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[MahogonySnail]

There is much deceit in every movement, particularly those who think the spiritual gifts have ceased And frankly I'm sick of people knocking charismatics. If those people knock charismatics had even half as much of the zeal, joy, and power expressed in charismatics, then their frowning prune-faced religious nanny churches would be seeing people coming into the doors instead of losing numbers and leaving.

The problem is I see your finger always pointing at others but have you ever taken the time for self-reflection and point the finger at yourself from time to time.

Also Roaring I don't mind people saying what's wrong and what's right, but when those statements of what is right is coupled with threats of hellfire if you don't believe exactly as you do, I disregard it.

I have already been called a fool, a liar, a satanic messenger, a divider, a biggest threat to Christianity..I can relate to this verse very well:

That's to be expected from non-christians, unbelievers, those who hate the truth. But if you are ever called these things by fellow brethren, brothers and sisters in Christ, I'd take a good hard long look at myself to see whether I, not others, are the problem. Do that first, and get your doctrine straight and right first , it does really take a lifetime of walking with Christ to be able to say "I know this to be true 100% without error" and label everyone else as wrong. Who knows, in 5 years time you may be a tongue-speaking charismatic how do you know where God will lead you and what He will teach you tomorrow.

 

[NoahsDad]

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 4:5

you forgot some of this verse
Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
Rom 3:6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Rom 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose ****ation is just.
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
I'm not jewish Nor do I believe that I have to sacrifice animals,get circomcised ,or go to the temple mount to worship God,or build an alter of unheun stones etc.
Why do you contenue to bash people for their understanding when you have not much of your own?Granted you know more than some but not as much as the more mature Christians that Ive spoken to.
I dont only talk to and study with Charismatic christians,nor do I only study with Baptist,s.More mature christians KNow that learning is a growing process,And they also know if they(christians) dont ask you they wont hear anything you have to say anywayuntill they meet a dead end,Then you can be there with a helping hand to get them back on the road.
I really dont know why I'm telling you this,Cuz you prolly wont listen to what I have to say,You have your mind made up that yours is the right way,so them that wont be told must be showed.Unfortunatly I aint gunna be the one to show you or any of the others that believe like you do.But just a friendly warning,Some in here and in the church today on a crusade to show all the other CHRISTIANS they are wrong are geting really close to being fools and stripes are reserved for the fools back.
Pro 11:29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart.
Friend(I call you friend because you belong under the same covenant that I belong under,)your house is the house of God,and also remember this
Pro 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.



Let me show you a very powerful verse that is increible for witnessing.
Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Pro 1:24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
Pro 1:25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof
Take this to heart and meditate on it and what it means as a witnessing tool.
What does it mean to be "simple"? or A "Scorner"?,Or even a Fool?
HOLLA youngin,Ill be prayin for you Please keep me and my family in yours aswell.

 

[NoahsDad]

I think BLC made a great point. I am more concerned about people believing the correct gospel. Which has been my main point all along. When I compare people's testimony to the Scriptures and they do not line up with the Word(Isaiah 8:20), especially concerning salvation, I will warn them! Not because I like making people mad, but because I want to correct them out of concern in my heart for them! satan is a master of SUBTLE deceit(2 Corinthians 11:3-4, Galatians 1:6-9, 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, Matthew 24:24). Many Christians just cant discern it or wont expose anything, because we're too busy worrying about offending someone. I know I have offended many for taking a stand against false doctrine. I hate having to offend people, but sometimes that just happens when speaking the truth....Christianity today is in dire need of more Christians who are willing to lose their reputations for telling the truth. I have already been called a fool, a liar, a satanic messenger, a divider, a biggest threat to Christianity..I can relate to this verse very well:

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:16

There are many topics that are negotiable, salvation is not. There is much evidence that there is deceit in the charismatic movement. And I have already provided Scriptural proof.
But I will follow the Lord over the opinions of man(John 12:42-43) and continue to expose false doctrines. I do this out of concern and love for my brethren. Sorry if you cant see it!

Oh BTW It Looks like you didnt read my responce to BLC ....Think Ill repost the point I was tryin to make since I dont think you saw it

1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness;(
praotēs
Thayer Definition:
1) gentleness, mildness, meekness &
praotēs
prah-ot'-ace
From G4235; gentleness; by implication humility: - meekness.
considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Gal 6:4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden

 

[NoahsDad]

hmmmmmm fell on def ears perhaps

 

[NoahsDad]

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[Abing]

thank you im grateful

 

[Baruch]

There is much deceit in every movement, particularly those who think the spiritual gifts have ceased And frankly I'm sick of people knocking charismatics.

Maybe they shouldn't be setting themselves up to be knocked down by calling other churches as dead if they do not follow after the charismatics. That is the same as knocking other believers and churches down FIRST and so when they rise up and looked at what you are promoting and how, it does not line up with the Word of God. As there is a real gift of tongues given by God for the edification of the body withal as in followed by the interpretation of tongues and thus not a stand alone gift, and as there are tongues in the world that are gibberish serving as a prayer language, is it any wonder why some believers declare tongues have ceased since the purpose for them are being met by the available scriptures? As you have stated, there is much deceit in every movement, and yet you fail to recognize the ones in your own. I would like to believe the Gospel is still being spread by tongues speaking foreign languages that God has raised up to do, but I do not know. What I do know is that I do not believe YOU and all the hype I am hearing about tongues, and thus I do not believe God would manifest the real tongues when so many false teachings has arisen from them that leans towards apostasy:

Yes. Apostasy.. as standing apart from the truth by saying there is another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only ONE! I would call that as the spirit of error. If no lie is of the truth, why would the Spirit of Truth mislead someone so "empowered" by the "Spirit" that a lie pops out and continues to spread like wildfire unchecked?

1 Corinthians 12:13 & Ephesians 4:4-6 are still being ignored by you and other tongue speakers while you guys favour reading inbetween the lines in Acts just to go with the flow and out of testing them.

Like Benny Hinn caught in the trespass of necromancy. You ignored that information and went on posting to another poster about what a great service you had seen of Benny Hinn's. No pause. No concern for Benny Hinn. Just plain.. we roll with whatever comes and test not the spirits. 1 Timothy 4:1-2 screams out and you look the other way.

The problem is I see your finger always pointing at others but have you ever taken the time for self-reflection and point the finger at yourself from time to time.

Do take your own advise the next time you are calling a church dead as you are not pointing to Jesus to have life... but preaching another spirit to receive. You deserve to be rebuked and to be knocked down because if those that know better do not, then Christ Jesus will, come judgment on the House of God.

So go ahead and be sick of yourself for setting up the charismatics to be knocked down. Indeed, seemingly the charismatics are setting themselves up to be knocked down anyway... by the "spirit".

And yet Jesus is keeping me from falling and thus being true to His Word so that I may be a witness of Him NOW as having been saved and made His. Jude 1:24-25

 

[Baruch]

Say goodbye to the world.

Goodbye world.

 

[NoahsMom]

ABING-THANK YOU ...for being a blessing to me.