really meant as they were saying it since the guy never explained any of it. They recited a prayer without being preached the Gospel behind the prayer. Most of these people will be false converts because they will put their faith in that prayer and have no understanding of the meaning behind it. They will remain dead in their sins.

Improper theology, improper presentation of the Gospel, improper exegesis.

We walk by faith, not by sight and an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

Matthew 7
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
 
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I watched the whole thing. But you must not have listened as well.

He claims several times that Jesus saves. From what? He never explains. The word repent is absent from his vocabulary except at the end where he never explains what it is when a sinner's prayer is asked to be repeated.

Claims the Holy Spirit waits on man to speak before He can do anything and compares it to creation, claiming the Holy Spirit was waiting on the Word. The Holy Spirit does as He wills in man regardless of their allowance and why would God be waiting on God at creation? Was the Word too busy doing something else at creation and the Holy Spirit was hovering over the water twiddling His invisible thumbs wondering where the Word was? That's asinine.

Thinks we will see a whole generation saved. Probably latter rain heresy. -"It is important to note that the Assemblies of God deemed the Latter Rain Movement to contain heresy from the very beginning. On April 20, 1949, the Assemblies of God officially denounced Latter Rain teaching, nearly splitting the denomination in the process. Other established Pentecostal groups have passed similar resolutions."

Claims few to no sinners are in church. I would contest this and claim there are many sinners in church who are convinced they are saved but are not because THEY NEVER HEAR THE "ORIGINAL GOSPEL".

Claims it's good thing to be baptized with fire. Uses Matthew 3 (presumably; no exegesis of scripture whatsoever) as his proof text on fire baptism. Matthew 3 in context:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. [SUP]12 [/SUP]His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”


The fire in context here is a judgment on the unbelieving Pharisees. Parallel text is Luke 3 which confirms this. Even if this is a reference to the coming day of Pentecost, the cloven tongues of fire and speaking in tongues were still a sign of judgment on the unbelieving Jews. This man seems to be obsessed with fire.

He claims that:

His congregation is going to be dipped in the fire.

He says that fire will fall on his congregation soon. (Not sure I'd want God's fire falling on me. Sodom and Gomorrah would agree I think)

Jesus is here to baptize you into a river of fire

Has an online "school of fire"?

Says the Holy Spirit is a river of fire. Unfortunate for most, that river leads to the lake since they are under God's judgment.

He [Jesus] is ready to put his arm around you and dip you into that river of liquid fire.

He related a story where he says the whole place (people) was burning.

He says his congregation should be flammable for God.

He says you should be in the fire and the fire in you.

He asked his congregation if they are ready to be dipped in the fire.

He says the fire is going to fall here tonight because "Jesus is here".

He claims several times after that that Jesus is there.

Claims near the end that he is turning from the 99 and going for the one lost sheep. Without trying to read too much into this, this man isn't Jesus.

He claims that God can only use people who are on fire for Him. Funny, I recall many scriptures where Jesus used evil men for his good and glory. They obviously weren't on fire for Him. Not to mention his "proof" text for being on fire claims God is able of these rocks to raise up children unto Abraham. God doesn't need us. He is sovereign over all of creation.

Claims the bible is plain and easy to understand, saying a theologian isn't necessary. I would argue that the deeper wisdom in scripture requires intense and dedicated study and the layman would struggle with most of it. He basically undermines the fact that proper theology and doctrine are necessary for the believer with his statement and effectively turns them away from proper study and exegesis.

Absolutely ZERO exegesis of scripture. Never picked up his bible even once that I saw. Read from it only once. The scriptures he did mention were used incorrectly to back his own preconceptions.

His "original gospel" was never explained. Only talked about miracles and fire. I guess that was his "gospel" though. No explanation of repentance. Only two reference to the cross claiming Jesus saves, but again, no mention of repentance or saves from what. The rest was fire fire fire miracle miracle miracle. He did mention sin at the end, but in the context of being bound by satan. Very little to no accountability put on the unrepentant sinner. No mention of God's wrath abiding on them. No text of the life, death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus apart from him appearing to the 500 and once dying on the cross with no explanation as to WHY he died other than to save them. Save them from what? Very shallow sermon completely devoid of exegesis of scripture. The Gospel wasn't preached here in full. Not even close.

Conclusion:
Overall his "gospel" message seemed to be that of being on fire, dipped in fire, fire falling on you, being flammable, miracles, more fire, more miracles, bound by sin, bound by satan. No accountability put on the sinner, overemphasis of some kind of fire from God, overemphasis of miracles, little to no mention of sin, no mention of the consequences of sin, no mention of the atonement, no mention of God's wrath abiding on the sinner who is an affront to God, claims of an entire generation of people being saved, and no exegesis. He didn't even use his bible.

The service ended with babbling tongues and no interpretation and not according to the order prescribed in Corinthians and then a prayer for miracles, signs, and wonders.

He had the congregation repeat a prayer at the end, but I bet most of them didn't even understand the concept of the words they were saying or what they really meant as they were saying it since the guy never explained any of it. They recited a prayer without being preached the Gospel behind the prayer. Most of these people will be false converts because they will put their faith in that prayer and have no understanding of the meaning behind it. They will remain dead in their sins.

Improper theology, improper presentation of the Gospel, improper exegesis.

We walk by faith, not by sight and an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign.

Matthew 7
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
I have said many times that you seem to only "selectively" hear, or perhaps you just don't hear at all. He actually opens with "REPENT". If you will click on the two-minute mark, at 2:02, you will hear the word you have such a need to hear.
 
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I have said many times that you seem to only "selectively" hear, or perhaps you just don't hear at all. He actually opens with "REPENT". If you will click on the two-minute mark, at 2:02, you will hear the word you have such a need to hear.
I said he used the word a couple times at the end of my note. He never explains it. He never preaches the Gospel. The points are still valid. I watched the whole thing and took notes as I watched. Anyone who watches it will see that I covered everything.
 
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Claims it's good thing to be baptized with fire. Uses Matthew 3 (presumably; no exegesis of scripture whatsoever) as his proof text on fire baptism. Matthew 3 in context:

The fire in context here is a judgment on the unbelieving Pharisees. Parallel text is Luke 3 which confirms this. Even if this is a reference to the coming day of Pentecost, the cloven tongues of fire and speaking in tongues were still a sign of judgment on the unbelieving Jews. This man seems to be obsessed with fire.
There's that obsession with fire they have. Michael Brown has the same thing with his Fire School of Ministry.

In Revelation, GOD's people are shown standing above fire (overcoming judgment), not baptized in it. The world (the sea) will be baptized in fire.

And I saw like a glassy sea mixed with fire, and those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name were standing upon the glassy sea, holding harps from God. Revelation 15:2
 
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He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.*12*His winnowing fan*is*in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor
 

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He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.*12*His winnowing fan*is*in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor


You stripped the passage of it's context.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. [SUP]12 [/SUP]His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

The fire baptism mentioned here is a bad thing.
 

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There's that obsession with fire they have. Michael Brown has the same thing with his Fire School of Ministry.

In Revelation, GOD's people are shown standing above fire (overcoming judgment), not baptized in it. The world (the sea) will be baptized in fire.
And I saw like a glassy sea mixed with fire, and those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name were standing upon the glassy sea, holding harps from God. Revelation 15:2
You'll notice that most signs and wonders chasers are obsessed with fire.