"Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christians
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Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi
I find it ironic that the OP ranted about arrogant Christians who can't tolerate different theological views and then the OP concluded by lambasting an entire group of Christians and labeling them a cult simply because they believe in an experience that the OP doesn't agree with personally. Makes perfect sense
I find it ironic that the OP ranted about arrogant Christians who can't tolerate different theological views and then the OP concluded by lambasting an entire group of Christians and labeling them a cult simply because they believe in an experience that the OP doesn't agree with personally. Makes perfect sense
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Don't worry. When I was your age, I didn't have much experience with a wide variety of churches either. Only about 6-7 by then. On the good side, since the first one I did go to did teach me some of that crap, I think God has been kind to you. Visit more churches if you want the experience.
If you're smart, stick with churches that don't give that experience... which you seem smart enough to have done. (Or it was fully by the grace of God you didn't fall for some of it.)
Don't worry. When I was your age, I didn't have much experience with a wide variety of churches either. Only about 6-7 by then. On the good side, since the first one I did go to did teach me some of that crap, I think God has been kind to you. Visit more churches if you want the experience.
If you're smart, stick with churches that don't give that experience... which you seem smart enough to have done. (Or it was fully by the grace of God you didn't fall for some of it.)
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Hi 88: I have been there, done that, there are not two classes of Christians, one group that have received the indwelling Spirit and another group that received the indwelling Spirit and then spoke in a tongue so they are how filled with the Spirit as opposed to those other poor saps who only have the Holy Spirit. This is a prideful teaching that we are better then you. The bible does not teach that if you speak in tongues you will henceforth be filled with the Spirit. Whether or not we are filled with the Spirit depends on our moment by moment walk, no magic experience seals it for all time, that is simply a false teaching. I have spent years around both fundamentals and Pentecostals and it is hands down, the fundamentals on the whole are more solid in the Lord.
Hi 88: I have been there, done that, there are not two classes of Christians, one group that have received the indwelling Spirit and another group that received the indwelling Spirit and then spoke in a tongue so they are how filled with the Spirit as opposed to those other poor saps who only have the Holy Spirit. This is a prideful teaching that we are better then you. The bible does not teach that if you speak in tongues you will henceforth be filled with the Spirit. Whether or not we are filled with the Spirit depends on our moment by moment walk, no magic experience seals it for all time, that is simply a false teaching. I have spent years around both fundamentals and Pentecostals and it is hands down, the fundamentals on the whole are more solid in the Lord.
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Every denomination thinks their own beliefs are correct. Catholics believe what they believe is correct. Mormons believe what they believe is correct. Jehovah Witnesses believe what they believe is the correct way to believe. Islam believes what they believe is the correct way to believe. Every denomination, every religion all believe what they believe is the correct way to believe.
So then if someone claims they believe a thing, because that is what they believe and that group of people believe they are correct, don't think they are super-duper Christians. i could think that of you as well. i could think that you think you are super-duper Christian because you seem to think you have it all figured out, who you are not neutral about, and who you are neutral about. How are you not a super-duper Christian in my eyes, when all i have seen you do in the above post is cut down other denominations? When all of them think and believe they are correct, even as you think and believe you are correct.
i can tell who is a Christian and who is not a Christian by the guidelines the Scriptures give to us, and it has nothing at all to do with what particular group they belong to or don't belong to. And that guideline is, you will know them by their fruits. A good tree does not produce bad fruits. Therefore when i see a person Loving One Another, that is a good tree. When a see a person that fails to Love One Another, that is a bad tree. Those who LOVE, good tree. Those who hate, bad tree. If a persons fruits are sinful, that is a wicked person. If a persons fruits are Righteous, that is a Good person.
You would do well to remember this Scripture:
Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. :39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. :40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
All those so called Super-duper Christians you cut down, do they profess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? It seems to me, it is not the so called Super-duper Christians that is the central problem here, but the way you think when you come across someone that YOU deem thinks he is a super-duper Christian.
For example if i say "i do all things to please my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, and i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sins" Will you deem me also as a super-duper Christian, because i tell you the TRUTH?
