The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[Phoneman-777]

That's quite a bit of circumlocution there my friend. But back to the topic at hand, How do you exegete Ezekiel 20:33-44? We are waiting....

I'm more interested in hearing how anyone could possibly expect their boss to accept as a reason for returning at 2:00 PM instead of 1:00 PM from their 12:00 noon lunch hour as...

"Sorry boss, didn't you get the memo? There was a one hour GAP between 12:59 and 1:00."

I'm sure Jesuit Futurists do it all the time, right?

 

[Dino246]

OSAS and "gap theory" eschatology are textbook examples.

Really? I'm sure then that you can find a textbook on logic that lists either OSAS or "gap theory" as examples of fallacies.

You're blowing smoke. Now, are you ready to get back to the thread topic, or would you like to derail this thread further?

 

[Dino246]

I'm more interested in hearing how anyone could possibly expect their boss to accept as a reason for returning at 2:00 PM instead of 1:00 PM from their 12:00 noon lunch hour as...

"Sorry boss, didn't you get the memo? There was a one hour GAP between 12:59 and 1:00."

Right, so do you reject the supposed 2,000-year gap between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I'm sure Jesuit Futurists do it all the time, right?

You have made Jesuits the scapegoats when no one is following those Jesuits. Should that be classified as strawmen or red herrings?

 

[Absolutely]

You have made Jesuits the scapegoats when no one is following those Jesuits. Should that be classified as strawmen or red herrings?

The ones hollering jesuits and darby actually incorporate them into their theology.

Ironic they invented those dynamics for their own use.

Oh the irony!!!!

Comical actually

 

[Phoneman-777]

You have made Jesuits the scapegoats when no one is following those Jesuits. Should that be classified as strawmen or red herrings?

Anyone following the whole idea of taking the 70th Week and sending it down to the end of time as the "last 7 years of tribulation" is following a doctrine that was completely unknown to the world before Jesuit Ribera introduced it as part of the Counter-Reformation. Don't shoot the messenger, bro

 

[cv5]

Anyone following the whole idea of taking the 70th Week and sending it down to the end of time as the "last 7 years of tribulation" is following a doctrine that was completely unknown to the world before Jesuit Ribera introduced it as part of the Counter-Reformation. Don't shoot the messenger, bro

Dude.......just drop it. Let's switch gears back to the topic at hand. We earnestly seek your exegetical expertise pertaining to Ezekiel 20:33-44. If you don't mind.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The ones hollering jesuits and darby actually incorporate them into their theology.

Ironic they invented those dynamics for their own use.

Oh the irony!!!!

Comical actually

Totally agree! It's like when Evolutionists flatly deny Lamarckism as "unscientific", but run back to it when it's convenient to do so.

They totally disagree with the "unscientific" idea of Larmarck where he said Giraffes developed longer necks because they wanted to reach the higher branches, but claim Australopithecus learned to walk upright because he wanted to see over the tall grass that covered the landscapes LOL.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Dude.......just drop it. Let's switch gears back to the topic at hand. We earnestly seek your exegetical expertise pertaining to Ezekiel 20:33-44. If you don't mind.

I wasn't involved in any discussion with that passage in Ezekiel, so why you keep insisting I switch back to a gear I never shifted to in the first place?

Jesuit Futurism's foundational doctrine is the "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week which allows the 70th Week to be sent down to the end of time as the "last 7 years tribulation", so why can't we talk about that?

I prefer to bring down Monuments to Error down by attacking directly at their foundations

 

[Dino246]

Totally agree! It's like when Evolutionists flatly deny Lamarckism as "unscientific", but run back to it when it's convenient to do so.

They totally disagree with the "unscientific" idea of Larmarck where he said Giraffes developed longer necks because they wanted to reach the higher branches, but claim Australopithecus learned to walk upright because he wanted to see over the tall grass that covered the landscapes LOL.

That explains clearly why meerkats still run on all fours. Laughable!

 

[Absolutely]

Dude.......just drop it. Let's switch gears back to the topic at hand. We earnestly seek your exegetical expertise pertaining to Ezekiel 20:33-44. If you don't mind.

He has been told that.

He litterally needs " jesuit" to make his case.

It is intricate in his position.

 

[cv5]

He has been told that.

He litterally needs " jesuit" to make his case.

It is intricate in his position.

You can't shoehorn the Jesuits into Ezekiel 20:33-44 that's for sure lol.

"Darby and the Jesuits" .....sounds like like a '50's rock 'n' roll band. Bwa ha ha ha ha...

 

[cv5]

I wasn't involved in any discussion with that passage in Ezekiel, so why you keep insisting I switch back to a gear I never shifted to in the first place?

Jesuit Futurism's foundational doctrine is the "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week which allows the 70th Week to be sent down to the end of time as the "last 7 years tribulation", so why can't we talk about that?

