Teachers -- what makes teachers?

[Ariel82]

I am hoping this means you're feeling better.

As for teachers? Sure, if we go see one, or even read one on here, we know if they're bad or good, and either dismiss them outright, or listen. BUT, say you have a daughter in first grade and you check out her teacher. The teacher is bad! Do you do the same thing? Just walk away and let her decide if that's a good or bad teacher?

I'm not really worried about most people on this forum. I'm worried about the ones new to Christ and don't yet know if the person teaching is good or bad. Soooo, then what?

Because, as it stands now, most of the people "teaching" lately, haven't even graduated first grade for knowledge need to teach, and yet think they're teachers because they have a message.

And, I very much do believe knowledge is needed to be a teacher. And, some kind of calling and guidance. The calling? It is NOT "God has called me to teach," without confirmation from trustworthy elders. (And elders, doesn't need to be male, nor does it need to mean "old." It means those who the people of a church already trust based on their walk and talk.)

And then the most important part of being called into the office of teacher is to first, be a student! Not one of those apostles or early-church leaders taught what they didn't already learn. They knew the OT. They knew who Christ was.

Come on Lynn...I always look at this forum as a place where the first graders got to present their class projects to the world and we are to give constructive criticism back so they can refine their message or even go back to the drawing board; nor bible study and prayer.

At least that is how I view my posts/ threads on here.,.,,,



Am I suppose to act more "teachery" should I put on some glasses to make myself seem more sophisticated and smart?


Seriously though I know what you mean.

I just pray and trust God and His Holy spirit to lead them to His truth. I speak of I think folks will listen or if God places it in my heart to speak on a topic, but mostly I just silently pray.

Life is too busy for me to post on most threads.

I like yours cuz your honest even when we don't agree on something.....lol which is often.

 

[Ariel82]

Really?

I've found it's usually a cover to hide mental disorders...
but it doesn't hide them very well.

Mental disorders can be caused by many things. Most of the people I have spoken to were physically, mentally or sexually abused as young kids.

Split personality disorder happens to many people who suffer such childhood drama.

God can heal and make whole all the splits into a new creation for His glory, but it takes time and lots of love and counseling.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

here's a clue:

And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness.
(2 Timothy 2:24-25)​

that's ESV, other translations have 'forbearing' or 'not resentful' or 'longsuffering' where this version says 'patiently enduring evil'

is this showing us qualities a teacher must/should have?

I liked this post and to be honest,I'm guilty as anyone.
BTW,don't like this post lest you be found wanting.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Where does Christ say his sheep hear his voice and run from strangers? And then there is the obvious question, if we're hearing his voice, why do we need teachers?

IMO,we also need teachers to help win those who do not have CHRIST.Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

 

[Ariel82]

IMO,we also need teachers to help win those who do not have CHRIST.Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

Aren't those called evangelist?

Aren't we all called to spread the Gospel?

 

[posthuman]

I liked this post and to be honest,I'm guilty as anyone.
BTW,don't like this post lest you be found wanting.

Same sentiments as I wrote it

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Aren't those called evangelist?

Aren't we all called to spread the Gospel?

Depleted might ask the question,why do people that are already saved need an evangelist?

=Depleted;3444047]Where does Christ say his sheep hear his voice and run from strangers? And then there is the obvious question, if we're hearing his voice, why do we need teachers?

 

[notuptome]

The purpose of teachers is to disciple believers. Disciple them in the word of God. Teaching sound doctrine. Now the translation in Eph 4:11 inserts a conjunction between pastors and teachers. Really pastors are to be teachers.

All believers are to help other believers to grow in the knowledge of Christ. In that respect we are all to teach as part of our witness for Christ and our testimony of saving grace. We teach what we have received from the word of God by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will use the word of God to teach us and that word may come from a pastor or another believer.

We all teach by our walk with the Lord. Our children learn from us and so do other believers by the way we live and suffer for Christ.