But you are right, Anyone who thinks he/she is above any other, is indeed wrong. But even though i think myself below everyone, and i do not put myself on a pedestal at all. Nor do i give myself any credit for what i teach, but clearly give the credit to God, but because i say and teach "Go and sin no more" or say that i am a prophet when someone asks if i am or not, then it is said of me, that i am self righteous, or as you call it, a super-duper Christian, arrogant, prideful, full of self, false prophet, and the list goes on and on. My point is, just because you think someone is a super-duper Christian doesn't make it the TRUTH. And even if they Truly think they are, this is when they need the Love of Christ even more, correct?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
I am not neutral about "super duper Christians" and their attempts to exalt themselves above other Christians.
Let me give you a definition and some examples of "super duper Christians"
"Super duper" Christians are those who think they are better than other believers, or more spiritual, due to some quality or knowledge that they have. They think God loves them a little more, or speaks closer to them, than other people.
Cults are the most flagrant, arrogant "super duper" Christians. In fact most of them think that no other Christians exist except them.
As an Armstrongite, I was the ultimate "super duper" Christian. Armstrongites consider themselves to be the the only true Christians, because supposedly their doctrine is totally in line with the Bible, especially with regards to observing the Sabbath, festivals and clean meat laws. Never mind that they are blasphemers who claim they will be God in the resurrection.
Cult members are the obvious examples. There are many others who concede other Christians are saved but put themselves on a higher pedestal.
One individual in the chat room constantly mentions that he is a "spirit-and-water baptized", "speaking in tongues" "born again" genuine believer.
I don't know if younger Christians are aware of this, but it's a common charismatic teaching that God saves some people, but because of their ignorance in requesting it, he does not give them the "second baptism" by the Spirit where he empowers them for service. So, these people think there is one group of anemic Christians who never received this empowerment, and a group of "super duper Christians" who have received it. They will refer to themselves as "spirit-filled" and implicitly claim that others are not.
I received the Holy Spirit when I believed (Ephesians 1:13), and not just a trickle of Him
This guy's statements are wrong on multiple levels.
One, he is promoting himself as the "real thing" and making an implicit accusation that others are not.
Two, he seems to buy into the Pentecostal/charismatic idea that there are two separate baptisms; one by water, indicating a belief in baptismal regeneration, and another separate event where the believer became especially empowered by God. Water baptism doesn't cause regeneration anyways; God regenerates the person who places his faith in Christ and repents of his sinful orientation.
Three, he points to speaking in tongues as his proof of salvation and a genuine conversion.
The scarier thing is that some of these types are trying to teach and evangelize seekers. This person is often one of the first that attempts to engage seekers in the chat room. His weird theologies go beyond this, into the realm of trying to get them to say the "sinner's prayer" and then declaring them immediately to be saved, with absolutely no mention of repentance.
A second example is a Oneness Pentecostal who claims that he has the "full gospel" because he believes in Oneness theology and speaks in tongues.
He mentions how other Christians don't have the "full gospel" because they don't share his convictions regarding speaking in tongues and Oneness theology. Again, he thinks he's a teacher, and attempts to lead others into private Bible studies with his bad theology.
Other super-duper Christians are those who claim that they do miracles like healing the sick and raising the dead. Oh, they may give Christ some credit, but they definitely want the spotlight on them.
To be honest, if they attach themselves to an alleged miracle, I discount them instantaneously.
If someone tells me that God healed someone due to corporate prayer in their church, I consider that person's claim, but I don't think God shares the glory for healings to individuals. In part, that's why I think James 5 says to go to the ELDERS of the church (note the plural form) for prayer for healing...so no one man gets the glory. Anyways, I view alleged healings and raisings from the dead as being another attempt to claim super-duper Christian status before men.
A third, but less obvious, example, are non-denominational people. I don't belong to a denomination, and the church I attend is non-denominational but belongs to an association.
The big contention with non-denominational people is that others are following people, but not Christ, because of denominational labels. Non-denominational believers claim to only follow Christ. However, it's obvious that many of them hold beliefs that extend outside of the limitations of what Christ taught, and they hold a specific group of beliefs themselves (which include being disgusted with denominations). They become their own little denomination while abhorring the title.
