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I wear glasses. Sorry, still not-teacher. lol
I like your posts because they don't come off as "Me teacher. You student. Shut up and learn from my well of wisdom."
I like your posts because they don't come off as "Me teacher. You student. Shut up and learn from my well of wisdom."
Godly teachers always point us back to the True source of wisdom: Christ Jesus and His Holy bible.
Responding in like kind.
A. Ohhhh! That's where I went wrong! Same problem I have with writing, just different day. My main problem with writing is, "I know what I mean. I wrote what I mean. How come you don't get what I mean by what I wrote?" And, every time I do it, it comes down to the same answer, "Because I'm not telepathic, and didn't get what you mean."
In which case, when are YOU PEOPLE going to get with the program and become telepathic!
Too late for a do-over?
I really was talking office of teacher, not just moments of teaching. And, yes, it really does bother me when failed teachers -- people who should never be teachers -- think they were brought to this site to lay sermons out like they're hanging up the sheets, and everyone is supposed to love, admire, and glorify the sheets, because they are their sheets!
B. If someone is teaching third grade Sunday School, that person really was authorized to teach third grade Sunday school. No one picks the tenth person to enter the church that day to teach Sunday school. I've never been against learning from a truck driver, or a major, or a postman, or a mom. But, I am choosy on who I will learn from.
Immediate turn offs, are men who assume that since I'm a mere woman, they have authority to teach me, and do... immediately. And then there are the ones who start right away to teach, without even figuring out who the audience is. (And, I didn't even get into the ones who want to teach false doctrine in pleasant ways, in hopes no one notices they just nudged the gospel one-degree, but that usually isn't an immediate turn-off. That's one I don't catch until it's consistently like that. lol)
C. And D. Nope! Nope, nope, nope, nope. This is where we may end up having to agree to disagree, but do understand, even if we agree to disagree, it is no less like we've already agreed to disagree on Calvinist. i.e. disagreeing with you strongly on this one, is not the same as dismissing you, hating you, disparaging you, or any other negative way I could possibly treat you, just because we disagree. I still like you. I still consider you a bro in the Lord. I still respect you, even if we disagree, but I will try, with all I have in me, to convince you differently.
CC is my church. Not where I get my education on the Lord (often, although it does happen on occasion), but where I fellowship, edify, and rub elbows with other bros. Yes, absolutely, I get church should be a place in real life, and we would be churching IRL, if there was any way we could. We physically can't. Physically impossible to go to church, spend an hour for church service, or spend time with other people afterwards. We've been racking our brains for 18 years trying to figure out how to go to church without disrupting service, and haven't come up with a plan yet. And that's just the part where we'd be fed. The part where we could help feed is even harder. So, CC is my church.
And, I'm not the only disabled person on this site with the same problem, so it is our church.
And, yup. I really do get anyone is free to say anything about just-about-anything on this site. And, I'm pretty sure, I've been the one to say something about just-about-everything already. BUT that is not teaching. At least, it's not teaching as in the office of teacher.
Do you know what the qualification is for teacher on this site? The like button! One person clicks like and everyone else is going to think that post had something good to say. Well, everyone else, until we've been here a while and get to know who to trust with like buttons. lol
But am I asking Rob or Once or any mod to decide who our teachers are or aren't? Of course not! Not their job and not what this site is all about.
Funny thing is you do what I think we should do about it. You just did it to me. And I love you for that. (Well, "just" is a relative term. Sorry, got side track with Eagles winning the Super Bowl, so couldn't respond quicker than this, but in the grand scheme of things 24 hours still qualifies as "just." lol)
Challenge the not-a-teacher in their teachings. Let people get the person isn't a teacher. Because look at the junk being taught on the BDF. I haven't seen the forum's first page since yesterday, but I can guarantee a lot of teaching about a lot of crap is on it as I type this.
CC is my church. I get doors are wide open, so no telling who is going to pop up to teach us mere people some grand important thing next. But we sure can do something when the grand important thing isn't merely not-grand, nor not-important. It's hogwash!
And I really do want that to happen, because someone just became a Christian yesterday, so is eager to learn more about the Lord today, and will go online to learn, and land here.
So much crap taught to me in the very beginning of my walk with the Lord. 45 years later, and I just found another smudge of it in my thinking four days ago.
(Likewise, on a rare occasion, someone with teaching skills does teach. Good time for like buttons!)
