Sunday - the first day of the week

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Shiloah

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by Golly you're just such a clever gal:)

How do you know that you are celebrating on the right day?

"How did it begin? When Adam was banished from Eden on the first Friday afternoon of Creation, he rested that first Shabbat. He then counted six days and again rested on the seventh. Ever since, his offspring in many parts of the world have emulated this practice, living their lives by a seven-day week."

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you got that in your Bible Shiloah?

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How Do We Know Which Day is Shabbat?
By Menachem Posner

In the Bible it says to rest on the seventh day of the week, because G‑d created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Today Christians rest on Sunday, Muslims rest on Friday, and Jews rest on Saturday. How do you know that you are celebrating on the right day?

Answer:

Your very question was dealt with by the Midrash Rabbah, a compilation close to 2,000 years old.

We were first commanded to keep Shabbat in the desert shortly after we left Egypt. How did we know when to keep it? In Exodus 17, we are told that during our journey in the desert, manna fell every day except for one—the Shabbat. So what did we eat then? A double portion fell every Friday so that we would have what to eat the next day as well. On the first Friday after the manna began to fall, the people were surprised to see so much manna—double that which they had received on each of the past five days. When they came to ask Moses about this phenomenon, he revealed that the next day would be the Shabbat and that no manna would fall at all.

The actual wording of G‑d's message to Moses and the Jewish People is "See that G‑d has given to you the Shabbat." The Midrash points out that the word used is "see" and not "know." It explains:

This is what G‑d was saying to them: "If the idolaters will come to you and ask, 'Why do you make the Shabbat day on this day?' you will tell them, 'See, the manna does not fall on the Shabbat.'"

For the next 40 years we had a weekly reminder of the Shabbat every time the manna did not fall. Since then, we have continued to keep count and will continue to do so for the rest of time.

Rabbi Yehuda Halevi in his 12th century classic, "The Kuzari," points to an earlier source for the universally accepted week. He points to the striking fact that the vast majority of the world keeps a seven-day week—evidence that this must be a very ancient custom indeed. How did it begin? When Adam was banished from Eden on the first Friday afternoon of Creation, he rested that first Shabbat. He then counted six days and again rested on the seventh. Ever since, his offspring in many parts of the world have emulated this practice, living their lives by a seven-day week.

How Do We Know Which Day is Shabbat? - Shabbat
This reasoning is nuts! God ASKED us in the commandment to keep the 7th day as sabbath as a sign that the creator is our God! What difference do these things your posting make? On our calendar, the 7th day of the week is Saturday. So if we keep that day as sabbath, we are obeying His command. How hard is that to understand? And the Jews keep the same day. And they've cared thousands of years longer than we have. And those guys keep impeccable records!

If anything, your post proves the sabbath falls on Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown and always has.
 

zone

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STOP DERAILING MY SUNDAY FIRST DAY THREAD WITH SABBATARIANISM

3rd request

start your own.

thanks.
 
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Shiloah

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STOP DERAILING MY SUNDAY FIRST DAY THREAD WITH SABBATARIANISM

3rd request

start your own.

thanks.
Well sit here and talk to yourself then, zone. People are obviously going to come in and debate this since it's about the sabbath. I had no idea I was derailing your post. How stupid of me.
 

crossnote

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Yeah, I understand im a sinner. You and zone according to your beliefs are not capable of sin. Sin is the transgression of the law and you and zone believe the law has been made void. Therefore, no law, no sin.
We understand very well the 3rd use of the law (to reveal our sin) what we don't understand is that now being found guilty under the law, some 'get up' and try again and encourage others in the same vain pursuit.
''Let him who is witout sin cast the first stone'' puts the brakes on 'law keepers'. They could not be obedient to Moses in keeping that commandment due to their sin and it follows the same with all commandments. All this is in perfect keeping with Paul's teaching that 'through the law we are dead to the law'. Most legalists don't see Paul's teachings embedded in Jesus' teachings/actions.
 
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Shiloah

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What we can say with accuracy is this, after Jesus' resurrection whenever He met with His disciples and the day is identified, it is NOT the Sabbath, it is the first day of the week!

That's your first post, Zone. That speaks of the sabbath. You just can't handle the competition here.
 
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Shiloah

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We understand very well the 3rd use of the law (to reveal our sin) what we don't understand is that now being found guilty under the law, some 'get up' and try again and encourage others in the same vain pursuit.
''Let him who is witout sin cast the first stone'' puts the brakes on 'law keepers'. They could not be obedient to Moses in keeping that commandment due to their sin and it follows the same with all commandments. All this is in perfect keeping with Paul's teaching that 'through the law we are dead to the law'. Most legalists don't see Paul's teachings embedded in Jesus' teachings/actions.
Golly, I know I still feel guilty when I sin, even if I'm saved under grace. That's what leads me to repent and strive under that grace to go and sin no more.
 
