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[cv5]

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Believe what you will - special punishment - you need to quit making stuff up. There is nothing to tie the "treatment" of Jews to the "sheep and goats" Judgement.

What he did say is the "least of these my brethren" which were his believing followers not some unbelieving Jew.

Yer theology is a mess man.

Hmmmmm food for thought. I am conducting a review on this matter now.

The Final Judgment
Matt 25

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.

(this is the Second Coming manifestation)

Joel 3:1–3 (NIV)

3 “In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat.
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,

https://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/the-sheep-and-goat-judgment-matt-2531-46/

This sheep and goat judgment event is post-Rapture.....so who exactly is being judged???

 

[cv5]

The oracles of God and several other things came through the natural Jews.

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Eternal Gospel in theory goes back to Adam.....

 

[cv5]

well, just like all the other threads you have either started or participated in, your views are not new

God is not done with Israel and there are many many verses you ignore or re-interpret to come to that conclusion

don't assume things about others in order to try and swing them in your direction; nothing has changed other than newer members who have not had the pleasure

oh of course God is done with Israel
Question: do they teach this doctrine at your Church?

 

[PennEd]

Here's where you said it... If you are in Christ you are a Jew. And I totally agree with that, I am a spiritual Jew but I'm not a natural Jew. Two Jews - one spiritual the other natural.

You fail to recognize the distinction between the Gentile Church, and Israel. That Jesus Himself distinguishes.

The Brethren Jesus is referring to at the Sheep and goat judgement is His BLOOD brethren.

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of THESE MY BRETHREN, you did it to Me.’ (WHO IS JESUS POINTING TO?)

Think how silly it would have been for Jesus to say " Hey, you my brethren, assuredly I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of THESE MY BRETHREN"

Jesus makes a clear distinction between the Gentile Nations and His Blood Brethren Israel.

You and others are so steeped in your replacement theology you are blind. That dang pesky nation, established in 1948, keeps poking a finger in your eyes. Yup, they are mostly either atheistic, or extreme legalists, but there is going to be a remnant at that Sheep and goat judgement.

 

[cv5]

That does not nullify the physical promise to Abraham. Do you not think God is not dealing with all mankind when He comes back to earth?

No doubt about that.....

Jeremiah 30

“And it shall come to pass in that day, declares the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off your neck, and I will burst your bonds, and foreigners shall no more make a servant of him.a
9But they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
10“Then fear not, O Jacob my servant, declares the Lord,
nor be dismayed, O Israel;
for behold, I will save you from far away,
and your offspring from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return and have quiet and ease,
and none shall make him afraid.
11For I am with you to save you,
declares the Lord;
I will make a full end of all the nations
among whom I scattered you,
but of you I will not make a full end.
I will discipline you in just measure,
and I will by no means leave you unpunished.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

How many people on this thread really believe that God is going to take the kingdom from the elect (spiritual Israel) and give it back to unregenerate, unsaved, God hating flesh descendants of Israel? If you believe that he will, where is that found in scripture?

I don't think anyone believes that

if that is what you are worried about, don't

frankly I do not see anyone saying that

 

[UnderGrace]

You and others are so steeped in your replacement theology you are blind. That dang pesky nation, established in 1948, keeps poking a finger in your eyes. Yup, they are mostly either atheistic, or extreme legalists, but there is going to be a remnant at that Sheep and goat judgement.

Do you believe that those who are in Israel are actually descendants (bloodline Jews) of Abraham?

 

[PennEd]

Do you believe that those who are in Israel are actually descendants (bloodline Jews) of Abraham?

I do. Yeah I've heard the "they're not real Jews" stuff before. I think it's ridiculous. Many of them came directly from the Holocaust. Why would anyone claim to be a Jew in 30s and 40s Europe?
But a very small percentage are what we would call Messianic Jews. The rest are mostly atheistic and extreme legalist group now. And I think 2 out of every 3 are going to be killed.

Some will come to Jesus. I think that's the main point of God pouring out His wrath. To redeem His people in Israel.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's winter, not summer.. lol

 

[cv5]

Do you believe that those who are in Israel are actually descendants (bloodline Jews) of Abraham?

I wouldn't get too fussy on bloodlines. Joseph had 2 children by his Egyptian wife Asenath….. Ephraim and Manasseh. The Davidic line has both Rahab and Ruth integrated. I have no solution to offer, but I would not worry about this supposed problem.

 

[UnderGrace]

I do. Yeah I've heard the "they're not real Jews" stuff before. I think it's ridiculous. Many of them came directly from the Holocaust. Why would anyone claim to be a Jew in 30s and 40s Europe?
But a very small percentage are what we would call Messianic Jews. The rest are mostly atheistic and extreme legalist group now. And I think 2 out of every 3 are going to be killed.

Some will come to Jesus. I think that's the main point of God pouring out His wrath. To redeem His people in Israel.

Just wondering, I have looked at some of the information regarding the lineage of present day Jews, it is very interesting.
If I have time I will post some things I have read
Obviously, nothing can be really proven, but it does cause me to wonder.

 

[UnderGrace]

I wouldn't get too fussy on bloodlines. Joseph had 2 children by his Egyptian wife Asenath….. Ephraim and Manasseh. The Davidic line has both Rahab and Ruth integrated. I have no solution to offer, but I would not worry about this supposed problem.

I am not worried ...it is just interesting to me some of the information available now, that was not so available before.

 

[Locutus]

I am not worried ...it is just interesting to me some of the information available now, that was not so available before.

The information has been around since Isaiah wrote:


Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

 

[UnderGrace]

The information has been around since Isaiah wrote:


Isa 65:15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

Actually I was thinking more of this......

Rev. 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

God called out of the nation Israel, His people to work His will......a holy people set aside for Him. David, Deborah, Samuel, etc. and others were not of His chosen ones, but were there to also do His will.

Quick question. Do you know how long the siege of Jerusalem lasted in AD70?

Quick question. Do you know how long the siege of Jerusalem lasted in AD70?

If you didn't get an answer to your question ....the seige of Jerusalem lasted about 6 months with the entire campaign against the Jewish rebels ending in 73 AD with the defeat of the Jews at Masada.

 

[UnderGrace]

It's winter, not summer.. lol

But it would be nice if it was summer...

 

[Deade]

Just wondering, I have looked at some of the information regarding the lineage of present day Jews, it is very interesting.
If I have time I will post some things I have read
Obviously, nothing can be really proven, but it does cause me to wonder.

Yeah but UnderGrace God is not necessarily behind the establishment in 1948. Sure God has to allow it, but their taking the name Israel is just not kosher. The name belonged to the sons of Joseph: (Gen. 48:16) Ephraim and Manasseh which were carried off in 721 BCE. They were called Judah when they last had a king over them. They should still use that name because God speaks differently of Israel and Judah. I am sure the devil is in the details there.