Yeah. This is our church. Even if it's not our IRL church, it is. We can always give warning to the new folks. And maybe even teach the not-teachers why they aren't teachers. Who knows? Maybe it will teach them they will be teachers, but first they have some learning to do.
A. Ohhhh! That's where I went wrong! Same problem I have with writing, just different day. My main problem with writing is, "I know what I mean. I wrote what I mean. How come you don't get what I mean by what I wrote?" And, every time I do it, it comes down to the same answer, "Because I'm not telepathic, and didn't get what you mean."
In which case, when are YOU PEOPLE going to get with the program and become telepathic!
Too late for a do-over?
I really was talking office of teacher, not just moments of teaching. And, yes, it really does bother me when failed teachers -- people who should never be teachers -- think they were brought to this site to lay sermons out like they're hanging up the sheets, and everyone is supposed to love, admire, and glorify the sheets, because they are their sheets!
B. If someone is teaching third grade Sunday School, that person really was authorized to teach third grade Sunday school. No one picks the tenth person to enter the church that day to teach Sunday school. I've never been against learning from a truck driver, or a major, or a postman, or a mom. But, I am choosy on who I will learn from.
Immediate turn offs, are men who assume that since I'm a mere woman, they have authority to teach me, and do... immediately. And then there are the ones who start right away to teach, without even figuring out who the audience is. (And, I didn't even get into the ones who want to teach false doctrine in pleasant ways, in hopes no one notices they just nudged the gospel one-degree, but that usually isn't an immediate turn-off. That's one I don't catch until it's consistently like that. lol)
C. And D. Nope! Nope, nope, nope, nope. This is where we may end up having to agree to disagree, but do understand, even if we agree to disagree, it is no less like we've already agreed to disagree on Calvinist. i.e. disagreeing with you strongly on this one, is not the same as dismissing you, hating you, disparaging you, or any other negative way I could possibly treat you, just because we disagree. I still like you. I still consider you a bro in the Lord. I still respect you, even if we disagree, but I will try, with all I have in me, to convince you differently.
CC is my church. Not where I get my education on the Lord (often, although it does happen on occasion), but where I fellowship, edify, and rub elbows with other bros. Yes, absolutely, I get church should be a place in real life, and we would be churching IRL, if there was any way we could. We physically can't. Physically impossible to go to church, spend an hour for church service, or spend time with other people afterwards. We've been racking our brains for 18 years trying to figure out how to go to church without disrupting service, and haven't come up with a plan yet. And that's just the part where we'd be fed. The part where we could help feed is even harder. So, CC is my church.
And, I'm not the only disabled person on this site with the same problem, so it is our church.
And, yup. I really do get anyone is free to say anything about just-about-anything on this site. And, I'm pretty sure, I've been the one to say something about just-about-everything already. BUT that is not teaching. At least, it's not teaching as in the office of teacher.
Do you know what the qualification is for teacher on this site? The like button! One person clicks like and everyone else is going to think that post had something good to say. Well, everyone else, until we've been here a while and get to know who to trust with like buttons. lol
But am I asking Rob or Once or any mod to decide who our teachers are or aren't? Of course not! Not their job and not what this site is all about.
Funny thing is you do what I think we should do about it. You just did it to me. And I love you for that. (Well, "just" is a relative term. Sorry, got side track with Eagles winning the Super Bowl, so couldn't respond quicker than this, but in the grand scheme of things 24 hours still qualifies as "just." lol)
Challenge the not-a-teacher in their teachings. Let people get the person isn't a teacher. Because look at the junk being taught on the BDF. I haven't seen the forum's first page since yesterday, but I can guarantee a lot of teaching about a lot of crap is on it as I type this.
CC is my church. I get doors are wide open, so no telling who is going to pop up to teach us mere people some grand important thing next. But we sure can do something when the grand important thing isn't merely not-grand, nor not-important. It's hogwash!
And I really do want that to happen, because someone just became a Christian yesterday, so is eager to learn more about the Lord today, and will go online to learn, and land here.
So much crap taught to me in the very beginning of my walk with the Lord. 45 years later, and I just found another smudge of it in my thinking four days ago.
(Likewise, on a rare occasion, someone with teaching skills does teach. Good time for like buttons!)
