Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

[Evmur]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

All these scriptures will come to pass in their proper time, there will be a new heaven and a new earth according to Revs 21. There will be 1, 000 years during which Christ will reign on earth with His saints according to Revs 20.

It is after the 1, 000 years when the devil is loosed to deceive the nations once more [so this happens on earth] he will gather the nations to come up against Jerusalem. That is when fire will fall from heaven to destroy that wicked.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

But that passage (Lk21:12-24a) does supply "chronology" issues.

Earlier, in a different post, I had supplied some correlating passages to that ^ , including Matt22:7, Luke 19:41-44 (Jesus spoke on Palm Sunday), and Luke 21:23,20 especially... all speaking with regard to the events surrounding 70ad... not that the entirety of the Olivet Discourse speaks of that, but that this section does... and here are a few of the supporting passages spelled out:

[tell me, how can you say these several verses below are speaking of the "far-future" Trib years, future to us,... as the rest of the Olivet Discourse IS speaking about (except for Lk21:12-23,24a = 70ad events)... I think not...]


Mark 13:1-2 -
"And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."


Luke 19:41-44 -
(said on Palm Sunday / His Triumphal Entry / the very day the 69 Weeks TOTAL were concluded, when He did the Zech9:9 thing) -

"41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round [SEE same wording in Lk21:23,20], and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."


Luke 21:5-6 -
"5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

 

[Evmur]

No Place In Revelation 20:1-6, Is Jesus Christ Seen Reigning On This Earth, A Flase Claim

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

You see that there are nations both before the devil is bound and after he is loosed, they will be deceived again ... this happens on earth.

 

[Evmur]

Your claim of (Two Peoples) of God, one of heaven (Church) and another of earth fleshly (Jews) is a false teaching known as Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) found no place in scripture.

There is one covenant between man and God, the shed blood upon Calvary, with salvation through faith in this finished work of Jesus Christ

John 3:14-18KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jews of the "Flesh" are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

All the covenants including the new covenant is made with the Jews, we have been made partakers of their covenant of Promise through Christ. At present they are in unbelief until the full number of the Gentiles be come in. All Israel will be saved.

 

[Truth7t7]

All this applies to the church, we the church have become co-heirs and and fellow citizens of the Jewish commonwealth

We have not become cuckoos

We do not therefore push the natural chicks out of the nest, if you push the Jews out with whom are we co heirs and fellow citizens? of what commonwealth are we fellow citizens of? All the covenants including the new covenant is made with them, we have become partakers of their covenant of promises through Christ and not by obedience to the law.

At present they are cut off from their olive tree until the full number of the Gentiles are come in. They will then be grafted back in.

And the rest of mankind will come in through them .... are you glad about that?

Your claim that "All Ethnic Jews" will be saved is false, Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) on full display

As Romans 11 clearly teaches, only the "Remnant Elect" those whom God foreknew will be saved and grafted back into the olive tree Jesus Christ

The Claim "All Jews" are Gods Chosen People is false, as scripture clearly teaches Israel of the "Flesh" these are not the children of God

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Evmur]

So when Evmur do you see the reconstruction of the tribal entities?

Not sure if I can answer that one. But the purpose of the tribes was to apportion the blessing and the inheritance between the whole nation, each tribe having his portion ... apart from the priestly tribe.

But in the Millennium the whole nation inherits the whole blessing and the whole world. And Israel will be nation of priests and kings unto their God.

 

[Evmur]

Your claim that "All Ethnic Jews" will be saved is false, Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) on full display

As Romans 11 clearly teaches, only the "Remnant Elect" those whom God foreknew will be saved and grafted back into the olive tree Jesus Christ

The Claim "All Jews" are Gods Chosen People is false, as scripture clearly teaches Israel of the "Flesh" these are not the children of God

(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)

(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed

(2) National Ethnic Israel

The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

no point in repeating the same thing ad nauseum ... that is just brainwash.

 

[Truth7t7]

There will be 1, 000 years during which Christ will reign on earth with His saints according to Revs 20.