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Shiloah

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I just don't get it. What about Christ's coming disqualifies not sinning? Which is about keeping the law... which will always tell us what sin is?
 

crossnote

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Golly, I know I still feel guilty when I sin, even if I'm saved under grace. That's what leads me to repent and strive under that grace to go and sin no more.
Yeah well, I am not sure if you know our walk is a walk of faith and not of law. Being sinners, it's impossible to keep the law. You can observe whatever day you want just don't think you are keeping the law of Moses.
 
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Shiloah

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whose calendar?
LOL!
what a joke.

going shopping.
bye then.
Apparently you didn't even read your own post. It said the Jews determined they should keep sabbath by whatever calendar they were at while there. Even they weren't worried about the difference in the time factor. They realized the point was that it was kept on the 7th of the week whenever that was recognized wherever they went, unless they were returning home very soon. Even then, they decided to keep it according to local calendars while they were there.

Hence, the question "what calendar?" has been disqualified.
 

Wall

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-Why didn't the Jerusalem counsel command Sabbath keeping or condemn Sabbath breaking? (Acts 15)
It actually did. In order to find you must seek

ACTS 15 [17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. [18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. [19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among THE GENTILES are turned to God: [20] But that we write unto them, that THEY ABSTAIN FROM POLLUTIONS OF IDOLS, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

ACTS 15 as a whole was speaking as to whether gentiles needed to be circumcized or not.

ACTS 15 [4] And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. [5] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That IT WAS NEEDFUL TO CIRCUMCISE THEM, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

ACTS 15 [24] Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, YE MUST BE CIRCUMCISED, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Nothing to do with the 10 commandments. So lets look into what pollution of idols {ACTS 15 V 20} is all about. What I found was very as always, when you let scripture interpret scripture

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

I don’t know what the connection might be as to why graven images and idols are a sign that you don’t keep Gods sabbath but if the WORD says so I believe it. Think about it. Why is it that in all the sunday mournin go to meetin churches have there images all about the church.

Walk right in
sit right down
images are all around
 
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Shiloah

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Yeah well, I am not sure if you know our walk is a walk of faith and not of law. Being sinners, it's impossible to keep the law. You can observe whatever day you want just don't think you are keeping the law of Moses.
I feel like being horribly sarcastic crossnote. I'm not sure how many times I've posted that. I'm sure I'll have to post it at least a zillion times more though considering I believe the sabbath commandment is still as important as all the other commandments. Somehow, keeping the sabbath law makes the keeper a person that doesn't believe we're saved by grace to those that don't keep it. Handy excuse and genuine Strawman by your own definition.
 

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I feel like being horribly sarcastic crossnote. I'm not sure how many times I've posted that. I'm sure I'll have to post it at least a zillion times more though considering I believe the sabbath commandment is still as important as all the other commandments. Somehow, keeping the sabbath law makes the keeper a person that doesn't believe we're saved by grace to those that don't keep it. Handy excuse and genuine Strawman by your own definition.
I am speaking of our daily walk not our initial salvation. Horribly sarcastic? Well, whatever is on the inside of the heart let the finger type. And maybe you'd better not.
 
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Shiloah

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I am speaking of our daily walk not our initial salvation. Horribly sarcastic? Well, whatever is on the inside of the heart let the finger type. And maybe you'd better not.
Actually I typed exactly what was in my heart. It is especially irritating to me to be continually accused of not believing I am saved by grace because I keep a seventh day sabbath.
 

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Actually I typed exactly what was in my heart. It is especially irritating to me to be continually accused of not believing I am saved by grace because I keep a seventh day sabbath.
You may have been justified apart from the law by grace, I just hope you don't revert back to the law in order to be justified since we are called to trust in Jesus from first to last. Have fun with the 7th day Sabbath if you so please.
 
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Shiloah

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You may have been justified apart from the law by grace, I just hope you don't revert back to the law in order to be justified since we are called to trust in Jesus from first to last. Have fun with the 7th day Sabbath if you so please.
I'll sure try not to, since it will be extra hard because I keep the sabbath on the 7th day of the week. lol. There's your sarcasm.
 

zone

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Well sit here and talk to yourself then, zone. People are obviously going to come in and debate this since it's about the sabbath. I had no idea I was derailing your post. How stupid of me.
why did you think i was speaking to YOU?
:)

your first thought i guess.
you.