The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

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Here is a short 10 minute video from Joseph Prince..he believes in confessing sins..like we all do..

[video=youtube;RpUrua961Nk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUrua961Nk[/video]
Why do I keep having to watch his $5,000 dollar coat and hairdo,it causes this poor man to stumble lol.
 
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Wow..you know him so personally that you know how much his clothes are.. and you don't like his haircut.. how petty ...thank God he isn't a woman...imagine the fun one could have slandering him then...shamefull!!!...


Why do I keep having to watch his $5,000 dollar coat and hairdo,it causes this poor man to stumble lol.
 

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Let's get practical about 1Jn 1:9.

When I drove taxis before being born again, i pocketed a $100 money order a drunk customer left in the back seat with no guilty conscience except the fear of getting caught.
Today, I cant even pocket $5 from extra change from a store clerk without my conscience feeling the weight of the wrong.

Now is that the Holy Spirit or satan convicting my new man?
 
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That's the righteousness in Christ that is in you ....trying to cause you to Awake to who you are...

Let's get practical about 1Jn 1:9.

When I drove taxis before being born again, i pocketed a $100 money order a drunk customer left in the back seat with no guilty conscience except the fear of getting caught.
Today, I cant even pocket $5 from extra change from a store clerk without my conscience feeling the weight of the wrong.

Now is that the Holy Spirit or satan convicting my new man?
 

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It's schizophrenic thinking.
So you don't see that God picks us up (sanctifies us unto Himself) and then starts cleaning us (daily sanctifies us) to His image?

2 Corinthians 3:18 KJVS
[18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
 
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Why do I keep having to watch his $5,000 dollar coat and hairdo,it causes this poor man to stumble lol.
And that is a sign of one who lives to the flesh. A important sign that many people miss is that the Lords 2 witnesses do not come wearing fancy clothing, but rather sackcloth. The prophets, John the Baptist, Jesus, the apostles all walked in the lowliness and humility of the Spirit.

But these clearly walk after the lusts of the flesh, heaping treasures up on earth.
 

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Wow..you know him so personally that you know how much his clothes are.. and you don't like his haircut.. how petty ...thank God he isn't a woman...imagine the fun one could have slandering him then...shamefull!!!...
Ooops, did I touch the Lords annointed? I'm just saying that type of lavish living makes me question the motive and veracity of one's teaching regardless of who they are.
 
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This is the work of the flesh...

Ephesians 4:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

The Holy Spirit will cause you to Awake to righteousness in these areas!
 

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Ooops, did I touch the Lords annointed? I'm just saying that type of lavish living makes me question the motive and veracity of one's teaching regardless of who they are.

R-U-saying U don'ts believe in the Prosperity Gospel? :)

"Sends me a million buck, or God's gonna get me........plueeze sends me da bucks"
 
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No my friend..the scriptures call that slander and malice....ill-will toward someone...you know better then that...be who you are in Christ!

Solomon and Abraham and David must make you want to question them too...blessing given to them by the Lord...

Ooops, did I touch the Lords annointed? I'm just saying that type of lavish living makes me question the motive and veracity of one's teaching regardless of who they are.
 
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This is the work of the flesh...

Ephesians 4:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander beput away from you, along with all malice.

The Holy Spirit will cause you to Awake to righteousness in these areas!
Also the work of the flesh...

2 Peter 2:3 KJVS
[3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 

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No my friend..the scriptures call that slander and malice....ill-will toward someone...you know better then that...be who you are in Christ!

Solomon and Abraham and David must make you want to question them too...blessing given to them by the Lord...
Oh, but like you always say, 'that was before the cross'. Can you give some post Cross examples?
 
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So if having money makes people covetous then we will not be seeing Abraham..nor David, nor Solomon nor the many other people....

And you have made the decision to say "That this man who preaches about Jesus Christ is "coveting"...no my friend that is malice and slander at it's finest. Who are you to judge this man?...
Romans 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

God is not oppossed to blessing His children ..He is opposed to His children trusting in them..He is not opposes to His children having "things".. He is opposed to the "things" having His children ..

You are really going to have lot's of people to be upset with in heaven.. there is abundance everywhere there!


Also the work of the flesh...

2 Peter 2:3 KJVS
[3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 

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So if having money makes people covetous then we will not be seeing Abraham..nor David, nor Solomon nor the many other people....

And you have made the decision to say "That this man who preaches about Jesus Christ is "coveting"...no my friend that is malice and slander at it's finest. Who are you to judge this man?...
Romans 14:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

God is not oppossed to blessing His children ..He is opposed to His children trusting in them..He is not opposes to His children having "things".. He is opposed to the "things" having His children ..

You are really going to have lot's of people to be upset with in heaven.. there is abundance everywhere there!
Oh, but like you always say, 'that was before the cross'. Can you give some post Cross examples?
Like I said. Paul set an example of one who I would look up to...

2 Corinthians 11:23-28 KJVS
[23] Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. [24] Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. [25] Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; [26] In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; [27] In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. [28] Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
 
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Ooops, did I touch the Lords annointed? I'm just saying that type of lavish living makes me question the motive and veracity of one's teaching regardless of who they are.
Grace777 considers any criticism of his teachings as slander and malice. The same weapon that cult leaders use consistently to try to induce fear so as to stifle criticism. Boring...
 
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It seems to me that there are two types of confession. 1) what we call repentance - John spoke of repentance for the remission of sins which is get when we CONFESS Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead. I once was a sinner but now a child of God - I have been forgiven for those sins I committed before I confessed Jesus as Lord. (in the past Rom. 3:25)

2) Now I am walking in the light - la de da . . . I sin - I am still a child of God but darkness has "stained" my light - darkness and light do not go together - what "fellowship has light with darkness" - there's the same word here in 2 Cor. 6 as used in 1 John 1. I am to have NO darkness - If I have darkness I do not have "fellowship" with the Father and the Son although I am a born again child of God - In order to clean that slate I have to humbly come to the Father and ask forgiveness and then I am forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness and I am back "in the light" - la de da - until next time!

John is writing these things so that we may not sin BUT IF anyone does sin . . . . so there is sin that has to be dealt with AFTER one becomes born again. WHO is God telling to "confess their sins"?
 

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Grace777 considers any criticism of his teachings as slander and malice. The same weapon that cult leaders use consistently to try to induce fear so as to stifle criticism. Boring...
And certain ones follow lock step. It's sad.
 
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This is what believers in the grace of our Lord Jesus have to say about "sanctification"..the word itself means = "to be set apart"

We are perfectly sanctified in Christ now....very true....we as an identity the new creation in Christ will never be more holy....however there is a "sanctifying" of our behavior that is on-going that reflects our true nature in Christ...so in essence...we are becoming outwardly who we really are in our inner man which is in Christ.

God sets apart ( sanctifies )our attitudes and actions outwardly but you are 100% set apart ( sanctified ) as a person..the real you in your inner man..the new creation in Christ.

Hebrews 10:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. ( this is present passive..passive is that something is being done to you ...the Spirit of the Lord in us changing us. )

Here is what Jesus told Paul on the road to Damascus....having been sanctified ( perfect passive )..= done deal

Acts 26:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' ( perfect passive )



Sanctification to our "religious minds" could mean a lot of different things to different people as it depends on the religious beliefs formulated from our backgrounds....like no doing the "biggie sins"...no smoking..no drinking..no going to church..no reading your bible every day..no praying for an hour each day.....no going to a movie...reading a newspaper...no being a servant of God...the religious with the D.I.Y self-righteousness/holiness mindset say...no doing "what I don't do.."....