Yeah. This is our church. Even if it's not our IRL church, it is. We can always give warning to the new folks. And maybe even teach the not-teachers why they aren't teachers. Who knows? Maybe it will teach them they will be teachers, but first they have some learning to do.
CC is a church?
Hey Lynn,
I think we agree on everything except CC being a church.
I understand that CC has a different value and a different meaning to different people...
that's because different people are... DIFFERENT!
So certainly CC can have a different meaning for you than for me;
that's perfectly reasonable, and we should expect that.
But if we're going to go so far as to call CC a church... I think we'd be stretching the definition of church beyond the breaking point. If we're going to us any Biblical definition of church at all, then CC just isn't going to fit that definition.
What IS CC?
Can CC be a place of fellowship?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you minister to others?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you receive ministry?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you pray and encourage other believers?
Sure.
But you can do all those things at the local bowling alley if there's another Christian there... and that doesn't make the bowling alley a church.
Going someplace and finding fellowship with another believer doesn't turn the place into a church.
It just means you found fellowship with another believer.
If you find fellowship with another believer on CC, it no more turns CC into a church than it turns a local bar into a church because you find a Christian there.
The word "church" means "called out assembly"; it's a group of believers that is called together, by God, to assembly and do certain things a local church is supposed to do.
CC just doesn't do those things that a church is supposed to do.
- CC has no elders and deacons, therefore no spiritual authority of any kind over the members.
- CC has no pastors, again, having no authority and no leadership of any kind.
- CC has no creedal statements or mission statements that I can find.
They have some rules, but I don't even think they even have a statement of faith any longer. (If they did have a mission statement, it would be nothing like the mission statement of a church... because it's not a church, and doesn't have the same goals.)
- CC isn't a body believers assembling in unity to do the Lord's work... cc is rather a hodge podge of people from all different denominations that have NO INTENTION of working together or doing ANYTHING constructive at all.
- There are often so many "non Christians" here that I often wonder if you could call this a Christian place at all... it's often brimming full of atheists, occultists, muslims, anti-christian political activists, and religious heretics of every persuasion.
If you pick any orthodox definition of "christian", I don't think you'll find the majority of people here even fit a definition of being Christians.
- CC, because it is not a church, and has no leadership or religious authority, cannot and does not perform the sacraments (Baptism and Lord's Supper) which are commanded to the churches to perform.
- CC, because it is not a church and has no leadership or religious authority, cannot ordain ministers, send out missionaries, perform weddings, perform funerals, give sanctioned pastoral counseling, or place people into any positions of spiritual authority or leadership.
- Because CC isn't a church, neither the owner nor the staff members, are accountable to any church body or authority, either internally or externally.
- Because CC isn't a church it cannot interact with other churches, and do "church projects"... because it isn't a church.
- Because CC isn't a church it has no worship services, no teaching services, and no teaching or training programs of any kind.
I could go on and on and on... but CC just isn't a church.
It has no authority, no leadership, no spiritual governance, no pastors, no elders, no deacons, no articles of faith, no mission statement, no sacraments or ordinances, no teaching or worship services... and because of this... because it has absolutely no spiritual leadership or authority.... most of the people here probably aren't even Christians at all.
CC may be a place you go for fellowship.
That's great.
But it's not a church.
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Defense:
CC may be perfectly good at being a Christian website.
It may be doing a great job of being a place where people can gather, online, and discussion Christian ideas.
It's probably doing very well at the job of being a Christian website.
CC is doing it's job.
But it's job simply isn't to be a church.
CC may be perfectly good at being a Christian website.
It may be doing a great job of being a place where people can gather, online, and discussion Christian ideas.
It's probably doing very well at the job of being a Christian website.
CC is doing it's job.
But it's job simply isn't to be a church.
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I believe that Robo Op and his moderators are the pastors and elders and there was a statement of faith at the top of the forum in sticky note forum.
Haven't look to see if it's still there.
Since this site is mostly run by volunteers and open 24/7
You have a lot of people coming and discussing things.....like at a coffee shop or before service starts.
I know at one time RoboOp and some of the trusted mods would get on the chat room and moderate a weekly bible study.
Havent seen anything like that in a while.
I guess we have to define what church means to us.
Folks can make small groups here if they feel moved or have private message conversation.
For me CC is more of an interchurch fellowship hall, where people can talk about Jesus and the Bible and many of the doctrines (both true and false) being taught in churches today.
