Suicide Unpardonable ? or RCC Nonsense?
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Time to give my 2 cents worth.. Only GOD knows whether people who commit suicide, go to hell or not. That isn't for any of us to wonder about or speculate on. Personally, I believe that when we die and God judges us, he WILL give us a chance to repent of any sin that we didn't have a chance to repent of while in this world. God knows each heart and mind, and I don't think he would send someone not fully in their mind, to hell. JMO 
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ACTUALLY THAT IS NOT THE CURRENT TEACHING OF THE RCC
Here's WHY
We, each and all of us are unable to make THAT particular call.
The condition of the mind of the suicide VICTIM is and can often be irrational, and illogical.
To DAMN oneself to hell for eternity requies controlled INTENT; not often, perhaps even usually missing in suicides.
FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
AMEN!
God Bless you
Patrick
Here's WHY
We, each and all of us are unable to make THAT particular call.
The condition of the mind of the suicide VICTIM is and can often be irrational, and illogical.
To DAMN oneself to hell for eternity requies controlled INTENT; not often, perhaps even usually missing in suicides.
FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
AMEN!
God Bless you
Patrick
Thank you for posting that again. It has been posted at least 3 times in this thread, and usually the one posting is quickly attacked for "promoting Catholicism".
Unfortunately, there are two or three folks that seem to think that having a discussion or dialogue with a Catholic is putting us on that slippery slope to perdition... and that we have to slam them for every belief they have, as if we are going to get them to "recant" their heresy, or put a torch to the bonfire.
I believe that the forum rules only prohibit trying to promote a different religion here, not the simple participation in discussions.
Either way, it should be safe to say that the idea that "the RCC states that anyone that commits suicide goes to hell" has been shown as being NOT true.
We should be able to get back to the original topic now, I would think.
It would be interesting to hear what those of the Jewish faith would say about suicide...
Unfortunately, there are two or three folks that seem to think that having a discussion or dialogue with a Catholic is putting us on that slippery slope to perdition... and that we have to slam them for every belief they have, as if we are going to get them to "recant" their heresy, or put a torch to the bonfire.
I believe that the forum rules only prohibit trying to promote a different religion here, not the simple participation in discussions.
Either way, it should be safe to say that the idea that "the RCC states that anyone that commits suicide goes to hell" has been shown as being NOT true.
We should be able to get back to the original topic now, I would think.
It would be interesting to hear what those of the Jewish faith would say about suicide...
Have you noticed all the #CC's of the Catholic Church is based on what men think and teach?
Very few actually quote Scriptures and when they do they twist the meaning of the Scriptures to fit their Philosophy, not what God says.
Face it the Catholic Church was founded on a lie that the Apostle Peter was a Pope and is still lying today by proclaiming Mary was sinless. Through out History the Catholic Church has always been a false church.
Very few actually quote Scriptures and when they do they twist the meaning of the Scriptures to fit their Philosophy, not what God says.
Face it the Catholic Church was founded on a lie that the Apostle Peter was a Pope and is still lying today by proclaiming Mary was sinless. Through out History the Catholic Church has always been a false church.
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Once you MISS the Power and Authority of "The Key's"; everything else becomes incomprehensible.
My friend, are you aware of precisely WHY you can hold such a position?
By Not being able {literally} to rightly understand the bible it seems too easy to dismiss Catholic teachings. The Bible BTW is a Catholic Book.
Please take careful note of the SINGULAR TENSE words chosen by our GOD.
Until the 16th Century the ONLY recognized "Christians" were in fact; Catholic-Christians. The ONLT Christian faith beliefs recognized as being “God Breathed” were those of that same CC. …. So WHAT happened {with evidence please} to change this dynamic?
It is the CC whose early Fathers choose, Inspired by the Holy Spirit, the 46 books to be included; and it was the Early Catholics Fathers who actually authored the entire New Testament; further it was that very same Catholic Church {singular: “MY CHURCH” Mt. 16:18} desired, chosen and Instituted by Jesus {GOD} who guides infallibility Her teachings on Faith and Morals FROM that very bible.
Because Protestants fail to acknowledge the Powers and Authority of “all of the keys’ to heaven”, there are unable to grasp that GOD, as promised until the end of time, to PROTECT and Guide Her Faith and Moral teachings with HIS seal of infallibility.
