The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

[Grace777x70]

We love the "Awake to righteousness"...but how does this come?..

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.

Doing righteous deeds because Christ has made us righteous is what 1 John chapter 3 is talking about. This shows the difference between the devil and those that belong to Christ. John was describing a believer and an unbeliever.

I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".

Here is how righteousness comes to a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now! This "righteousness " will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.

The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells..

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I suggest you study the book of Romans if you still feel you are not free from sin.

I was speaking to you.

 

[p_rehbein]

F.Y.I. ONLY

Author: 1, 2, and 3 John have from earliest times been attributed to the apostle John, who also wrote the Gospel of John. The content, style, and vocabulary seem to warrant the conclusion that these three epistles were addressed to the same readers as the Gospel of John.

Date of Writing: The Book of 1 John was likely written between A.D. 85-95.

Purpose of Writing: The Book of 1 John seems to be a summary that assumes the readers' knowledge of the gospel as written by John and offers certainty for their faith in Christ. The first epistle indicates that the readers were confronted with the error of gnosticism, which became a more serious problem in the second century. As a philosophy of religion it held that matter is evil and spirit is good. The solution to the tension between these two was knowledge, or gnosis, through which man rose from the mundane to the spiritual. In the gospel message, this led to two false theories concerning the person of Christ, Docetism—regarding the human Jesus as a ghost—and Cerinthianism—making Jesus a dual personality, at times human and at times divine. The key purpose of 1 John is to set boundaries on the content of faith and to give believers assurance of their salvation.

Brief Summary: False spiritual teachers were a big problem in the early church. Because there was not a complete New Testament that believers could refer to, many churches fell prey to pretenders who taught their own ideas and advanced themselves as leaders. John wrote this letter to set the record straight on some important issues, particularly concerning the identity of Jesus Christ.


found here

Book of 1 John - Bible Survey - GotQuestions.org

 

[Grace777x70]

here is a great teaching on 1 John 1:9..


[video=youtube;Xf0B2zowsFM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf0B2zowsFM[/video]

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. He has shed His blood ONCE and FOR ALL. His one sacrifice alone is what provides for your forgiveness. To say otherwise is to reject the efficacy of the Cross and to make yourself and what you do the basis for your forgiveness in the place of Jesus and what He has done.

He died once, but he ever lives to intercede at the throne of GOD for his people. Forgiveness is found at the throne of GOD in the here-and-now, not at the cross 1900 years ago.

 

[crossnote]

And how do you reconcile your understanding of 1 John 1:9 with the overwhelming testimony of scripture affirming that those who are in Christ ARE forgiven, that we HAVE forgiveness in Christ??

- Acts 10:43 - "everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins"
- Eph. 1:7 - "in Him we have...the forgiveness of our trespasses"
- Eph. 4:32 - "God in Christ has forgiven you"
- Col. 1:14 - "we have...the forgiveness of sins"
- Col. 2:13 - "having forgiven all our transgressions
- I John 2:12 - "your sins are forgiven"

Being forgiven doesn't preclude being convicted by the Holy Spirit. He picks us up (forgiven)...then He cleans us up (through conviction of ongoing sin).

 

[crossnote]

Well, make up your mind.

If you can't differentiate between the two...there lies your problem.

 

[FreeNChrist]

He died once, but he ever lives to intercede at the throne of GOD for his people. Forgiveness is found at the throne of GOD in the here-and-now, not at the cross 1900 years ago.

Forgiveness in "found" in Christ Jesus, as these passages that you conveniently ignore clearly tell us.


- Acts 10:43 - "everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins"
- Eph. 1:7 - "in Him we have...the forgiveness of our trespasses"
- Eph. 4:32 - "God in Christ has forgiven you"
- Col. 1:14 - "we have...the forgiveness of sins"
- Col. 2:13 - "having forgiven all our transgressions
- I John 2:12 - "your sins are forgiven"

 

[Grace777x70]

Excellent....this is showing that 1 John 1 is talking about these areas and John is trying to get these gnostics into believing the truth..and come into fellowship with the believers and to be in the Light or walk in the light......start living your life in Him now and not on your own ...without Him and being in darkness...

F.Y.I. ONLY

Purpose of Writing: The Book of 1 John seems to be a summary that assumes the readers' knowledge of the gospel as written by John and offers certainty for their faith in Christ. The first epistle indicates that the readers were confronted with the error of gnosticism, which became a more serious problem in the second century. As a philosophy of religion it held that matter is evil and spirit is good. The solution to the tension between these two was knowledge, or gnosis, through which man rose from the mundane to the spiritual. In the gospel message, this led to two false theories concerning the person of Christ, Docetism—regarding the human Jesus as a ghost—and Cerinthianism—making Jesus a dual personality, at times human and at times divine. The key purpose of 1 John is to set boundaries on the content of faith and to give believers assurance of their salvation.

Brief Summary: False spiritual teachers were a big problem in the early church. Because there was not a complete New Testament that believers could refer to, many churches fell prey to pretenders who taught their own ideas and advanced themselves as leaders. John wrote this letter to set the record straight on some important issues, particularly concerning the identity of Jesus Christ.