The moderators.makes sure everyone is civil and leave the discernment to each of us.
Lynn, sometimes we just have to encourage folks to put on their big boy pants and think for themselves instead of eating the candy coated dung of false doctrines.
Haven't look to see if it's still there.
Since this site is mostly run by volunteers and open 24/7
You have a lot of people coming and discussing things.....like at a coffee shop or before service starts.
I know at one time RoboOp and some of the trusted mods would get on the chat room and moderate a weekly bible study.
Havent seen anything like that in a while.
I guess we have to define what church means to us.
Folks can make small groups here if they feel moved or have private message conversation.
For me CC is more of an interchurch fellowship hall, where people can talk about Jesus and the Bible and many of the doctrines (both true and false) being taught in churches today.
The moderators.makes sure everyone is civil and leave the discernment to each of us.
Lynn, sometimes we just have to encourage folks to put on their big boy pants and think for themselves instead of eating the candy coated dung of false doctrines.
Read John 10, it’s in there. I should have said “..know his voice...” not “hear”. Regarding your question, when you are born you don’t know everything. It is a process, making mistakes, learning to trust Him and that’s how we grow. Eventually we reach the point where our knowledge and experience is sufficient to finish the journey by taking a student and being a mentor or teacher. Every child of God should be able to identify the wolves in sheeps clothing.
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He is a pastor in real life, but he probably doesn't consider this his church...probably more like a ministry where some serve the world community.
Moderators have authority to kick people off the site, close threads, etc which is what elders do in a church sometimes.
As I said I don't consider CC a church either but is is more than a bowling alley.
Our church sometimes have pancake prayer breakfasts that invite the community in to fellowship.
This place is more like one of those events than a Sunday sermon or even a Bible study class.
If you think the conversation is absurd.., you have been here long enough to know you don't have to keep reading.
Moderators have authority to kick people off the site, close threads, etc which is what elders do in a church sometimes.
As I said I don't consider CC a church either but is is more than a bowling alley.
Our church sometimes have pancake prayer breakfasts that invite the community in to fellowship.
This place is more like one of those events than a Sunday sermon or even a Bible study class.
If you think the conversation is absurd.., you have been here long enough to know you don't have to keep reading.
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IMO, based on scripture, a Teacher is an office in a church. Holy Spirit appointed offices.
We all can share what we see in the scriptures, but there's no authority over anyone in this regard. Except for moderators whose job is to address concerns of those in disagreement. It's how I view it should be, but not necessarily can be with volunteers and not enough time available to be here.
So debates begin. Which is really the only way a forum can be without church authority. Which it isn't anyway.
We all can share what we see in the scriptures, but there's no authority over anyone in this regard. Except for moderators whose job is to address concerns of those in disagreement. It's how I view it should be, but not necessarily can be with volunteers and not enough time available to be here.
So debates begin. Which is really the only way a forum can be without church authority. Which it isn't anyway.
Technically, there are only two offices in a local church (according to the NT): (1) elders and (2) deacons. However since one of the qualifications of an elder is that he must be "apt to teach" (which means a competent teacher) for all practical purposes it becomes an office. A truly NT church would have a balance of evangelists, pastors, and teachers among the elders, but most churches have rejected the NT pattern.
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CC is a church?
Hey Lynn,
I think we agree on everything except CC being a church.
I understand that CC has a different value and a different meaning to different people...
that's because different people are... DIFFERENT!
So certainly CC can have a different meaning for you than for me;
that's perfectly reasonable, and we should expect that.
But if we're going to go so far as to call CC a church... I think we'd be stretching the definition of church beyond the breaking point. If we're going to us any Biblical definition of church at all, then CC just isn't going to fit that definition.
What IS CC?
Can CC be a place of fellowship?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you minister to others?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you receive ministry?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you pray and encourage other believers?
Sure.
But you can do all those things at the local bowling alley if there's another Christian there... and that doesn't make the bowling alley a church.
Going someplace and finding fellowship with another believer doesn't turn the place into a church.
It just means you found fellowship with another believer.
If you find fellowship with another believer on CC, it no more turns CC into a church than it turns a local bar into a church because you find a Christian there.
The word "church" means "called out assembly"; it's a group of believers that is called together, by God, to assembly and do certain things a local church is supposed to do.