Sometimes just being faithful in church attendance or prayer can have a great influence on another soul you may not even know was watching. So if you attend to a shut in or drop off some food for a needy family someone will notice and others will learn from the lesson.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Depleted]

Lynn,

First of all, thank you for your prayers, and I'm feeling sort of halfway better.

Next, although I understand this issue has doctrinal importance, and it's a serious issue, I think you've raised too many questions all at the same time. If we're asked too many questions at once, from too many different angles, it's hard to answer any of them sufficiently, or even to stay focused at all.



First let's make some distinctions:


A. Teaching can be defined different ways, either broadly or specifically... this will lead to confusion on the topic.

- There will be inherent confusion because you didn't start by defining your terms on a confusing issue.

- Since you didn't specify a particular definition for "teacher", then different people are going to answer your question in different ways.

- Please keep in mind, that in a general sense, every christian IS a teacher, just as every christian is a witness for Christ.


B. There is a certain gift of teaching mentioned in scripture, and normally this is recognized by a church body when you are officially given a teaching position by those in authority.

- This gift doesn't have to be recognized by the body for it to exist... but it needs to be recognized by the body to give you the authority of the body.

- This gift can be officially recognized, and put to use, in different ways.

You don't need to be an ordained minister to have the gift of teaching, or to have the gift recognized by the body... some laymen teach 3rd grade sunday school their whole lives, and they are very gifted, and they are a great blessing to the body.


C. Regardless of the doctrine on the "gift of teaching", it is an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MATTER to APPLY this doctrine to the context of a public forum, where EVERYONE is allowed to speak their mind freely and equally.

- It may be entirely irrelevant to discuss who is "really" a teacher, if we're talking about a place where everyone can speak freely, and no qualifications are required.

- Although this is a good doctrinal discussion, I don't think it has any relevance to a public forum where NO QUALIFICATIONS are required for anyone to speak.


D. In your church, the leaders can, and should, control who is allowed to teach, and who is signified as a "teacher"... but this forum is entirely beyond the bounds of any church authority.

- Essentially, no matter how much we dislike someone's teaching, they are allowed to speak freely until they violate the rules and get banned.

- Any psycho can claim to be a prophet, or an apostle, or a teacher, or anything else... and there is nothing we can do on this forum except debate them, and report them if they violate the rules.

Responding in like kind.

A. Ohhhh! That's where I went wrong! Same problem I have with writing, just different day. My main problem with writing is, "I know what I mean. I wrote what I mean. How come you don't get what I mean by what I wrote?" And, every time I do it, it comes down to the same answer, "Because I'm not telepathic, and didn't get what you mean."

In which case, when are YOU PEOPLE going to get with the program and become telepathic!

Too late for a do-over?

I really was talking office of teacher, not just moments of teaching. And, yes, it really does bother me when failed teachers -- people who should never be teachers -- think they were brought to this site to lay sermons out like they're hanging up the sheets, and everyone is supposed to love, admire, and glorify the sheets, because they are their sheets!

B. If someone is teaching third grade Sunday School, that person really was authorized to teach third grade Sunday school. No one picks the tenth person to enter the church that day to teach Sunday school. I've never been against learning from a truck driver, or a major, or a postman, or a mom. But, I am choosy on who I will learn from.

Immediate turn offs, are men who assume that since I'm a mere woman, they have authority to teach me, and do... immediately. And then there are the ones who start right away to teach, without even figuring out who the audience is. (And, I didn't even get into the ones who want to teach false doctrine in pleasant ways, in hopes no one notices they just nudged the gospel one-degree, but that usually isn't an immediate turn-off. That's one I don't catch until it's consistently like that. lol)

C. And D. Nope! Nope, nope, nope, nope. This is where we may end up having to agree to disagree, but do understand, even if we agree to disagree, it is no less like we've already agreed to disagree on Calvinist. i.e. disagreeing with you strongly on this one, is not the same as dismissing you, hating you, disparaging you, or any other negative way I could possibly treat you, just because we disagree. I still like you. I still consider you a bro in the Lord. I still respect you, even if we disagree, but I will try, with all I have in me, to convince you differently.