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Timothy 3:16-17
16] All scripture, {is} inspired of God, {and} is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.
Matthew 10:1-8
1]” And having called his twelve disciples together, HE GAVE THEM POWER over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. [2] And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, [3] James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, [4] Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. [5] These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not. [6] But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [7] And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. [8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give”
Then we find Jesus choosing to establish HIS Catholic {the term means “universal” and was first used in 110 AD}, and to place Peter as the Head of it. {Every organization needs a Leader, a CEO}
Matthew 16:18—19
[18] “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon {YOU} this rock I will build my church, {singular**} and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19]And I will give to YOU {all of implied} the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever YOU shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever YOU shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”
“”Singular” means by absolute necessity just one set of Faith beliefs. Nothing else is even a logical and moral possibility {one cannot separate a church from THAT churches one set of faith beliefs}
John 17: 17-20
[17]” Sanctify THEM in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast SENT ME into the world, I HAVE ALSO SENT THEM into the world. [19] And FOR THEM do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me” ***
*** Here Jesus commits Himself as PERSONAL warranty of His CC being in an absolute sense, being UNABLE to teach in error on matters of Faith beliefs and Morals.
NO OTHER CHURCH, NO OTHER FAITH CAN MAKE THIS CLAIM AND SUPPORT IT WITH EVIDENCE.
Matthew 28: 18-20
And then to cement His Wish, His plan, His Method for man’s POSSIBLE salvation; Jesus does this:
[18] And Jesus coming, SPOKE TO THEM, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [19] Going therefore, teach YOU all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world.
My friend, without having the willingness to accept these teachings; right understanding of the bible is impossible, and thus we have today thousands of differing sets of faith beliefs and churches, all claiming {I presume} to be teaching Christ One TRUE set of faith beliefs, because more than one is a logical and moral impossibility. Amen!
God Bless you
Patrick
My friend, are you aware of precisely WHY you can hold such a position?
By Not being able {literally} to rightly understand the bible it seems too easy to dismiss Catholic teachings. The Bible BTW is a Catholic Book.
Please take careful note of the SINGULAR TENSE words chosen by our GOD.
Until the 16th Century the ONLY recognized "Christians" were in fact; Catholic-Christians. The ONLT Christian faith beliefs recognized as being “God Breathed” were those of that same CC. …. So WHAT happened {with evidence please} to change this dynamic?
It is the CC whose early Fathers choose, Inspired by the Holy Spirit, the 46 books to be included; and it was the Early Catholics Fathers who actually authored the entire New Testament; further it was that very same Catholic Church {singular: “MY CHURCH” Mt. 16:18} desired, chosen and Instituted by Jesus {GOD} who guides infallibility Her teachings on Faith and Morals FROM that very bible.
Because Protestants fail to acknowledge the Powers and Authority of “all of the keys’ to heaven”, there are unable to grasp that GOD, as promised until the end of time, to PROTECT and Guide Her Faith and Moral teachings with HIS seal of infallibility.
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Timothy 3:16-17
16] All scripture, {is} inspired of God, {and} is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.
Matthew 10:1-8
1]” And having called his twelve disciples together, HE GAVE THEM POWER over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. [2] And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, [3] James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, [4] Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. [5] These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not. [6] But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [7] And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. [8] Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give”
Then we find Jesus choosing to establish HIS Catholic {the term means “universal” and was first used in 110 AD}, and to place Peter as the Head of it. {Every organization needs a Leader, a CEO}
Matthew 16:18—19
[18] “And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon {YOU} this rock I will build my church, {singular**} and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19]And I will give to YOU {all of implied} the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever YOU shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever YOU shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”
“”Singular” means by absolute necessity just one set of Faith beliefs. Nothing else is even a logical and moral possibility {one cannot separate a church from THAT churches one set of faith beliefs}
John 17: 17-20
[17]” Sanctify THEM in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast SENT ME into the world, I HAVE ALSO SENT THEM into the world. [19] And FOR THEM do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me” ***
*** Here Jesus commits Himself as PERSONAL warranty of His CC being in an absolute sense, being UNABLE to teach in error on matters of Faith beliefs and Morals.
