That Hebrews 10v26 Thread

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Chris1975

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Basically, you have no right to judge me as to whether I keep God's commandments. It is between me and God. I have a relationship with God, through the power of the Holy Spirit. Because of that loving relationship, I rejoice in obeying him. I confess my sins immediately, and God is the one who reminds me to do that.

You, on the other hand, sadly, have a legalistic view of Scripture. Are you close to God? I doubt it, or you would not be judging or condemning Christians. You would want to share the real gospel with non-Christians. You would be passionate for them, instead of legalistic about one passage of the Bible, which you have improperly exegeted.

I will pray that God will open your eyes to his truth. You need to grow up, from these basic wrong ideas of theology and the Bible, and learn who Jesus is, and that he came to set us free, not bind us with fear of failure. Read the truth, by exegeting the text, instead of doing incorrect eisegesis, or reading your theology, INto (eis) the Bible, instead of taking OUT (ex) what is said. Instead of starting with what you believe, start with what the Bible says, and take out of the Bible what it is actually saying.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." John 8:36

Just out of curiosity, how many times have you read the Bible, and in which languages, which translations? I find a lot of people who read the KJV often stumble in their theology, because they do not understand the grammar, or what the words mean. You have posted a few verses, but I don't remember which versions. I have read many versions in English, from ESV, Holman's, NASB and NIV. Also the paraphrases, like the Message and the NLT, which I know the Bible well enough to disagree with what is being said. Right now, I am reading the NET, because it's interesting to read the 66,000 footnotes. Although a good knowledge of Greek and Hebrew helps a lot.
I find it interesting that you attack me yet I have not attacked you. You jumped into a conversation that was not addressed to you. I was in a discussion with EleventhHour. Someone who does not believe in repentance (unlike you apparently). She has so far admitted that there is nothing that a believer can do to lose salvation. And no need to repent. Basically carry on like the world. Now.... Having read all the translations and languages and multiple times...tell me....is EleventhHour correct in her doctrine?

This is the conversation you jumped into. The one you attacked me for. Tell me... Is your doctrine aligned to hers?
 

EleventhHour

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I find it interesting that you attack me yet I have not attacked you. You jumped into a conversation that was not addressed to you. I was in a discussion with EleventhHour. Someone who does not believe in repentance (unlike you apparently). She has so far admitted that there is nothing that a believer can do to lose salvation. And no need to repent. Basically carry on like the world. Now.... Having read all the translations and languages and multiple times...tell me....is EleventhHour correct in her doctrine?

This is the conversation you jumped into. The one you attacked me for. Tell me... Is your doctrine aligned to hers?
I have never once stated that we should carry on in the world.... amazing you would make that accusation about me to someone else who may not know me that well, so as if to persuade them that I preach some type of lawlessness.

Very disingenuous!!

Does not matter we both know salvation is secure... which you have yet to come to terms with, that is the point and your divide an conquer tactics are not going to work.
 

Chris1975

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I have never once stated that we should carry on in the world.... amazing you would make that accusation about me to someone else who may not know me that well, so as if to persuade them that I preach some type of lawlessness.

Very disingenuous!!

Does not matter we both know salvation is secure... which you have yet to come to terms with, that is the point and your divide an conquer tactics are not going to work.
EleventhHour, we have had these dicussions over and over again. I know your doctrine. In fact your own mate E-G was appalled at your doctrine just a day or two ago. It is a licentious doctrine which allows sin without consequence. You have on this thread said future sins are covered (as if to say) you are free to continue in it. You have also quoted paraphrased : But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, --completely misunderstanding this scripture.

OK, so lets ask you again (because we can clarify all of this right here):
-You say you are a believer and are saved.
-If you were to go out tonight and start an ongoing affair with another woman's husband. If the Holy Spirit brings conviction about this, and you continually ignore this conviction and remain steadfast in your adultery for years (an example I have just made up) -- and you were to suddenly die, the question I have for you is this: Are you saved? (Y/N)
-Its a Y or N answer, not a dance around the topic. Y or N?


Then your position will be clear to all. You have the perfect opportunity.
 

EleventhHour

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It is a licentious doctrine which allows sin without consequence.
This is an absolute lie.

And @eternally-gratefull knows full well I do not have a licentious doctrine.

Boy you are really grasping at straws.

Show off you profound understanding of But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.

And you question is insulting... but I will answer once you give me your explanation of the above text.
 

Chris1975

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This is an absolute lie.

And @eternally-gratefull knows full well I do not have a licentious doctrine.