Additionally, it seems like their situation is covered by these verses:
I Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16(I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
So, it seems to me like one of the factions in Corinth claimed that they were the true Christ-followers because they were not associated with the name of a man. They may have been the most self righteous ones of the lot. And, they would be non-denominational today if they still existed
I see the same sort of behavior with Christians who claim they are "biblicists" whereas if someone agrees with a theology that refers to the name of a man, they are not "biblicists" even if the theology reflects Biblical teaching.
A fourth group that I will mention are Sabbath/festival/clean meat law observers. Not all of them can be identified with claiming to be the "super-duper Christians" (I have Messianic Jewish friends who are observers but make no such claims) but many can be identified with this behavior.
MANY in this group claim that the Sabbath is THE sign of a true believer. They base this on their reading of Exodus 16 which indicates the Sabbath was a "test commandment" for ancient Israel and in some cases Colossians 2:16-17. I held this belief as an Armstrongite and considered all non-observers to be unsaved.
I think these verses also exhibit the behavior I'm describing:
I Corinthians 11: 18 - 19 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part 19 for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
I'm not positive on the wording of this verse, but I think the verse indicates that part of the fleshly nature that causes factions seeks to demonstrate to others who is actually the "real thing"...in other words an explicit accusation that others are not, and that they are the "super duper" Christians. I may be wrong on my view of these verses but I don't think I am. I am totally convinced that part of the fleshly nature is to continue asserting that one is the "real deal" and that others are not. Check out Galatians 5:17-ff in this regard.
Anyways I am tired of super-duper Christians making boastful claims. You really can't prove your super-duper Christian status online anyways. I don't know how you behave with your family and with others, and how much sacrificial love you have for others. It would be interesting to talk to your physical and church family to see how real your claims are.
See my profile for other beliefs or behaviors I am not neutral about.
Let me give you a definition and some examples of "super duper Christians"
"Super duper" Christians are those who think they are better than other believers, or more spiritual, due to some quality or knowledge that they have. They think God loves them a little more, or speaks closer to them, than other people.
Cults are the most flagrant, arrogant "super duper" Christians. In fact most of them think that no other Christians exist except them.
As an Armstrongite, I was the ultimate "super duper" Christian. Armstrongites consider themselves to be the the only true Christians, because supposedly their doctrine is totally in line with the Bible, especially with regards to observing the Sabbath, festivals and clean meat laws. Never mind that they are blasphemers who claim they will be God in the resurrection.
Cult members are the obvious examples. There are many others who concede other Christians are saved but put themselves on a higher pedestal.
One individual in the chat room constantly mentions that he is a "spirit-and-water baptized", "speaking in tongues" "born again" genuine believer.
I don't know if younger Christians are aware of this, but it's a common charismatic teaching that God saves some people, but because of their ignorance in requesting it, he does not give them the "second baptism" by the Spirit where he empowers them for service. So, these people think there is one group of anemic Christians who never received this empowerment, and a group of "super duper Christians" who have received it. They will refer to themselves as "spirit-filled" and implicitly claim that others are not.
I received the Holy Spirit when I believed (Ephesians 1:13), and not just a trickle of Him
This guy's statements are wrong on multiple levels.
One, he is promoting himself as the "real thing" and making an implicit accusation that others are not.
Two, he seems to buy into the Pentecostal/charismatic idea that there are two separate baptisms; one by water, indicating a belief in baptismal regeneration, and another separate event where the believer became especially empowered by God. Water baptism doesn't cause regeneration anyways; God regenerates the person who places his faith in Christ and repents of his sinful orientation.
Three, he points to speaking in tongues as his proof of salvation and a genuine conversion.
The scarier thing is that some of these types are trying to teach and evangelize seekers. This person is often one of the first that attempts to engage seekers in the chat room. His weird theologies go beyond this, into the realm of trying to get them to say the "sinner's prayer" and then declaring them immediately to be saved, with absolutely no mention of repentance.
A second example is a Oneness Pentecostal who claims that he has the "full gospel" because he believes in Oneness theology and speaks in tongues.