NO OTHER CHURCH, NO OTHER FAITH CAN MAKE THIS CLAIM AND SUPPORT IT WITH EVIDENCE.
Matthew 28: 18-20
And then to cement His Wish, His plan, His Method for man’s POSSIBLE salvation; Jesus does this:
[18] And Jesus coming, SPOKE TO THEM, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [19] Going therefore, teach YOU all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. [20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded YOU: and behold I am with YOU all days, even to the consummation of the world.
My friend, without having the willingness to accept these teachings; right understanding of the bible is impossible, and thus we have today thousands of differing sets of faith beliefs and churches, all claiming {I presume} to be teaching Christ One TRUE set of faith beliefs, because more than one is a logical and moral impossibility. Amen!
God Bless you
Patrick
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The Rock in Matthew 16:18-19 is not Peter.
In the original Greek it is. "Thou art Petros [a little piece of rock], and upon this petra [bedrock] I will build my church. Now who exactly is the Rock? The Rock is Christ. The church is built upon Christ.
I find it very evil of the Catholics to misinterpret this verse to justify their claim its the Catholic Church that is the church that Jesus Christ built. SHAME on you working4christ2!
Clearly The Holy Spirit in this verse used two different Greek words for Rock.
The keys were used to 'bind' and 'lose' on earth and Heaven.
Matthew 18:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
Here Jesus is talking to ALL the Disciples, not just Peter. Jesus gave all of them the power to bind and lose, not just Peter.
Why working4christ2 are you telling the lies of the Catholic Church? Do you even have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? From what you have posted here and other threads i can tell you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Have you working4christ2 ever considered accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before you die in your sins? You really need to consider it.
In the original Greek it is. "Thou art Petros [a little piece of rock], and upon this petra [bedrock] I will build my church. Now who exactly is the Rock? The Rock is Christ. The church is built upon Christ.
I find it very evil of the Catholics to misinterpret this verse to justify their claim its the Catholic Church that is the church that Jesus Christ built. SHAME on you working4christ2!
Clearly The Holy Spirit in this verse used two different Greek words for Rock.
The keys were used to 'bind' and 'lose' on earth and Heaven.
Matthew 18:18
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
Here Jesus is talking to ALL the Disciples, not just Peter. Jesus gave all of them the power to bind and lose, not just Peter.
Why working4christ2 are you telling the lies of the Catholic Church? Do you even have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? From what you have posted here and other threads i can tell you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Have you working4christ2 ever considered accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before you die in your sins? You really need to consider it.
W
Thank you, your wrong but thank you.
ANY serious study of the bible understands the fallacy of your point.
[1] In BRIEF the Greek terms you share are GENDER sensitive: CERTAINLY Jesus {GOD} woild not refer to Peter in the feminine gender.
[2] JESUS SPOKE Aramaic NOT GREEK, and in that language the ONLY translations for Peter is ROCK
I have a document with 50 BIBLICAL PETER First teaching that supports the CC position
GBY
ANY serious study of the bible understands the fallacy of your point.
[1] In BRIEF the Greek terms you share are GENDER sensitive: CERTAINLY Jesus {GOD} woild not refer to Peter in the feminine gender.
[2] JESUS SPOKE Aramaic NOT GREEK, and in that language the ONLY translations for Peter is ROCK
I have a document with 50 BIBLICAL PETER First teaching that supports the CC position
GBY
R
Lets read this verse...to see who is "The Rock"....John 1 verse 42 KJV
"And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus beheld him, he said, THOU ART SIMON( PETER) the son of Jona. Thou shalt be called Cephas, WHICH BY
INRTPRETATION A STONE"....Jesus is THE ROCK, and Peter is THE STONE" Thank God for his Truth!!
"And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus beheld him, he said, THOU ART SIMON( PETER) the son of Jona. Thou shalt be called Cephas, WHICH BY
INRTPRETATION A STONE"....Jesus is THE ROCK, and Peter is THE STONE" Thank God for his Truth!!
R
As a Former Catholic, who God showered his Mercy on in 1987, to call me out and show me his truth in his word. Out of 35 immediate Family Members
In my blood related family...God called only me out to unfold the blindness i was locked in for Many, Many Years.. My heart goes out to all Non Beleivers, Catholics most especially. My Family are Sold out, and beleive what The RCC through their Man Made doctrines, and Idolatry, and Traditions.