Boy you are really grasping at straws.

Show off you profound understanding of But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.

And you question is insulting... but I will answer once you give me your explanation of the above text.
Simple - it means that no matter how bad a person was, or the depths of depravity that they have come from, the Lords arm is not too short that He cant reach out and pull them up out of the miry clay. It refers to the state of a person before salvation. NOW jump two verses ahead to Romans 6v1.
 

Chris1975

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This is an absolute lie.

And @eternally-gratefull knows full well I do not have a licentious doctrine.

Boy you are really grasping at straws.

Show off you profound understanding of But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.

And you question is insulting... but I will answer once you give me your explanation of the above text.
Now, the Y or N answer.
 
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This is an absolute lie.

And @eternally-gratefull knows full well I do not have a licentious doctrine.

Boy you are really grasping at straws.

Show off you profound understanding of But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.

And you question is insulting... but I will answer once you give me your explanation of the above text.
Aw man, you had me come into one of his threads.

not worth it sis, I am out you should be also
 

oyster67

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Agree.. how they like to malign and undermine people is comical ... definitely indicates some type of insecurity... could be their doctrine?:rolleyes:
We love you dear, but we must also contend for the Faith. There are many viewing these threads who seek the true way. We cannot just stomp out in a fit of rage every time we don't think things are going in our direction. This is not a battleground.
 

EleventhHour

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We love you dear, but we must also contend for the Faith. There are many viewing these threads who seek the true way. We cannot just stomp out in a fit of rage every time we don't think things are going in our direction. This is not a battleground.
Well I think my response was measured considering how he twists everything I write.

But thank you for the reminder I do need it for sure.
You are a very kind person.
 

oyster67

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Well I think my response was measured considering how he twists everything I write.

But thank you for the reminder I do need it for sure.
You are a very kind person.
We will spend eternity together. It helps me when I remember that you are my sister.:)
 

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I find it interesting that you attack me yet I have not attacked you. You jumped into a conversation that was not addressed to you. I was in a discussion with EleventhHour. Someone who does not believe in repentance (unlike you apparently). She has so far admitted that there is nothing that a believer can do to lose salvation. And no need to repent. Basically carry on like the world. Now.... Having read all the translations and languages and multiple times...tell me....is EleventhHour correct in her doctrine?

This is the conversation you jumped into. The one you attacked me for. Tell me... Is your doctrine aligned to hers?

Let me set you straight on forum etiquette, before I continue. As a long time member, I know that it is an unwritten rule that a public forum is...public! You simply cannot write specifically to one person in a thread, regardless of whether or not you started it, and think everyone else is not allowed to post. I find it odd after 2 1/2 years in CC, you have not discerned that simple and ordinary procedure in the time you have been here. I've met newbies who believe if they start a thread, or address someone particularly that you can control a thread, or your word rules. If you want to have a private conversation, feel free to send PMs to the person. That's how private conversations are created and maintained. Or you can have a small group of people you chat with in a PM.

Further, Eleventh Hour is my friend. I read the thread from the start, ascertained that you had very faulty theology which you were flogging everyone with. Of course, I am going to defend Eleventh Hour. She has good solid doctrine, and a good knowledge of the Bible, and you were trashing her, saying she had never read the Bible. As for your demands she answer YOUR questions, you never answered mine. How many times have you read the Bible from cover to cover? You also broadly insulted a lot of people, and specifically insulted a lot of people (besides Eleventh Hour), who are also my friends. We do pms all the time. That way we can address certain issues that might be tedious in the main forums.

So, I will speak my mind, talk about theology and how to correctly use hermeneutics, which you ignored, because either you have not read the Bible enough, or because it doesn't support your false doctrines. You start a thread, pretending YOU are saving us with your words of wisdom, which turns out to be bad eisegesis and no knowledge of hermeneutics. And absolutely no understanding of the sovereignty and power of God.

As to Eleventh Hour's doctrine, I have not seen any evidence of antinomianism. The usual complaint of Arminians who probably are much closer to Open Theology,* an out and out heresy. I would agree that we are to repent confess our sins, and obey God. But, I know the Bible is clear about losing our salvation. We simply and absolutely cannot lose what God has done - taken us from darkness to light, from death to life.

