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ok commiting sucide maybe a sin but doesnt God forgive sins ? and also God says he will never leave us nor forsake us so he inst gonna turn his back on us cause he is a loving God 
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ok commiting sucide maybe a sin but doesnt God forgive sins ? and also God says he will never leave us nor forsake us so he inst gonna turn his back on us cause he is a loving God
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yep thats what i meant like some one could kill 100 people and God isnt gonna love them less that he loves some one who does little wrong
like we are accountable for our actions but to God a small sin is the same as a big sin. and watchmen i dont believe that u have never lied . and sorry but in God's eyes lying is the same as mudering
like we are accountable for our actions but to God a small sin is the same as a big sin. and watchmen i dont believe that u have never lied . and sorry but in God's eyes lying is the same as mudering
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There's that judging again watchmen. You are in for a heap of trouble unless you repent pronto. The day of the Lord is at hand, know ye not? You lead others astray with your ideas of men, you are deceived more than most here. Don't harden your heart to this message, you are being given a last warning and mercy.
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Then what was the blood of Christ for? It covers everything! Not just a little here, a little there....EVERYTHING!
Besides, IF you have the Holy Spirit in you, your conscience is seared by such things, you don't want to do them anymore. And if by your own determined free will, you stumble and fall, God WILL NOT CONDEMN YOU to hell for it.
No man will snatch them, not one, from His hand. You are sealed by the blood of the Lamb FOREVER.
Selah.
Besides, IF you have the Holy Spirit in you, your conscience is seared by such things, you don't want to do them anymore. And if by your own determined free will, you stumble and fall, God WILL NOT CONDEMN YOU to hell for it.
No man will snatch them, not one, from His hand. You are sealed by the blood of the Lamb FOREVER.
Selah.
Lauren that's a very good point. There's different kinds of sin, willful disobedience, and sins in weakness. I think God will judge the heart of any suiciding christian. I guess all suicide falls under the sin in weakness category, who in their right mind would want to willfully kill themself?
However, that said, suicide has traditionally been regarded as a mortal sin I think , Catholics?. There are early church writings (non-canonical of course), which prescribe suiciders being in hell punished for their sin.
The only example in the bible of a former christian committing suicide going to hell is Judas Iscariot. But he went there not because of suicide but because he was the son of perdition. If letting christians know that suicide may result in them going to hell, prevents them somehow from doing it, then I guess it's a positive thing to believe in.
Scripture also says, no murderer has eternal life abiding in them, and that's even just talking about hate not the actual act:
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Maybe then suicide shows they didn't have eternal life and weren't truly saved in the first place? That makes more sense to me I guess. A person who knows God loves God and loves their own life and body. They usually have a sound mind and want to please God in everything. Something to think about.
However, that said, suicide has traditionally been regarded as a mortal sin I think , Catholics?. There are early church writings (non-canonical of course), which prescribe suiciders being in hell punished for their sin.
The only example in the bible of a former christian committing suicide going to hell is Judas Iscariot. But he went there not because of suicide but because he was the son of perdition. If letting christians know that suicide may result in them going to hell, prevents them somehow from doing it, then I guess it's a positive thing to believe in.
Scripture also says, no murderer has eternal life abiding in them, and that's even just talking about hate not the actual act:
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Maybe then suicide shows they didn't have eternal life and weren't truly saved in the first place? That makes more sense to me I guess. A person who knows God loves God and loves their own life and body. They usually have a sound mind and want to please God in everything. Something to think about.
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I don't want to debate whether someone that kills themselves could "truly" be a Christian, but I will address the thing about Judas.
The Bible alludes more than once to the fact that Judas was not a saved follower, just a follower.
John 6:64 - 64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
John 18:9 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
The Bible alludes more than once to the fact that Judas was not a saved follower, just a follower.
John 6:64 - 64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
John 18:9 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Yes, but remember that was with the benefit of hindsight, and the hindsight we have of the situation. If Judas was lost, as it says in John 18:9, then logically he must first have had to be found.
While Judas walked with them, none of the disciples knew any different of him. He was counted a christian like them all. He was granted to be an apostle like the others and perform miracles as Jesus gave him authority to do so. He stuck with Christ even when many other disciples walked no longer. But that's the thing with tares and wheat, they look very much alike. The life of Judas has raised much controversy in christian and secular circles about the apparent conflicts between God's sovereignty and williness for all men to be saved and whether in fact Judas was eventually saved and ina way doing God's will by betraying Christ. But I don't personally believe that.
But I think scripture teaches, that the story of Judas is not about an evil vile sinner possessed with satan and intent on betraying him from the beginning. But a man who was chosen and called by Christ to be a disciple, and hold the office of an apostle, became a close friend of Christ, yet had unresolved sin in his life (thieving) and was unfortunately foreknown to be the one who would betray Christ as prophesied in the old testament. Yes, I said foreknown, not predestined - I'm not Calvinistic . I believe scripture finds its fulfillment with Judas not in a predestination decree , but in a pre-revealed foreknowledge of God through the prophets in the old testament. So basically it's about betrayal by someone who turns away from the friendship they once had with Christ, as Psalm 41 says about Judas:
Psa 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
The fact that the Psalmist calls Judas a familiar friend, I think indicates Judas was saved, at least for the time he was friends with Christ. I think Christ saves His friends, but if they become His enemies, He's not obliged to save them. That's what I think. But others may say that this friendship was only surface level and not genuine. But I think Christ would have known that from the beginning.
While Judas walked with them, none of the disciples knew any different of him. He was counted a christian like them all. He was granted to be an apostle like the others and perform miracles as Jesus gave him authority to do so. He stuck with Christ even when many other disciples walked no longer. But that's the thing with tares and wheat, they look very much alike. The life of Judas has raised much controversy in christian and secular circles about the apparent conflicts between God's sovereignty and williness for all men to be saved and whether in fact Judas was eventually saved and ina way doing God's will by betraying Christ. But I don't personally believe that.
But I think scripture teaches, that the story of Judas is not about an evil vile sinner possessed with satan and intent on betraying him from the beginning. But a man who was chosen and called by Christ to be a disciple, and hold the office of an apostle, became a close friend of Christ, yet had unresolved sin in his life (thieving) and was unfortunately foreknown to be the one who would betray Christ as prophesied in the old testament. Yes, I said foreknown, not predestined - I'm not Calvinistic
. I believe scripture finds its fulfillment with Judas not in a predestination decree , but in a pre-revealed foreknowledge of God through the prophets in the old testament. So basically it's about betrayal by someone who turns away from the friendship they once had with Christ, as Psalm 41 says about Judas:Psa 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
The fact that the Psalmist calls Judas a familiar friend, I think indicates Judas was saved, at least for the time he was friends with Christ. I think Christ saves His friends, but if they become His enemies, He's not obliged to save them. That's what I think. But others may say that this friendship was only surface level and not genuine. But I think Christ would have known that from the beginning.
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