"Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christians

[Blik]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

Don't worry. When I was your age, I didn't have much experience with a wide variety of churches either. Only about 6-7 by then. On the good side, since the first one I did go to did teach me some of that crap, I think God has been kind to you. Visit more churches if you want the experience.

If you're smart, stick with churches that don't give that experience... which you seem smart enough to have done. (Or it was fully by the grace of God you didn't fall for some of it.)

I don't think most churches really accept Christ as God. They say there is a difference between the God of the OT and Christ of the NT. They read mostly the NT, saying it is how things are today without relating what it tells us to the OT, so they are usually pretty mixed up.

They know Christ changed things, but I haven't heard of any church teach what Christ changed.

Once a mind and spirit has been filled with falsehoods they accept, it is very difficult for them to accept the truth. We read of this in the gospels as it tells of Christ and the Pharisees.

 

[FreeNChrist]

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I don't think most churches really accept Christ as God. They say there is a difference between the God of the OT and Christ of the NT. They read mostly the NT, saying it is how things are today without relating what it tells us to the OT, so they are usually pretty mixed up.

They know Christ changed things, but I haven't heard of any church teach what Christ changed.

Once a mind and spirit has been filled with falsehoods they accept, it is very difficult for them to accept the truth. We read of this in the gospels as it tells of Christ and the Pharisees.

Try going to a Christian church........

 

[p_rehbein]

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QUOTE FROM OP:

A third, but less obvious, example, are non-denominational people. I don't belong to a denomination, and the church I attend is non-denominational but belongs to an association.

The big contention with non-denominational people is that others are following people, but not Christ, because of denominational labels. Non-denominational believers claim to only follow Christ. However, it's obvious that many of them hold beliefs that extend outside of the limitations of what Christ taught, and they hold a specific group of beliefs themselves (which include being disgusted with denominations). They become their own little denomination while abhorring the title.

END QUOTE:

Do you have any evidence to support this broad brush condemnation? Or, are you just expressing your own biased view? If so, that's ok, cuz you have a right to, but let us not try and say it is God Truth or some such. It is, after all, simply your biased opinion, is it not?

As for the super-duper thingy, I see some of this also, and do not buy it either. However, your criticism in the OP KINDA gives the impression that you believe yourself to be more enlightened than those you are criticizing.

Just saying........

 

[popeye]

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I don't think it is any one thing, or any of hundreds of doctrines. I don't think there is anything funny about it, I think our misunderstandings is almost universal in the protestant and catholic church.

I found nothing wrong for years, until someone pointed out to me that I saw discrepancies in scripture. If Christ was God, if God was eternal so His principles never changed, if we were to obey God whenever scripture told us something was so for all generations, then either I or scripture was wrong. Between God's knowledge and mine I felt there was no competition.

I had never been able to understand the OT, try as I would. I got as far as God wanting all the Canaanites wiped out and gave up. I needed help, and found it in professors who worked with the dead sea scrolls enough to understand that culture.

I studied the OT with eyes opened and related it all to the finished work of the NT.

God never disagrees with himself, and scripture is truth I found. Christ is God, and Christ finished and made perfect all of the symbolism of the OT.

It isn't that I am arrogantly saying "I am right" in my understanding and the churches are mostly wrong, but I am saying that scripture is right and most of the churches are wrong.

And yet,you are,as you say "too good", to address anyone challenging your cessationist error.

 

[popeye]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

I am on my phone so can't copy paste,but google "William booth ,send the fire"

Know who he was? The founder,operator of THE SALVATION ARMY.

"a super,duper Christian"

That was their song,their cry,their prayer,their banner.

"GOD OF ELIJAH HEAR OUR PRAYER,SEND THE FIRE"

 

[popeye]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

The second work,the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus " tarry in Jerusalem till ye are endued with POWER.

Where did you pick up that cessationist mess?

Ole Herbert Armstrong?

I didn't know he was one of you guys. Lol

 

[popeye]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

If s super duper beliver,is a full gospel believer,with the same Jesus of the bible,what are you in contrast?

A false ,powerless different Jesus adherent?

What do you do when you pray for a miracle? ...knowing Jesus is now powerless and different than the OT God?

 

[Blain]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

I have been on cc for quite a while and an interesting thing I have noticed is people tend to speak and show who they truly are inside on an online forum the tend to speak their hearts true thoughts and tend to show what is truly in their hearts because they are behind a screen. I am sure many of us would not say the horrible things we do to each other face to face, an enemy online may in fact be friend next door.