"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved" Eph. 2:1-6

So, it seems you do not understand the above passage at all. I posted verses 4-10, but I see I need to start at the beginning of the chapter. What does this passage clearly say?
Before we are saved:
1. We are dead in our transgressions and sins,
2. We follow the world,
3. We follow the ruler of the kingdom of the air,
4. That spirit is at work in us,
5. That worldly spirit gratifies the cravings of the flesh, and its desires and thoughts.
Conclusion of this section:
6. Because of our sinful and worldly nature we were deserving of God's wrath.

I hope you can agree with me that an unrighteous sinner is worthy of God's wrath? Certainly, that is all of us, before Christ saves us!

Salvation:
1. God loves us (from before the foundation of the world)
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves." Eph. 1:1-6

2. Because God is rich in his mercy (mercy = we don't get what we deserve!)
3. God made us alive in Christ, even while we were DEAD in our transgressions. In other words, God saves us first, by making us alive, then we repent of our sins that God points out, usually through the Word of God.
4. We are totally saved by grace. Paul repeats that in verses 8-9 of chapter 2 of Ephesians.

So, we literally go from spiritual death to spiritual life, because of the grace of God. And God has known who we are in him, from before the foundation of the world. I certainly know I could NEVER have saved myself, I was trying hard. But, when God called me, he justified me, and then he told me to repent of my sin. I immediately stopped drinking, which was getting very bad and haven't had a drink in 40 years. I also had other sins to work on. Like impatience, and also my bad temper. I didn't even know that was a sin, until I had been saved for 2 years. Then I read it in the sin list in Gal. 5:19-20:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-20

I renounced all my new age idolatry and witchcraft immediately when I was saved, and my drunkenness, a side effect of playing music in bars and pubs for years. But, do you know how long I worked on my temper? 30 years! I really only got rid of it 10 years ago. That was after constant prayer, seeking God, and confessing my sin to both God and anyone who heard me.

But, I never at any point in my spiritual journey went from life to death. The way Arminians ignore this passage and many other places, like Col. 2:13

"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," Col. 2:13

Also, these famous verses from the Roman Road, also reflect that salvation is when God takes us from death to life in him.

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23.

So, how many times has God killed you since he first saved you? If you ever died, then I cannot believe you were ever made spiritually alive. God never says he will take us from spiritual life to death, not even your Hebrews 6 passage.

Salvation in Greek is soso. It means salvation or deliverance. We simply cannot be "un" saved, no matter how we fall. God does not kill his living children. He loves them, which is why they are his. There is no ordo salvos saying we:

Live, then make a mistake or sin and die. God rebrings us to life then we fail for a short time, or long time, we die, and then God brings us back to life. This is a very important image of salvation. God makes us alive, after we were dead. God does not send us back to death, because of anything we do. Although he certainly will grieve if we are not obedient.

God saves us once for all. Hebrew 10 says:

"The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." Hebrew 10:15-18


God will not remember our sinless acts. But for our own sake, we should confess our sins, and make them right. This myth of antinomianism by people who do not agree with Arminianist interpretations of salvation, is simply a rude insult. Eleventh Hour is not antinomian. I have never met a Baptist, who believes in eternal security, or a Reformed or Calvinist who says once we are saved, we can sin like the devil. For one thing, God took us away from that life, no one wants to go back to that hell. My joy is to obey God. He is the one who made me alive, and born from above. Why would I even consider going back to that filthy pit of iniquity?

So, as someone said earlier, the straw man you created is not based on the lives of real, alive, born from above, Christians. And if someone is sinning willfully, either they were never made alive by the power of
God, or they have not been taught properly!
 

Chris1975

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This is an absolute lie.

And @eternally-gratefull knows full well I do not have a licentious doctrine.

Boy you are really grasping at straws.

Show off you profound understanding of But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.

And you question is insulting... but I will answer once you give me your explanation of the above text.
@EleventhHour. So you avoided the question after I gave you the answer to yours. Not surprised.
 

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Let me set you straight on forum etiquette, before I continue. As a long time member, I know that it is an unwritten rule that a public forum is...public! You simply cannot write specifically to one person in a thread, regardless of whether or not you started it, and think everyone else is not allowed to post. I find it odd after 2 1/2 years in CC, you have not discerned that simple and ordinary procedure in the time you have been here. I've met newbies who believe if they start a thread, or address someone particularly that you can control a thread, or your word rules. If you want to have a private conversation, feel free to send PMs to the person. That's how private conversations are created and maintained. Or you can have a small group of people you chat with in a PM.