CC is my church. Not where I get my education on the Lord (often, although it does happen on occasion), but where I fellowship, edify, and rub elbows with other bros. Yes, absolutely, I get church should be a place in real life, and we would be churching IRL, if there was any way we could. We physically can't. Physically impossible to go to church, spend an hour for church service, or spend time with other people afterwards. We've been racking our brains for 18 years trying to figure out how to go to church without disrupting service, and haven't come up with a plan yet. And that's just the part where we'd be fed. The part where we could help feed is even harder. So, CC is my church.

And, I'm not the only disabled person on this site with the same problem, so it is our church.

And, yup. I really do get anyone is free to say anything about just-about-anything on this site. And, I'm pretty sure, I've been the one to say something about just-about-everything already. BUT that is not teaching. At least, it's not teaching as in the office of teacher.

Do you know what the qualification is for teacher on this site? The like button! One person clicks like and everyone else is going to think that post had something good to say. Well, everyone else, until we've been here a while and get to know who to trust with like buttons. lol

But am I asking Rob or Once or any mod to decide who our teachers are or aren't? Of course not! Not their job and not what this site is all about.

Funny thing is you do what I think we should do about it. You just did it to me. And I love you for that. (Well, "just" is a relative term. Sorry, got side track with Eagles winning the Super Bowl, so couldn't respond quicker than this, but in the grand scheme of things 24 hours still qualifies as "just." lol)

Challenge the not-a-teacher in their teachings. Let people get the person isn't a teacher. Because look at the junk being taught on the BDF. I haven't seen the forum's first page since yesterday, but I can guarantee a lot of teaching about a lot of crap is on it as I type this.

CC is my church. I get doors are wide open, so no telling who is going to pop up to teach us mere people some grand important thing next. But we sure can do something when the grand important thing isn't merely not-grand, nor not-important. It's hogwash!

And I really do want that to happen, because someone just became a Christian yesterday, so is eager to learn more about the Lord today, and will go online to learn, and land here.

So much crap taught to me in the very beginning of my walk with the Lord. 45 years later, and I just found another smudge of it in my thinking four days ago.

(Likewise, on a rare occasion, someone with teaching skills does teach. Good time for like buttons!)

Yeah. This is our church. Even if it's not our IRL church, it is. We can always give warning to the new folks. And maybe even teach the not-teachers why they aren't teachers. Who knows? Maybe it will teach them they will be teachers, but first they have some learning to do.

 

[Depleted]

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I just take the word for what it says..All mature believers should be able to teach others. Thats different from the office of teacher.

See? It's stuff like that that stops me from ignoring you. lol

Agreed!

 

[Depleted]

There are many things man may say that sound good because it appeals to the "flesh," builds up the flesh, and ministers to the flesh. Any thing other than Christ and the Cross, glorifies self and not God. Paul said, "have no confidence in the flesh." We must lay our "Isaac" down daily. Luke 9:23-24

Now here is the teaching. How does a Believer do this?

Sorry, I don't consider you a teacher.

And this thread is not your pulpit.

 

[Depleted]

How is the teacher led by the Holy Spirit? Please post scripture(s).

Again, you're not a teacher, and this isn't your pulpit. Not a problem to ask for clarification, but big problem to try and turn this into a "OldThanNew must learn from me" moment.

 

[Depleted]

nuts, there was something about quantum theory i really wanted to tell you

And if you tried teaching me it, I'd listen. Can't guarantee I'd get it or respond, but at least I'd listen. And, if I could form any question besides "huh?" I'd ask.

 

[Depleted]

Where did I even imply teachers of the true Word are not important?