He mentions how other Christians don't have the "full gospel" because they don't share his convictions regarding speaking in tongues and Oneness theology. Again, he thinks he's a teacher, and attempts to lead others into private Bible studies with his bad theology.
Other super-duper Christians are those who claim that they do miracles like healing the sick and raising the dead. Oh, they may give Christ some credit, but they definitely want the spotlight on them.
To be honest, if they attach themselves to an alleged miracle, I discount them instantaneously.
If someone tells me that God healed someone due to corporate prayer in their church, I consider that person's claim, but I don't think God shares the glory for healings to individuals. In part, that's why I think James 5 says to go to the ELDERS of the church (note the plural form) for prayer for healing...so no one man gets the glory. Anyways, I view alleged healings and raisings from the dead as being another attempt to claim super-duper Christian status before men.
A third, but less obvious, example, are non-denominational people. I don't belong to a denomination, and the church I attend is non-denominational but belongs to an association.
The big contention with non-denominational people is that others are following people, but not Christ, because of denominational labels. Non-denominational believers claim to only follow Christ. However, it's obvious that many of them hold beliefs that extend outside of the limitations of what Christ taught, and they hold a specific group of beliefs themselves (which include being disgusted with denominations). They become their own little denomination while abhorring the title.
Additionally, it seems like their situation is covered by these verses:
I Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. 16(I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
So, it seems to me like one of the factions in Corinth claimed that they were the true Christ-followers because they were not associated with the name of a man. They may have been the most self righteous ones of the lot. And, they would be non-denominational today if they still existed
I see the same sort of behavior with Christians who claim they are "biblicists" whereas if someone agrees with a theology that refers to the name of a man, they are not "biblicists" even if the theology reflects Biblical teaching.
A fourth group that I will mention are Sabbath/festival/clean meat law observers. Not all of them can be identified with claiming to be the "super-duper Christians" (I have Messianic Jewish friends who are observers but make no such claims) but many can be identified with this behavior.
MANY in this group claim that the Sabbath is THE sign of a true believer. They base this on their reading of Exodus 16 which indicates the Sabbath was a "test commandment" for ancient Israel and in some cases Colossians 2:16-17. I held this belief as an Armstrongite and considered all non-observers to be unsaved.
I think these verses also exhibit the behavior I'm describing:
I Corinthians 11: 18 - 19 For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part 19 for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.
I'm not positive on the wording of this verse, but I think the verse indicates that part of the fleshly nature that causes factions seeks to demonstrate to others who is actually the "real thing"...in other words an explicit accusation that others are not, and that they are the "super duper" Christians. I may be wrong on my view of these verses but I don't think I am. I am totally convinced that part of the fleshly nature is to continue asserting that one is the "real deal" and that others are not. Check out Galatians 5:17-ff in this regard.
Anyways I am tired of super-duper Christians making boastful claims. You really can't prove your super-duper Christian status online anyways. I don't know how you behave with your family and with others, and how much sacrificial love you have for others. It would be interesting to talk to your physical and church family to see how real your claims are.
See my profile for other beliefs or behaviors I am not neutral about.
So then if someone claims they believe a thing, because that is what they believe and that group of people believe they are correct, don't think they are super-duper Christians. i could think that of you as well. i could think that you think you are super-duper Christian because you seem to think you have it all figured out, who you are not neutral about, and who you are neutral about. How are you not a super-duper Christian in my eyes, when all i have seen you do in the above post is cut down other denominations? When all of them think and believe they are correct, even as you think and believe you are correct.
i can tell who is a Christian and who is not a Christian by the guidelines the Scriptures give to us, and it has nothing at all to do with what particular group they belong to or don't belong to. And that guideline is, you will know them by their fruits. A good tree does not produce bad fruits. Therefore when i see a person Loving One Another, that is a good tree. When a see a person that fails to Love One Another, that is a bad tree. Those who LOVE, good tree. Those who hate, bad tree. If a persons fruits are sinful, that is a wicked person. If a persons fruits are Righteous, that is a Good person.