Anyways as for the super duper Christians many who see themselves as this are often times right in their own minds boastful and speak a lot about their own views and beliefs as if they were the word of God themselves and how dare anyone disagree with them sort of people. Needless to say they think very high of themselves and their statues in God's kingdom.

But the real super duper Christians always speak in kindness and love they don't care to prove anything their humbleness and wisdom of God are clearly seen they are very subtle yet that subtleness speaks far louder the loud boastful super duper christians and yes I didn't capitalize that for a reason. I have seen the super duper Christians on this forum and in your mind as you read this if you assume I am speaking of you then may in fact be fooling yourself however if you don't expect I am speaking of you then you may be more wrong than you realize.

The interesting thing is that Jesus himself said the greatest in the kingdom of God is one who becomes the lowest.

 

[Blik]

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Try going to a Christian church........

Are you saying protestant and catholic churches are not Christian?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

Are you saying protestant and catholic churches are not Christian?

I'm saying that whatever the churches are that you are referencing, they certainly are not Christian. All Christian churches affirm that Jesus Christ is God.

 

[Socreta93]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

I find it funinteresting that the people who criticize Christians the most are other Christians

 

[Blain]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

I'm saying that whatever the churches are that you are referencing, they certainly are not Christian. All Christian churches affirm that Jesus Christ is God.

No not really, who is to say what is in their hearts? Yes Jesus is God but I don't think Jesus said to be his follower one had to believe he was God. This is the issue with denominations and doctrines what if a person truly has a blazing fire and passion for God and has a heart that is rich in love and who shines the light of Christ in everything they do yet doesn't believe Jesus is God?

If such a church has many people like this in it then are they not a Christian church? is the belief that jesus is God what makes a Christian church? God looks at the heart not the doctine

 

[FreeNChrist]

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No not really, who is to say what is in their hearts? Yes Jesus is God but I don't think Jesus said to be his follower one had to believe he was God. This is the issue with denominations and doctrines what if a person truly has a blazing fire and passion for God and has a heart that is rich in love and who shines the light of Christ in everything they do yet doesn't believe Jesus is God?

If such a church has many people like this in it then are they not a Christian church? is the belief that jesus is God what makes a Christian church? God looks at the heart not the doctine

If a church denies that Jesus is God that is not a Christian church.

 

[Blain]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

If a church denies that Jesus is God that is not a Christian church.

tell me what does it mean to be a Christian? what is it that makes one a Christian by heart and not by title?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

tell me what does it mean to be a Christian? what is it that makes one a Christian by heart and not by title?

We are talking about churches, not individuals. And all Christian churches affirm that Jesus Christ is God.

 

[Blain]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

We are talking about churches, not individuals. And all Christian churches affirm that Jesus Christ is God.

The individuals are the church so again I ask what does it mean to be a Christian and what makes one a Christian by heart not title?

 

[dcontroversal]

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I find it interesting that the some of the most faithful in the bible had issues.....and Jesus was highly impressed with those who would abase themselves instead of boasting of their "righteousness"

At the end of the day Jesus was clear....After you have done all you can do to...

a) Not think too highly of yourself
b) Consider yourself a lowly servant only doing that which you have been commanded to do.......

We are sinners saved by grace and that is all we are.....(yes children of God which is awesome) but nonetheless, we are undeserving, sinners saved by grace.....we all stink when we sweat!

 

[Magenta]

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No not really, who is to say what is in their hearts? Yes Jesus is God but I don't think Jesus said to be his follower one had to believe he was God. This is the issue with denominations and doctrines what if a person truly has a blazing fire and passion for God and has a heart that is rich in love and who shines the light of Christ in everything they do yet doesn't believe Jesus is God?

If such a church has many people like this in it then are they not a Christian church? is the belief that jesus is God what makes a Christian church? God looks at the heart not the doctine

Jesus said, If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. See John 8.

 

[Blik]

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I find it funinteresting that the people who criticize Christians the most are other Christians

Of course. Christians get together to reason about the truth of the Lord. We know we must somehow have gotten it wrong or, after studying scripture we would be united. Christians work together to find the truth.

Honest disagreement is not personal criticism.

 

[Blain]

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Jesus said, If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. See John 8.

he did speak of himself like this but he wasn't saying he was god in that quote he said he was the one who testifies of the father but while I believe he is God I don't feel right deciding if a person is saved by if they believe he was God or not. If a person is on fire for Christ yet doesn't believe or is not sure if he is god does that make them not saved?