Like I said, might have misunderstood. You caught me off guard by bypassing those verses. lol

 

[Depleted]

I have found that outrageous boasts of being a mighty prophet or apostle of God, often is a cover to hide deeper hurt and pain. Sometimes it's false delusions of power, but the Bible shows us that God's prophets are humble and contrite and displays His agape love.

We were group home parents at one time. Six teenage boys in the house. And they all came from the children's center that started the group home. The group home was supposed to be like a halfway house, so kids who were raised in a center could get a feeling of what it's like to be home, before they went out into the world, but, instead, the bureaucrats used it as a reward system. "If you behave well for X amount of months, you can go to the group home."

Meanwhile, the center had psychologists and psychiatrist doing their work to restore the kids to mental health, but, of course, too few of them and too many kids, so that wasn't effect. Instead, they'd boister their self-esteem.

The problem was, they weren't really. They were trying to get the kids to think highly of themselves, so they wouldn't cause problems.

One of the boys had an IQ of 100. Completely normal IQ, but they kept praising him for his brains. Even taught him how to play chess, because brainy people play chess. And he bought it hook, line, and sinker. Thus teachers were stupid, if they didn't give him As. And no one could think as well as he could.

That's the image I have of people who think they're prophets or apostles. Someone taught them that they were that special, and they haven't yet figured out the person teaching them lied.

 

[Depleted]

I didn't say the teachers opinion mattered....it's the students I refer to....
.if someone is a good teacher then those who they teach find it easier to understand scripture because the Spirit in them confirms the truth and it's also backed by scripture and helps them live more godly lives.....

It doesn't make people more prideful or leads them to more sin but to be more humble and loving and forgiving as God loves and forgives us.

Sorry if I don't make sense. I have a headache and my heart aches because I am worried for a friend.,,actually two. One is suicidal.

Lord,
Give Ariel what she needs to help her friends, even if that is just your comfort.

And give those friends a glimpse so clearly of you, that the hopelessness leaves them.

Amen

 

[Depleted]

Authority is an obession for those who seek power and prestige.

Personally I am okay without authority because the responsibility is a heavy burden to bear if you don't have God's calling in your life to hold such offices.

Pride often cause people with false authority to fall and lead their flock off a theological cliff.

Reading backwards through your thread to distract myself...not really working....might just go pray and listen the Bible for a bit...

Pffft!

You're Mom! You're going to have to get used to being authoritative, because you are an authority.

 

[Depleted]

Come on Lynn...I always look at this forum as a place where the first graders got to present their class projects to the world and we are to give constructive criticism back so they can refine their message or even go back to the drawing board; nor bible study and prayer.

At least that is how I view my posts/ threads on here.,.,,,



Am I suppose to act more "teachery" should I put on some glasses to make myself seem more sophisticated and smart?


Seriously though I know what you mean.

I just pray and trust God and His Holy spirit to lead them to His truth. I speak of I think folks will listen or if God places it in my heart to speak on a topic, but mostly I just silently pray.

Life is too busy for me to post on most threads.

I like yours cuz your honest even when we don't agree on something.....lol which is often.

I wear glasses. Sorry, still not-teacher. lol

I like your posts because they don't come off as "Me teacher. You student. Shut up and learn from my well of wisdom."

 

[Depleted]

Aren't those called evangelist?

Aren't we all called to spread the Gospel?

Evangelist -- another both a gift and an office.

I'm no teacher. I'm the most wonderful of all teachers compared to my evangelical abilities.

After hubby came to the Lord, he didn't know what to do next so found a church run by evangelists. They really were the kinds of guys who brought plenty of people to the Lord. Unfortunately, they didn't know what to teach them other than they needed to come to the Lord. The church ended up like a runaway shelter. It was a place for people to come afterward, and yet usually a place to find out where to go next. Because that wasn't it. lol

 

[Depleted]

Depleted might ask the question,why do people that are already saved need an evangelist?

Whoops. I think I just did. lol