CC just doesn't do those things that a church is supposed to do.
- CC has no elders and deacons, therefore no spiritual authority of any kind over the members.
- CC has no pastors, again, having no authority and no leadership of any kind.
- CC has no creedal statements or mission statements that I can find.
They have some rules, but I don't even think they even have a statement of faith any longer. (If they did have a mission statement, it would be nothing like the mission statement of a church... because it's not a church, and doesn't have the same goals.)
- CC isn't a body believers assembling in unity to do the Lord's work... cc is rather a hodge podge of people from all different denominations that have NO INTENTION of working together or doing ANYTHING constructive at all.
- There are often so many "non Christians" here that I often wonder if you could call this a Christian place at all... it's often brimming full of atheists, occultists, muslims, anti-christian political activists, and religious heretics of every persuasion.
If you pick any orthodox definition of "christian", I don't think you'll find the majority of people here even fit a definition of being Christians.
- CC, because it is not a church, and has no leadership or religious authority, cannot and does not perform the sacraments (Baptism and Lord's Supper) which are commanded to the churches to perform.
- CC, because it is not a church and has no leadership or religious authority, cannot ordain ministers, send out missionaries, perform weddings, perform funerals, give sanctioned pastoral counseling, or place people into any positions of spiritual authority or leadership.
- Because CC isn't a church, neither the owner nor the staff members, are accountable to any church body or authority, either internally or externally.
- Because CC isn't a church it cannot interact with other churches, and do "church projects"... because it isn't a church.
- Because CC isn't a church it has no worship services, no teaching services, and no teaching or training programs of any kind.
I could go on and on and on... but CC just isn't a church.
It has no authority, no leadership, no spiritual governance, no pastors, no elders, no deacons, no articles of faith, no mission statement, no sacraments or ordinances, no teaching or worship services... and because of this... because it has absolutely no spiritual leadership or authority.... most of the people here probably aren't even Christians at all.
CC may be a place you go for fellowship.
That's great.
But it's not a church.
Hey Lynn,
I think we agree on everything except CC being a church.
I understand that CC has a different value and a different meaning to different people...
that's because different people are... DIFFERENT!
So certainly CC can have a different meaning for you than for me;
that's perfectly reasonable, and we should expect that.
But if we're going to go so far as to call CC a church... I think we'd be stretching the definition of church beyond the breaking point. If we're going to us any Biblical definition of church at all, then CC just isn't going to fit that definition.
What IS CC?
Can CC be a place of fellowship?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you minister to others?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you receive ministry?
Sure.
Can it be a place where you pray and encourage other believers?
Sure.
But you can do all those things at the local bowling alley if there's another Christian there... and that doesn't make the bowling alley a church.
Going someplace and finding fellowship with another believer doesn't turn the place into a church.
It just means you found fellowship with another believer.
If you find fellowship with another believer on CC, it no more turns CC into a church than it turns a local bar into a church because you find a Christian there.
The word "church" means "called out assembly"; it's a group of believers that is called together, by God, to assembly and do certain things a local church is supposed to do.
CC just doesn't do those things that a church is supposed to do.
- CC has no elders and deacons, therefore no spiritual authority of any kind over the members.
- CC has no pastors, again, having no authority and no leadership of any kind.
- CC has no creedal statements or mission statements that I can find.
They have some rules, but I don't even think they even have a statement of faith any longer. (If they did have a mission statement, it would be nothing like the mission statement of a church... because it's not a church, and doesn't have the same goals.)
- CC isn't a body believers assembling in unity to do the Lord's work... cc is rather a hodge podge of people from all different denominations that have NO INTENTION of working together or doing ANYTHING constructive at all.
- There are often so many "non Christians" here that I often wonder if you could call this a Christian place at all... it's often brimming full of atheists, occultists, muslims, anti-christian political activists, and religious heretics of every persuasion.
If you pick any orthodox definition of "christian", I don't think you'll find the majority of people here even fit a definition of being Christians.
- CC, because it is not a church, and has no leadership or religious authority, cannot and does not perform the sacraments (Baptism and Lord's Supper) which are commanded to the churches to perform.
- CC, because it is not a church and has no leadership or religious authority, cannot ordain ministers, send out missionaries, perform weddings, perform funerals, give sanctioned pastoral counseling, or place people into any positions of spiritual authority or leadership.