Book of 1 John - Bible Survey - GotQuestions.org

 

[FreeNChrist]

Being forgiven doesn't preclude being convicted by the Holy Spirit. He picks us up (forgiven)...then He cleans us up (through conviction of ongoing sin).

I understand that is your belief.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If you can't differentiate between the two...there lies your problem.

The two what?

 

[crossnote]

ALL of your sins were in the future when Jesus shed His blood on the cross, and He isn't coming back to shed His blood on a cross again.

They are forgiven but it doesn't mean God doesn't bring us under conviction for committed sins.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Excellent....this is showing that 1 John 1 is talking about these areas and John is trying to get these gnostics into believing the truth..and come into fellowship with the believers and to be in the Light or walk in the light......start living your life in Him now and not on your own ...without Him and being in darkness...

John was teaching his spiritual children to not give heed to the lying doctrines of the gnostics, who had already left the church.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But [they went out], in order that it might be shown that all of them are not of us. 1 John 2:19​

 

[FreeNChrist]

They are forgiven but it doesn't mean God doesn't bring us under conviction for committed sins.

I understand that is your belief.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Forgiveness in "found" in Christ Jesus, as these passages that you conveniently ignore clearly tell us.


- Acts 10:43 - "everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins"
- Eph. 1:7 - "in Him we have...the forgiveness of our trespasses"
- Eph. 4:32 - "God in Christ has forgiven you"
- Col. 1:14 - "we have...the forgiveness of sins"
- Col. 2:13 - "having forgiven all our transgressions
- I John 2:12 - "your sins are forgiven"

Jesus is in heaven now, not on a cross then.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Jesus is in heaven now, not on a cross then.

IOW, you can't reconcile those passages with what you want 1 John 1:9 to mean. Got it.

 

[Grace777x70]

And that leads us to...Myth 2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against Confession

“Hyper-grace preachers say it’s wrong to confess sins. They say confession is a form of unbelief.” Actually, every hyper-grace preacher believes in the power of confession. We say things like, “confession is good for you,” and “confession is healthy.”
But what is confession?

Like the word repentance, confession is a word that has been mangled in the machinery of manmade religion. Instead of bringing healing to the hurting and life to the dead, confession is seen as the cost of admission into the house of grace. “You wanna be clean? Then ‘fess up you miserable sinner! Tell God your dirty little secrets.”

But that’s not what confession is.

To confess literally means to agree with or say the same thing as another. Biblical confession is agreeing with God. It’s verbalizing faith in His goodness and acknowledging your dependence upon Him (Rom. 10:9–10). It’s saying, “God, I believe You are faithful and true and will do all that You promised.”

But some people have a different definition of confession. They think confession is something you must do to make yourself clean, righteous, and forgiven. “I have to review all my sins to receive forgiveness.” This is a dead work. Confessing-to-be-forgiven is like washing with dirty water. No matter how hard you scrub you won’t make yourself clean.

Faithless confession puts the focus on you and what you have done, but faith-based confession puts the focus on Christ and what He has done on your behalf.

Does that mean we should never confess or that it’s wrong to confess our sins? Not at all. Biblical confession is good for you. It will help you to walk in the grace that God has provided…

One of the clearest descriptions of confession comes from Max Lucado:

Confession is not complaining. If I merely recite my problems and rehash my woes, I’m whining … Confession is so much more. Confession is a radical reliance on grace. A proclamation of our trust in God’s goodness.


“What I did was bad,” we acknowledge, “but your grace is greater than my sin, so I confess it.” If our understanding of grace is small, our confession will be small: reluctant, hesitant, hedged with excuses and qualifications, full of fear of punishment. But great grace creates an honest confession. (Grace, p.83)

We don’t repent and confess to get God to forgive us. We repent and confess because God has forgiven us. Your repentance and confession won’t change God, but it will surely change you. It will help you receive God’s life-changing grace. As Clark Whitten says, “Confession is for my healing, not for God’s forgiveness.”

Those who don’t understand this may point to 1 John 1:9 which seems to say God’s forgiveness is contingent upon our confession of sins. This scripture is so widely misunderstood that it gets mentioned in just about every book on grace. T

o paraphrase Andrew Farley, John cannot be saying God forgives us on account of our confession because just a few verses later he says we are already forgiven on account of Jesus’ name.

When you sin it takes no faith to beat yourself up and agree with the Accuser who calls you a sinner. It takes faith to look at the cross and say, “Thank you, Jesus, for carrying all my sin.”

It takes faith to praise your Father for His superabounding grace that is greater than your transgression. And it takes faith to agree with the Holy Spirit who says, despite what you did, you are still righteous, acceptable, and pleasing to God

 

[crossnote]

I suggest you study the book of Romans if you still feel you are not free from sin.

We're free from sin and are to live in that freedom but that doesn't mean we can't get entangled or ensnared in it again...

Romans 6:12-13 KJVS
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

 

[FreeNChrist]

We're free from sin and are to live in that freedom but that doesn't mean we can't get entangled or ensnared in it again...

Romans 6:12-13 KJVS
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Never said otherwise.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a short 10 minute video from Joseph Prince..he believes in confessing sins..like we all do..

[video=youtube;RpUrua961Nk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUrua961Nk[/video]