It is after the 1, 000 years when the devil is loosed to deceive the nations once more [so this happens on earth] he will gather the nations to come up against Jerusalem. That is when fire will fall from heaven to destroy that wicked.

No Place In Revelation 20:1-6, Is Jesus Christ Seen Reigning On This Earth, A Flase Claim

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Evmur]

God is working on two projects Heaven and Earth, even when He creates anew there will be a new Heavens and a new Earth.

The church are the heavenly body.

 

[Truth7t7]

no point in repeating the same thing ad nauseum ... that is just brainwash.

Brainwash Is The Repetitious Teaching Of Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in Two Peoples God (Jew/Church), A False Teaching Found No Place In The Scripture

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[re: Lk21:12-23,24a speaking of the 70ad events] Earlier, in a different post, I had supplied some correlating passages to that ^ , including Matt22:7, Luke 19:41-44 (Jesus spoke on Palm Sunday), and Luke 21:23,20 especially... all speaking with regard to the events surrounding 70ad... not that the entirety of the Olivet Discourse speaks of that, but that this section does... and here are a few of the supporting passages spelled out:

[tell me, how can you say these several verses below are speaking of the "far-future" Trib years, future to us,... as the rest of the Olivet Discourse IS speaking about (except for Lk21:12-23,24a = 70ad events)... I think not...]

Mark 13:1-2 -
"And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

Luke 19:41-44 - (said on Palm Sunday / His Triumphal Entry / the very day the 69 Weeks TOTAL were concluded, when He did the Zech9:9 thing) -
"41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round [SEE same wording in Lk21:23,20], and keep thee in on every side,
44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

Luke 21:5-6 -
"5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

I had meant to ask @Roughsoul1991 if he has a response to this Post #1262... I know Truth7t7 won't have one.

 

[Truth7t7]

God is working on two projects Heaven and Earth, even when He creates anew there will be a new Heavens and a new Earth.

The church are the heavenly body.

More Brainwash In The Repetitious Teaching Of Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in Two Peoples God (Jew/Church), A False Teaching Found No Place In The Scripture

 

[Evmur]

More Brainwash In The Repetitious Teaching Of Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in Two Peoples God (Jew/Church), A False Teaching Found No Place In The Scripture

There are no Jews?

 

[Truth7t7]

To put it in lower caps is revealing a typo. Hell will be full of bad typists if what you claim was true.

If a person is shown truth of "G"od being a capital "G", and this error of a lower case "g" continues without flaw is it a typo?

 

[OldSage]

More Brainwash In The Repetitious Teaching Of Zionism's (Dual Covenant Theology) in Two Peoples God (Jew/Church), A False Teaching Found No Place In The Scripture

I can't really understand why you throw the (pure and wholly) biblical idea of God not abandoning Israel into the same bathtub as Theodore Herzl's Zionism, of which I am no expert, but I understand at the least that he was an atheist.

 

[Truth7t7]

There are no Jews?

Do you believe earthly Jews will be a priesthood, in a future temple in Jerusalem during your claim of a Millennium on this earth?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?

Well, we know from your earlier post that there will be "physical FISH" then, who will "DIE" in your supposed "100% Spiritual Realm" (upon Jesus' "RETURN"), because you do love "to fish," after all...





["... there shall be no more death..." Rev21:4]

 

[OldSage]

Well, we know from your earlier post that there will be "physical FISH" then, who will "DIE" in your supposed "100% Spiritual Realm," because you do love "to fish," after all...

lol

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

...Some take us back to the Garden of Eden... others, to some point after that... Oh well...

 

[Evmur]

Do you believe earthly Jews will be a priesthood, in a future temple in Jerusalem during your claim of a Millennium on this earth?

The words of the prophet will come to pass
Nation will not lift up sword against nation nor shall they learn war anymore
and they shall say come let us go up to the mountain of the house of the Lord, the God of Jacob, that He may teach us His ways and we may walk in His paths.

and it shall come to pass that all who refuse to come will be destroyed.