Further, Eleventh Hour is my friend. I read the thread from the start, ascertained that you had very faulty theology which you were flogging everyone with. Of course, I am going to defend Eleventh Hour. She has good solid doctrine, and a good knowledge of the Bible, and you were trashing her, saying she had never read the Bible. As for your demands she answer YOUR questions, you never answered mine. How many times have you read the Bible from cover to cover? You also broadly insulted a lot of people, and specifically insulted a lot of people (besides Eleventh Hour), who are also my friends. We do pms all the time. That way we can address certain issues that might be tedious in the main forums.

So, I will speak my mind, talk about theology and how to correctly use hermeneutics, which you ignored, because either you have not read the Bible enough, or because it doesn't support your false doctrines. You start a thread, pretending YOU are saving us with your words of wisdom, which turns out to be bad eisegesis and no knowledge of hermeneutics. And absolutely no understanding of the sovereignty and power of God.

As to Eleventh Hour's doctrine, I have not seen any evidence of antinomianism. The usual complaint of Arminians who probably are much closer to Open Theology,* an out and out heresy. I would agree that we are to repent confess our sins, and obey God. But, I know the Bible is clear about losing our salvation. We simply and absolutely cannot lose what God has done - taken us from darkness to light, from death to life.

"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved" Eph. 2:1-6

So, it seems you do not understand the above passage at all. I posted verses 4-10, but I see I need to start at the beginning of the chapter. What does this passage clearly say?
Before we are saved:
1. We are dead in our transgressions and sins,
2. We follow the world,
3. We follow the ruler of the kingdom of the air,
4. That spirit is at work in us,
5. That worldly spirit gratifies the cravings of the flesh, and its desires and thoughts.
Conclusion of this section:
6. Because of our sinful and worldly nature we were deserving of God's wrath.

I hope you can agree with me that an unrighteous sinner is worthy of God's wrath? Certainly, that is all of us, before Christ saves us!

Salvation:
1. God loves us (from before the foundation of the world)
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves." Eph. 1:1-6

2. Because God is rich in his mercy (mercy = we don't get what we deserve!)
3. God made us alive in Christ, even while we were DEAD in our transgressions. In other words, God saves us first, by making us alive, then we repent of our sins that God points out, usually through the Word of God.
4. We are totally saved by grace. Paul repeats that in verses 8-9 of chapter 2 of Ephesians.

So, we literally go from spiritual death to spiritual life, because of the grace of God. And God has known who we are in him, from before the foundation of the world. I certainly know I could NEVER have saved myself, I was trying hard. But, when God called me, he justified me, and then he told me to repent of my sin. I immediately stopped drinking, which was getting very bad and haven't had a drink in 40 years. I also had other sins to work on. Like impatience, and also my bad temper. I didn't even know that was a sin, until I had been saved for 2 years. Then I read it in the sin list in Gal. 5:19-20:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." Gal. 5:19-20

I renounced all my new age idolatry and witchcraft immediately when I was saved, and my drunkenness, a side effect of playing music in bars and pubs for years. But, do you know how long I worked on my temper? 30 years! I really only got rid of it 10 years ago. That was after constant prayer, seeking God, and confessing my sin to both God and anyone who heard me.

But, I never at any point in my spiritual journey went from life to death. The way Arminians ignore this passage and many other places, like Col. 2:13

"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions," Col. 2:13

Also, these famous verses from the Roman Road, also reflect that salvation is when God takes us from death to life in him.

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23.

So, how many times has God killed you since he first saved you? If you ever died, then I cannot believe you were ever made spiritually alive. God never says he will take us from spiritual life to death, not even your Hebrews 6 passage.

Salvation in Greek is soso. It means salvation or deliverance. We simply cannot be "un" saved, no matter how we fall. God does not kill his living children. He loves them, which is why they are his. There is no ordo salvos saying we:

Live, then make a mistake or sin and die. God rebrings us to life then we fail for a short time, or long time, we die, and then God brings us back to life. This is a very important image of salvation. God makes us alive, after we were dead. God does not send us back to death, because of anything we do. Although he certainly will grieve if we are not obedient.

God saves us once for all. Hebrew 10 says:

"The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary." Hebrew 10:15-18


God will not remember our sinless acts. But for our own sake, we should confess our sins, and make them right. This myth of antinomianism by people who do not agree with Arminianist interpretations of salvation, is simply a rude insult. Eleventh Hour is not antinomian. I have never met a Baptist, who believes in eternal security, or a Reformed or Calvinist who says once we are saved, we can sin like the devil. For one thing, God took us away from that life, no one wants to go back to that hell. My joy is to obey God. He is the one who made me alive, and born from above. Why would I even consider going back to that filthy pit of iniquity?