- Because CC isn't a church, neither the owner nor the staff members, are accountable to any church body or authority, either internally or externally.
- Because CC isn't a church it cannot interact with other churches, and do "church projects"... because it isn't a church.
- Because CC isn't a church it has no worship services, no teaching services, and no teaching or training programs of any kind.
I could go on and on and on... but CC just isn't a church.
It has no authority, no leadership, no spiritual governance, no pastors, no elders, no deacons, no articles of faith, no mission statement, no sacraments or ordinances, no teaching or worship services... and because of this... because it has absolutely no spiritual leadership or authority.... most of the people here probably aren't even Christians at all.
CC may be a place you go for fellowship.
That's great.
But it's not a church.
I really do get what you mean it's not a church, and yet, it really is the best some of us can do for church.
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Since I can't do bowling allies, (or Dunkin Donuts lol), yup. I see the shortcomings from miles away, and yet CC is the best I can do for church.
I really do get what you mean it's not a church, and yet, it really is the best some of us can do for church.
I really do get what you mean it's not a church, and yet, it really is the best some of us can do for church.
So though I don't consider this place a church,i do believe it is doing God's work in the world.
.at least it has in my life.
Folks don't know this about me but the two people I believe who mentored me most during that infancy of my faith and before I could find a good church to attend was Abiding (who has since rejoined God) and Zone (who rub people the wrong way and we fought a lot but I consider a great blessing in my life.)
Anyway I was going to go to the prayer forum and ask for prayer but I feel that many of those who love and at willing will see this post and pray with and for me, no matter where I post it.
My heart is heavy and sad and I don't know why or have any logical explanation but feel that if folks would pray,God will reveal what is troubling my heart or take away the sadness.
Have a blessed day.
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Maybe I should call CC my Christian coffeehouse?! (meh. My luck. Also don't like coffee. lol)
Really not a church, but this is about it for like-minded folks for me, apart from hubby. And other than his insistence that it's green eggs, but not green ham, and there are no other inhabited worlds in the entire universe, we agree with each other on most stuff. So, really not rubbing elbows or working at fellowship with him. We agree too often, so don't usually get on each other's nerves. (I say that knowing he's on my nerve today, and yet, probably because I misunderstood something, but have to wait for him to wake up before finding out if he should be on my nerve. lol) Can't really flex the Christian muscles, when we're together so much.
And, I'm all for getting people to put on their big boy/girl pants, however, it's much harder than that to tell if someone is old enough to do that themselves. After all, a 14 year old can be wearing men's pants, and yet a 54 year old might still be wearing diapers, spiritually speaking.
I'm very anti wanting babes in Christ thinking they're in pants, when really they're being told to wear a two-ton truck as pants, yet they just don't know they're being sold a bill of goods for something that isn't even Christian. (Proper eschatology = saving grace. Saving grace = be sinless. Sinless = don't drink, don't dance, don't chew, and spurn the ones who do.)
Really not a church, but this is about it for like-minded folks for me, apart from hubby. And other than his insistence that it's green eggs, but not green ham, and there are no other inhabited worlds in the entire universe, we agree with each other on most stuff. So, really not rubbing elbows or working at fellowship with him. We agree too often, so don't usually get on each other's nerves. (I say that knowing he's on my nerve today, and yet, probably because I misunderstood something, but have to wait for him to wake up before finding out if he should be on my nerve. lol) Can't really flex the Christian muscles, when we're together so much.
And, I'm all for getting people to put on their big boy/girl pants, however, it's much harder than that to tell if someone is old enough to do that themselves. After all, a 14 year old can be wearing men's pants, and yet a 54 year old might still be wearing diapers, spiritually speaking.
I'm very anti wanting babes in Christ thinking they're in pants, when really they're being told to wear a two-ton truck as pants, yet they just don't know they're being sold a bill of goods for something that isn't even Christian. (Proper eschatology = saving grace. Saving grace = be sinless. Sinless = don't drink, don't dance, don't chew, and spurn the ones who do.
)
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RobO is a pastor? Is he nuts? (Just kidding RobO, if you read this.) Sooo, all he does is pastor, raise a family, and power this site. I just got visions of him getting the 48-hour day some of us wish we did have. Pastoring is a 364 hour week. Running this site is a 364 hour week. Let's just skip seeing family on occasion. How does anyone do that?