Jesus Christ died at Calvary to give us freedom from all that...His Spirit dwells within those who serve him in Spirit and in TRUTH.
I pray for my Family and all those mentally and spirituallty in bondage
In my blood related family...God called only me out to unfold the blindness i was locked in for Many, Many Years.. My heart goes out to all Non Beleivers, Catholics most especially. My Family are Sold out, and beleive what The RCC through their Man Made doctrines, and Idolatry, and Traditions.
Jesus Christ died at Calvary to give us freedom from all that...His Spirit dwells within those who serve him in Spirit and in TRUTH.
I pray for my Family and all those mentally and spirituallty in bondage
I commend your charity towards others in regards to their Catholic Christian or Jewish beliefs. I however would never recommend to any of my Jewish friends that they come to this forum for any sort of theological discussion. This forum community is mostly extremely hostile towards 'others'. Always has been, unfortunately.
Anyway, the subject of this discussion highlights from the start the misconceptions of the OP and others regarding the Catholic teaching on the gravity of the act of suicide. Those questions were answered multiple times and largely ignored in favor of the usual and senseless mob-style Catholic bashing, which was the intent of this thread to begin with.
Peace
Anyway, the subject of this discussion highlights from the start the misconceptions of the OP and others regarding the Catholic teaching on the gravity of the act of suicide. Those questions were answered multiple times and largely ignored in favor of the usual and senseless mob-style Catholic bashing, which was the intent of this thread to begin with.
Peace
W
ANY serious study of the bible understands the fallacy of your point.
[1] In BRIEF the Greek terms you share are GENDER sensitive: CERTAINLY Jesus {GOD} woild not refer to Peter in the feminine gender.
[2] JESUS SPOKE Aramaic NOT GREEK, and in that language the ONLY translations for Peter is ROCK
I have a document with 50 BIBLICAL PETER First teaching that supports the CC position
GBY
Eph. 2: 19-22 " [19] Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners; but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and the domestics of God, [20] Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone: [21] In whom all the building, being framed together, groweth up into an holy temple SINGULAR in the Lord.[22] In whom you also are built together into an habitation {SINGULAR]of God in the Spir
Go to STRONGS lexicon of Greek and Hebrew and Them SEARCH "Peter"
You'll discover that both show PETER meaning ROCK, FURTHER Jesus Spoke Aramaic; NOT Greek and the ONLY definition in THAT language for Peter is ROCK.
GBY
R
What You Stated about what Jesus stated to his disciples was Spot on.
The problem is, Jesus was not speaking literally. "Drinking My Blood" and "Eat The Flesh" is not literal rather he was soeaking as Type and Shadow.
Only Wherewoves or crazy people drink blood, and dearaged Zombie may eat real flesh...
Jesus died and shed his precious sinless, Holy Blood for all of us..he is speaking about those covered in his blood at Water Baptism to "Drink" of his Word, and cling to only him for salvation...Same with "Eat my Flesh". He sacrificed his fleshly body same way.
So Eating a Wafer is'nt going to get the job done. You have to follow the Doctrine of His Apostles to be saved.
(Read Acts 2 verse 42/ I Timothy 4 verse 16)..Amen!
The problem is, Jesus was not speaking literally. "Drinking My Blood" and "Eat The Flesh" is not literal rather he was soeaking as Type and Shadow.
Only Wherewoves or crazy people drink blood, and dearaged Zombie may eat real flesh...
Jesus died and shed his precious sinless, Holy Blood for all of us..he is speaking about those covered in his blood at Water Baptism to "Drink" of his Word, and cling to only him for salvation...Same with "Eat my Flesh". He sacrificed his fleshly body same way.
So Eating a Wafer is'nt going to get the job done. You have to follow the Doctrine of His Apostles to be saved.
(Read Acts 2 verse 42/ I Timothy 4 verse 16)..Amen!
Actually the Manuscripts were written in Greek, not Aramaic. it was the Holy Spirit that wrote them in Greek. None of the Scriptures were ever written in Aramaic. They were all written in Greek. Also Jesus spoke all the Languages of that time period. Jesus even spoke Latin to the Romans.