So, as someone said earlier, the straw man you created is not based on the lives of real, alive, born from above, Christians. And if someone is sinning willfully, either they were never made alive by the power of
God, or they have not been taught properly!

Amen and Amen!
 

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EleventhHour, we have had these dicussions over and over again. I know your doctrine. In fact your own mate E-G was appalled at your doctrine just a day or two ago. It is a licentious doctrine which allows sin without consequence. You have on this thread said future sins are covered (as if to say) you are free to continue in it. You have also quoted paraphrased : But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, --completely misunderstanding this scripture.

OK, so lets ask you again (because we can clarify all of this right here):
-You say you are a believer and are saved.
-If you were to go out tonight and start an ongoing affair with another woman's husband. If the Holy Spirit brings conviction about this, and you continually ignore this conviction and remain steadfast in your adultery for years (an example I have just made up) -- and you were to suddenly die, the question I have for you is this: Are you saved? (Y/N)
-Its a Y or N answer, not a dance around the topic. Y or N?


Then your position will be clear to all. You have the perfect opportunity.
We are not saved by what we do . He who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases is our confidence. "If" he has begun the first work by giving us ears to hear he promises he will finish it. Some crucify Christ every time they deny him . Better things accompany salvation to those that are given ears to hear and a new heart to believe. God will not forget the good works we do offer towards his name.

Who is you confidence?

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:philipian1:6

It would seem you are one of the resisters of what they call "hyper grace" .As if it was not hyper to begin with .

Two kinds of fear. One that builds confidence the other a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Better things accompany salvation called redemption . And he shall redeem the believer from all his iniquities. Even the secret ones .Mercy triumph over judgment

Psalm 130 King James Version (KJV)Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O Lord. Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications. If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.I wait for the Lord, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope. My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning.Let Israel hope in the Lord: for with the Lord there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
 
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You have a God who is weak, and cannot even keep his own people?
You believe free will, including the will to sin and walk away, is more important than the sovereignty of God?
I feel sorry you are so trapped in a wrong interpretation of this.
I might try and comment later on your Hebrews passage, but this is too long already.
Thank you Angela.
What does church history teach you?
We are left by the Lord to choose what to do with His seed.
Listen to the apostle Peter. "I will lay down my life for you" John 13:37
"you will disown me three times" John 13:38
"But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers" Luke 22:32
"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray." John 16:1

God believes in the power of His word, His testimony, His love in our hearts bearing fruit for the Kingdom.

Gods way is to trust in the power of who He is and what He is doing in our lives.

You seem not to believe this, though you know the power Gods word has had in your own life and walk.
And you know it has been your choices driven by His Spirit that have been the crucial point.

I am not trapped in anything, I see the power of God and what we sow to, walking the straight way with the power of God to empower us and His blessing. With the Holy Spirit we have the power to overcome and bless, to rise up and put right the ravages of sin and death and proclaim His Kingdom and His reign in love and peace.

You call our God weak to trust His heart and nature, knowing His Kingdom will reign and walk into eternity. It is you who have fallen into unbelief in His work in your life and what can be achieved if you are willing to just believe and walk in His ways.
God bless you
 

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Someone who does not believe in repentance (unlike you apparently). She has so far admitted that there is nothing that a believer can do to lose salvation. And no need to repent. Basically carry on like the world.

Are you really dishonest? Or have you made a mistake?

Can you quote where she said those words?


3341. metanoia
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance​
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance.


We are drawn to the truth of Christ and God reveals to the truth to us. We have faith in this truth (belief trust confidence loyalty/fidelity as an indwelling response to recieved information....) our mind has changed and God works in us to change our "inner man".


To go from unbelief to belief is repentance in of itself.

@EleventhHour Would you agree that repentance does indeed come with salvation and this person seems to not use the word correctly.​
 

EleventhHour

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Are you really dishonest? Or have you made a mistake?

Can you quote where she said those words?


3341. metanoia
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance​
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Definition: change of mind, repentance
Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance.


We are drawn to the truth of Christ and God reveals to the truth to us. We have faith in this truth (belief trust confidence loyalty/fidelity as an indwelling response to recieved information....) our mind has changed and God works in us to change our "inner man".


To go from unbelief to belief is repentance in of itself.

@EleventhHour Would you agree that repentance does indeed come with salvation and this person seems to not use the word correctly.​
Absolutely agree with what you stated above.

A change of mind is an essential and by necessity accompanies salvation.