You would do well to remember this Scripture:
Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. :39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. :40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
All those so called Super-duper Christians you cut down, do they profess Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? It seems to me, it is not the so called Super-duper Christians that is the central problem here, but the way you think when you come across someone that YOU deem thinks he is a super-duper Christian.
For example if i say "i do all things to please my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, and i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sins" Will you deem me also as a super-duper Christian, because i tell you the TRUTH?
But you are right, Anyone who thinks he/she is above any other, is indeed wrong. But even though i think myself below everyone, and i do not put myself on a pedestal at all. Nor do i give myself any credit for what i teach, but clearly give the credit to God, but because i say and teach "Go and sin no more" or say that i am a prophet when someone asks if i am or not, then it is said of me, that i am self righteous, or as you call it, a super-duper Christian, arrogant, prideful, full of self, false prophet, and the list goes on and on. My point is, just because you think someone is a super-duper Christian doesn't make it the TRUTH. And even if they Truly think they are, this is when they need the Love of Christ even more, correct?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi
Many Charismatics /Pentecostals are lacking knowledge in God's Word-----Many Fundamentals/Evangelicals lacks depth in the Spirit----by this I mean "tools" from God---giftings----healings, miracles, supernatural knowledge, signs & wonders----this aspect of the ministry of Christ is also important---- fruits are #1 ----gifts are expressions of God's love in action...Grace and Peace
Many Charismatics /Pentecostals are lacking knowledge in God's Word-----Many Fundamentals/Evangelicals lacks depth in the Spirit----by this I mean "tools" from God---giftings----healings, miracles, supernatural knowledge, signs & wonders----this aspect of the ministry of Christ is also important---- fruits are #1 ----gifts are expressions of God's love in action...Grace and Peace
K
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Lol! That is too funny! Exactly! People are getting so funny on here. Its so sad that you have to laugh.
I find it ironic that the OP ranted about arrogant Christians who can't tolerate different theological views and then the OP concluded by lambasting an entire group of Christians and labeling them a cult simply because they believe in an experience that the OP doesn't agree with personally. Makes perfect sense
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No,I dont agree with this at all. There are some churches that get carried away but for the most part Pentecostal churches are as Biblically sound as any other church.Ive been in hundreds of Pentecostal churches and Ive been in every other denomination you can name. There are differences in church governing but most differences are small from denomination to denomination. Ive been in Baptist churches that believe in tongues,Ive been in Methodist churches that believe in tongues. You cant pigeon hole a group of people.
No,I dont agree with this at all. There are some churches that get carried away but for the most part Pentecostal churches are as Biblically sound as any other church.Ive been in hundreds of Pentecostal churches and Ive been in every other denomination you can name. There are differences in church governing but most differences are small from denomination to denomination. Ive been in Baptist churches that believe in tongues,Ive been in Methodist churches that believe in tongues. You cant pigeon hole a group of people.
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yes...nothing like egging each other on.....LOL!
nothing like 'I dare you...I double dare you...'...that actually explained some of my actions when I was a kid...I'd go...'but they dared me...I had to do it!'
I was such an innocent...mheh heh heh....
ROFL, somehow I think you and I could be good friends in the real world,but Im afraid of the damage we'd do.
yes...nothing like egging each other on.....LOL!
nothing like 'I dare you...I double dare you...'...that actually explained some of my actions when I was a kid...I'd go...'but they dared me...I had to do it!'
I was such an innocent...mheh heh heh....
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I think you're a little confused so let me help you. First of all watch what you say
about Pentecostals. You can't put Cults and Christians in the same group. Any
religion or religious group that denies the deity of Christ is a cult. Here is a list
of Cult Groups
1. Islam
2. Jehovah Witnesses
3. Mormons
4.Seventh Day Adventists
5. Hinduism
6. Buddhism
7. Scientology
8. Church of Christian Scientists
9. Wicca (Witchcraft)
10 Roman Catholics because they pray to Mary and that is idol worship
There is no other way to be saved but Jesus Acts4:12
I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life no man comes to the Father except
through me John14:6
Buddha can't save you, Allah can't save you, Watchtower tract Society can't save
you, and the pope can't save you. Only Jesus can save you.