Jesus is the Corner Stone and Jesus is the Church, not Peter. You can try to deceive the Elect of God but you cannot deceive us because we have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
What are you going to do when you see Jesus appear in the Clouds with a sword ready to cut you in pieces?
You really need to reconsider accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Jesus is the Corner Stone and Jesus is the Church, not Peter. You can try to deceive the Elect of God but you cannot deceive us because we have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
What are you going to do when you see Jesus appear in the Clouds with a sword ready to cut you in pieces?
You really need to reconsider accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
R
Let's read all the following verses pertaining unto ROCK, and you'll see what it really means.
(1) Psalm 18 v 2/Psalm 18 verse 31/Psalm 28 verse 1/Psalm 31 v 3/Psalm 42 verse 9
And at least 25 more verses to Prove God/ Jesus is "The Rock"
The Bible clearly tells us There is Only ONE GOD, ONE LORD. Jesus is both ..please verify here..Acts 9 verses 4 & 5: "And he fell to earth (Apostle Paul)
And heard a voice saying unto him, "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?"
"And he said , WHO ART THOU LORD? AND THE LORD SAID I AM JESUS WHOM THOU PERCUTEST............."
Interesting When you get into reading the Word of God daily a light comes on, and you no longer have to beleive stories from a church, but get to know the real truth...can I get a Witness??
(1) Psalm 18 v 2/Psalm 18 verse 31/Psalm 28 verse 1/Psalm 31 v 3/Psalm 42 verse 9
And at least 25 more verses to Prove God/ Jesus is "The Rock"
The Bible clearly tells us There is Only ONE GOD, ONE LORD. Jesus is both ..please verify here..Acts 9 verses 4 & 5: "And he fell to earth (Apostle Paul)
And heard a voice saying unto him, "Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?"
"And he said , WHO ART THOU LORD? AND THE LORD SAID I AM JESUS WHOM THOU PERCUTEST............."
Interesting When you get into reading the Word of God daily a light comes on, and you no longer have to beleive stories from a church, but get to know the real truth...can I get a Witness??
You sound like the Jews who were offended by our Lord's instruction, RBA, and so turned away from Jesus and no longer followed him.
Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?"
From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
- John 6
Pity.
If you deny this teaching then you also have no life in you.
Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."
On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you?"
From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
- John 6
Pity.
If you deny this teaching then you also have no life in you.
W
And that IS WHY AANY THOUSANDS gave their life's IN horrid, PAINFUL DEATHS.
Can we agree that Jesus; GOD is pretty smart????
John 6:47-58
"[47]Amen, amen I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54]Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
DOUAY BIBLE EXPLANATION [54] Eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood: To receive the body and blood of Christ, is a divine precept, insinuated in this text; which the faithful fulfil, though they receive but in one kind; because in one kind they receive both body and blood, which cannot be separated from each other. Hence, life eternal is here promised to the worthy receiving, though but in one kind. Ver. 52. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh for the life of the world. Ver. 58. He that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. Ver. 59. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
So friend, Jesus /GOD misspoke?
Jesus/ GOD could find OTHER WORDS IF He didn't mean what he said???
The Bible is just WRONG???
Friend, GOOGLE "Eucharistic Miracles"
2nd Timothy 3: 16-17
[16] All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.
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Can we agree that Jesus; GOD is pretty smart????
John 6:47-58
"[47]Amen, amen I say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life. [49] Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54]Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
DOUAY BIBLE EXPLANATION [54] Eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood: To receive the body and blood of Christ, is a divine precept, insinuated in this text; which the faithful fulfil, though they receive but in one kind; because in one kind they receive both body and blood, which cannot be separated from each other. Hence, life eternal is here promised to the worthy receiving, though but in one kind. Ver. 52. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh for the life of the world. Ver. 58. He that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. Ver. 59. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.[56] For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
So friend, Jesus /GOD misspoke?
Jesus/ GOD could find OTHER WORDS IF He didn't mean what he said???
The Bible is just WRONG???
Friend, GOOGLE "Eucharistic Miracles"
2nd Timothy 3: 16-17
[16] All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.
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Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God[/TD]
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[TD]Matthew 4:4
Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every wordthat proceedeth from the mouth of God[/TD]
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