I prefer to bring down Monuments to Error down by attacking directly at their foundations

Acts 3:21
"Whom heaven must receive until the times of restorations of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began"

Hosea 5:15
"I will return again to My place till they acknowledge their offense..."

Hos 6:2
"After two days He will revive us
On the third day He will raise us up..."

Every serious Bible student can locate, define and identify "the gap".

Tons more where that came from. Time for you to get with Gods program my friend. And time for you to abandon these overwrought unscriptural pretensions you so jealously coddle.

 

[cv5]

I wasn't involved in any discussion with that passage in Ezekiel, so why you keep insisting I switch back to a gear I never shifted to in the first place?

Jesuit Futurism's foundational doctrine is the "gap" between the 69th and 70th Week which allows the 70th Week to be sent down to the end of time as the "last 7 years tribulation", so why can't we talk about that?

I prefer to bring down Monuments to Error down by attacking directly at their foundations

Let's not forget the Luke 19:11 parable of the Kingdom....and ALL of the simiar and parallel parables.

There is enormous volume of Scriptures indicating a gap. It's just simply overwhelming.

 

[Phoneman-777]

He has been told that.

He litterally needs " jesuit" to make his case.

It is intricate in his position.

The ideas of JESUIT FUTURISM which are:

• an singular person identified "Antichrist" will arise at the end of time, contrary to the Early Church Fathers who said immediately at the fall of the Roman Empire, the Restrainer would be removed allowing the Antichrist to immediately arise
• that he would arise during the "last 7 years of tribulation"
• the 70th Week of Daniel 9 is sliced off and sent down to the end of time as the "last 7 years of tribulation"
• a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem in which the Antichrist will sit
• a 7 "peace treaty" brokered by the Antichrist between the Arabs and Jews
• a dissolution of that treaty by the Antichrist 3 1/2 years into it, ushering in Armageddon
• the Second Coming end of the "last 7 years of tribulation

...cannot be found anywhere until the 16th century when Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera invented it for the Roman Catholic Papacy as part of their "Counter-Reformation" response to the truths preached as "Protestant Historicism" by the great Protestant Reformer of the Protestant Reformation.

If Christians don't like the phrase "Jesuit Futurism" they should stop whining like children, open up the history books, and find just one single historic document that contains this nonsensical Biblical interpretation.

"The ECFs were Historicist"
by the greatest European prophecy teacher of all time,
H. Grattan Guinness:​

https://nicklasarthur.wordpress.com...-fathers-were-historicist-h-grattan-guinness/

 

[cv5]

The ideas of JESUIT FUTURISM which are:

• an singular person identified "Antichrist" will arise at the end of time, contrary to the Early Church Fathers who said immediately at the fall of the Roman Empire, the Restrainer would be removed allowing the Antichrist to immediately arise
• that he would arise during the "last 7 years of tribulation"
• the 70th Week of Daniel 9 is sliced off and sent down to the end of time as the "last 7 years of tribulation"
• a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem in which the Antichrist will sit
• a 7 "peace treaty" brokered by the Antichrist between the Arabs and Jews
• a dissolution of that treaty by the Antichrist 3 1/2 years into it, ushering in Armageddon
• the Second Coming end of the "last 7 years of tribulation

...cannot be found anywhere until the 16th century when Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera invented it for the Roman Catholic Papacy as part of their "Counter-Reformation" response to the truths preached as "Protestant Historicism" by the great Protestant Reformer of the Protestant Reformation.

If Christians don't like the phrase "Jesuit Futurism" they should stop whining like children, open up the history books, and find just one single historic document that contains this nonsensical Biblical interpretation.

"The ECFs were Historicist"
by the greatest European prophecy teacher of all time,
H. Grattan Guinness:​

https://nicklasarthur.wordpress.com...-fathers-were-historicist-h-grattan-guinness/

Phoneman......Any Scriptures to offer?????

 

[Phoneman-777]

Acts 3:21
"Whom heaven must receive until the times of restorations of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began"

Hosea 5:15
"I will return again to My place till they acknowledge their offense..."

Hos 6:2
"After two days He will revive us
On the third day He will raise us up..."

Every serious Bible student can locate, define and identify "the gap".

Tons more where that came from. Time for you to get with Gods program my friend. And time for you to abandon these overwrought unscriptural pretensions you so jealously coddle.