Christians need to stop being afraid of the Holy Ghost. Without the power of
the Holy Ghost we wouldn't be able to say no to sin or overcome the Devil.
Acts4:12 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon
you. The Bible is God's Word and the final authority. I believe it do you??
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)
I think you're a little confused so let me help you. First of all watch what you say
about Pentecostals. You can't put Cults and Christians in the same group. Any
religion or religious group that denies the deity of Christ is a cult. Here is a list
of Cult Groups
1. Islam
2. Jehovah Witnesses
3. Mormons
4.Seventh Day Adventists
5. Hinduism
6. Buddhism
7. Scientology
8. Church of Christian Scientists
9. Wicca (Witchcraft)
10 Roman Catholics because they pray to Mary and that is idol worship
There is no other way to be saved but Jesus Acts4:12
I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life no man comes to the Father except
through me John14:6
Buddha can't save you, Allah can't save you, Watchtower tract Society can't save
you, and the pope can't save you. Only Jesus can save you.
Christians need to stop being afraid of the Holy Ghost. Without the power of
the Holy Ghost we wouldn't be able to say no to sin or overcome the Devil.
Acts4:12 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon
you. The Bible is God's Word and the final authority. I believe it do you??
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)
Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi
My first experience in a group setting with hearing tongues in others was out of the Notre Dame Holy Spirit beginnings. I received my language at home by myself.
When I went into the meeting, they were singing in the Spirit. It was the most beautiful sound Id ever heard and actually thought I heard angel wings...also felt power in the "air.
So Catholics cannot be called cultish. Not all believe worship of Mary or bowing to idols. They believe God came in flesh.
I still think that might mean more than we know.
Like, are we denying His coming into our flesh?
Not sure yet.
My first experience in a group setting with hearing tongues in others was out of the Notre Dame Holy Spirit beginnings. I received my language at home by myself.
When I went into the meeting, they were singing in the Spirit. It was the most beautiful sound Id ever heard and actually thought I heard angel wings...also felt power in the "air.
So Catholics cannot be called cultish. Not all believe worship of Mary or bowing to idols. They believe God came in flesh.
I still think that might mean more than we know.
Like, are we denying His coming into our flesh?
Not sure yet.
Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi
The World mix it up good and evil but its doesn't work for Lord's Kingdom, Lets take a look the next verses on this topic KJVJames3;12-13, 12.Can the fig tree, my brethen, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.13.Who is a wise man and endued with knowlege among you? let him shew out of good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.;Thanks the Lord for the right way to show who I am and its make different from traditions of the wicked World.
The World mix it up good and evil but its doesn't work for Lord's Kingdom, Lets take a look the next verses on this topic KJVJames3;12-13, 12.Can the fig tree, my brethen, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.13.Who is a wise man and endued with knowlege among you? let him shew out of good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.;Thanks the Lord for the right way to show who I am and its make different from traditions of the wicked World.
Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi
The problem today is that few go to the Lord, they go to the church. Churches are filled with doctrines that people fill their minds with so the Holy Spirit can't reach them.
They do not acknowledge Christ as God who was in the world from the beginning. They say Christ had a new word for us, apart from the Father so some even question what God wrote in scripture was forever, or for all generations. Even though a large percentage of the NT is repeating the OT, they say we are only under what is new. Some even say that Psalms that tell us about God's properties are wrong, that God is hard and cruel.
The Lord tells us that what goes in our stomach just goes out again. That is not true of what goes in our minds. Wrong ideas can act as poison so the Holy Spirit cannot get through.
The problem today is that few go to the Lord, they go to the church. Churches are filled with doctrines that people fill their minds with so the Holy Spirit can't reach them.
They do not acknowledge Christ as God who was in the world from the beginning. They say Christ had a new word for us, apart from the Father so some even question what God wrote in scripture was forever, or for all generations. Even though a large percentage of the NT is repeating the OT, they say we are only under what is new. Some even say that Psalms that tell us about God's properties are wrong, that God is hard and cruel.
The Lord tells us that what goes in our stomach just goes out again. That is not true of what goes in our minds. Wrong ideas can act as poison so the Holy Spirit cannot get through.