Serious bible students? Really? A serious Bible student would be able to point to at least one instance where God ever inserted a "gap" into a Numerically Specific Time Prophecy - there certainly is no gap in any of these:

• Noah preached for the predicted, numerically specified 120 years, no more.
• Sarah bore Isaac after the predicted, numerically specified 1 year, no more.
• Israel was enslaved in Egypt for the predicted, numerically specified 400 years, no more.
• Israel wandered the desert for the predicted, numerically specified 40 years, no more.
• Joshua took Jericho after marching around it for the predicted, numerically specific 7 days, no more.
• The famine during Ahab's reign lasted the predicted, numerically specified 3 1/2 years, no more.
• The Syrian siege of Samaria was over after the predicted, numerically specified 1 day, no more.
• The Shunammite woman bore a child after the predicted, numerically specified 1 year, no more.
• Israel was freed from Babylon after the predicted, numerically specified 70 years, no more.
• Nebuchadnezzar regained his sanity after the predicted, numerically specified 7 years, no more.
• Jesus' cast out demons and did cures on His way to being "completed" at the Cross the predicted, numerically specified 3 days (years), no more.

Those three verses you pointed to make no mention of any "gap". You and the others in the "Serious Bible Student" lecture hall are basing a massive deviation from God's established method of reckoning prophecy (shown above ^^^) on nothing more than silly subjective nonsense. The 490 years met their fulfillment in 34 A.D., 490 years after they began in 457 B.C. -- right on time.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Let's not forget the Luke 19:11 parable of the Kingdom....and ALL of the simiar and parallel parables.

There is enormous volume of Scriptures indicating a gap. It's just simply overwhelming.

Amazing that something so "enormous" is not plainly stated in Scripture, nor it is it found anywhere in church history until the 16th century RCC Papal Jesuit Counter Reformation when it was invented by Jesuit Francisco Ribera in response to the massive damaged inflicted upon the RCC by the preaching of Protestant Historicism during the Protestant Reformation.

You expect us over in the "Happy-Go-Lucky Bible Student" lecture hall to believe that an organization that for over 1500 years has yet to gain a proper position on the most elementary of all Bible topics -- salvation alone by grace through faith -- should be looked to for instruction on how to interpret such deep Biblical concepts as eschatology.

(BTW, they still to this day criticize Luther and anyone else for inserting the word "alone" when discussing Ephesians 2:8 KJV).

 

[Phoneman-777]

Phoneman......Any Scriptures to offer?????

Any Scriptures to offer concerning WHAT???

The only thing I can offer you from Scripture is evidence that the 70 Weeks were fulfilled right on time, in accordance with Protestant Historicism.

 

[Jimbone]

I think you need to check your math. Seriously check your math....what you are postulating is complete rubbish. And then after you do that, scrap everything you know about eschatology and start over. That's probably the best way to correct your errors.

He can say the exact same thing to you, it's pointless, dismissive, a bit egotistical, and does absolutely nothing to build up the body of Christ. We can never come together to glorify our King on this earth when we speak to each other with such disrespect? Why does it bother you so bad that someone believes differently than you? Why does it bother us so bad? Please be clear I am absolutely talking to myself first and foremost, that's why I haven't been posting much here lately.

I attend church that teaches and believes just like you, and I agree more with Plain on this subject, but guess what? I believe with all my heart mind and soul I am exactly where God put me, and I LOVE every single one of His children and pray I treat them exactly as He calls me to. I fail way too often, and hate myself for it. God has me in a place now where I see what a poor job I've done as a parent, and how chaotic my house is. This is a hard lesson, but one that is making me and my family stronger. Right now I feel I'm not fit to teach anyone anything unless God puts them in front of me, and I haven't been. It hurts. Between covid and this family realization I haven't been putting in work for the kingdom in a while, and now understand Paul when he writes Romans 7. I do the very things I hate, (games, TV, work, rinse wash and repeat), and don't do the things I want (study His word, testify of His glory, go to gatherings, heck even going every Sunday at this point would be a huge improvement), oh wretched man that I am.

I KNOW I get caught up in this back and forth stuff too, and honestly in the grand scheme of things there is nothing more important, period. This is how I see it now, when my ultimate goal is to save as many souls as He made me to save, by His power, for His glory, and then go to you and you're ultimate goal is to save as many souls as possible before it's too late, by His power, for His glory, I think we can maybe find some common ground to do something together to glorify Him. I also want you to understand "doing stuff together" is not my point here, I believe with all my heart that if we were face to face and given a problem to solve in real life for His glory, we would ban together and get it done, never even thinking of these things. Right? My point here is just trying to adjust the way we speak to each other here on CC, even when we disagree. I also am not anything, I'm not "swooping in to change CC" or anything like that, I can't say enough that getting overheated and typing quick snapbacks that I wish I would have thought about a little longer and I end up being part of the problem. I just really wish that even when we disagree we respect each other the way we are called to, the way Jesus demonstrated while He walked His creation.

I don't know what that looks like, but I do know we get there through Him, the only way. I just don't think the kinds of conversations we have here are productive or glorifying to our King at all. That's just my prayer. Have a great day.