The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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Look, don't take my word for it...take the verse to any English, Literary, or honest Bible scholar and ask them if the verse can legitimately be interpreted to mean "those who do and teach lawlessness down here will be called the least by those in the kingdom of heaven up there" based on the sentence structure alone, whether they agree with that premise or not, OK?
You will not consult with the experts regarding my interpretation.
You will not follow Isaiah's rules for hermeneutics.
You will not accept the Word of God where it says such lawless individuals will not enter the kingdom.
You will stick you head in the sand like all good OSAS folks and ignore the crushing evidence against OSAS so you can hold tightly to that License to Sin, but the more you all do, the more slippery it becomes.
I assure they will tell you you it can be.
The verse can mean both what you say or what I say, so it's up to us to follow the rules of Biblical hermeneutics (Isaiah 28:10-16 KJV) and appeal to other verses to determine which is the case. But, you won't.
You will not consult with the experts regarding my interpretation.
You will not follow Isaiah's rules for hermeneutics.
You will not accept the Word of God where it says such lawless individuals will not enter the kingdom.
You will stick you head in the sand like all good OSAS folks and ignore the crushing evidence against OSAS so you can hold tightly to that License to Sin, but the more you all do, the more slippery it becomes.
Look, pal, I may be a blue collar slave, but years ago in a large community college, I wrote a term paper the night before it was due because of "acute medical procrastination" for English 101 arguing against Gun Control for my professor, about whom we joked was a card-carrying member of the ACLU.
She liked it so much, she asked to buy if from me in accordance with legal mumbo jumbo for the purpose of using it as a teaching tool...and two years later, my sister in law went through her class and she trotted out my paper and said, "This is how a term paper should be written" -- so trust me, I know a thing or two about the English language.
Therefore, take the verse to any English, Literary, or honest, objective Bible scholar and ask any of them if it can be interpreted the way I've done so. You will be eating crow. They will tell you the verse can be interpreted either your way OR my way, so it's up us to allow the rest of the Bible to decide which is correct.
A person who insists lawbreakers are going to heaven while ignoring texts like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV that say the complete opposite reveals everything anyone needs to know about his views - they ain't Biblical.
She liked it so much, she asked to buy if from me in accordance with legal mumbo jumbo for the purpose of using it as a teaching tool...and two years later, my sister in law went through her class and she trotted out my paper and said, "This is how a term paper should be written" -- so trust me, I know a thing or two about the English language.
Therefore, take the verse to any English, Literary, or honest, objective Bible scholar and ask any of them if it can be interpreted the way I've done so. You will be eating crow. They will tell you the verse can be interpreted either your way OR my way, so it's up us to allow the rest of the Bible to decide which is correct.
A person who insists lawbreakers are going to heaven while ignoring texts like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV that say the complete opposite reveals everything anyone needs to know about his views - they ain't Biblical.
I would agree with you on the condition we are judged by our ability to keep the 10 commandments, but we're not.
We're talking about final destination here. Whether it's the great white throne judgment or the judgment seat of Christ.
Haven't we already went over James 2 and being judged by the law of liberty/royal law?
James 2:8-13
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
The law of liberty/royal law is loving our neighbor as ourselves and we do well to fulfill it. Conversely, breaking the 10 commandments comes with the caveat that one transgression of the 10 commandments is tantamount to transgressing all 10 commandments.
Therefore, speak and do as someone who will be judged by the law of liberty (loving your neighbor.) Because you will be judged without mercy if you are judging by the 10 commandments. However, if you judge by love you will receive mercy for being loving to your neighbor.
Now do you understand what it means to be called least or great in the kingdom of heaven? There won't be any people who have never broken the 10 commandments in heaven because the people in heaven are not judged according to their sins, but rather by their faith in Christ, love, and mercy.
These verses aren't about tossing the 10 commandments out the window and waving a OSAS pass around with a big ole grin. No one has claimed that, but you keep accusing others of doing it. I'm afraid you have missed the point of the new covenant if you think that. We keep the commandments because we love God and our neighbor, not because of any other reason. This is what God has commanded.
We're talking about final destination here. Whether it's the great white throne judgment or the judgment seat of Christ.
Haven't we already went over James 2 and being judged by the law of liberty/royal law?
James 2:8-13
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
The law of liberty/royal law is loving our neighbor as ourselves and we do well to fulfill it. Conversely, breaking the 10 commandments comes with the caveat that one transgression of the 10 commandments is tantamount to transgressing all 10 commandments.
Therefore, speak and do as someone who will be judged by the law of liberty (loving your neighbor.) Because you will be judged without mercy if you are judging by the 10 commandments. However, if you judge by love you will receive mercy for being loving to your neighbor.
Now do you understand what it means to be called least or great in the kingdom of heaven? There won't be any people who have never broken the 10 commandments in heaven because the people in heaven are not judged according to their sins, but rather by their faith in Christ, love, and mercy.
These verses aren't about tossing the 10 commandments out the window and waving a OSAS pass around with a big ole grin. No one has claimed that, but you keep accusing others of doing it. I'm afraid you have missed the point of the new covenant if you think that. We keep the commandments because we love God and our neighbor, not because of any other reason. This is what God has commanded.
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would you please point out that person here because I want to avoid their bad influence
seriously dude? those people Paul is talking about in those verses are not saved to begin with. and how do I know this? well, that would be because in 11, Paul say this
and such were some of you
I have also been known to have a good command of the English language
Oh and before we leave it there, Paul goes on to say this:
but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
well praise God! that is what the blood of Christ does for the unrighteous, the fornicators, the idolaters, the adulterers, the effeminate and abusers of themselves, the thieves, the covetous, the drunkards, the revilers and extortioners (I am sure this is only a partial list but you get the idea)...it washes away sin...so God can look upon them once again
so even though Paul was correcting their sinful behavior of suing and the like, he is still them they are what? SANCTIFIED
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I say produce your cause for inserting a 2,000 year gap in the 70 Weeks, an asinine deviation from God's method which is found in no other Numerically Specific Time Prophecy, as these exemplify:
Noah preached for the predicted, numerically specified 120 years, no more.
Sarah bore Isaac after the predicted, numerically specified 1 year, no more.
Israel was enslaved in Egypt for the predicted, numerically specified 400 years, no more.
Israel wandered the desert for the predicted, numerically specified 40 years, no more.
Joshua took Jericho after marching around it for the predicted, numerically specific 7 days, no more.
The famine during Ahab's reign lasted the predicted, numerically specified 3 1/2 years, no more.
The Syrian siege of Samaria was over after the predicted, numerically specified 1 day, no more.
The Shunammite woman bore a child after the predicted, numerically specified 1 year, no more.
Israel was freed from Babylon after the predicted, numerically specified 70 years, no more.
Nebuchadnezzar regained his sanity after the predicted, numerically specified 7 years, no more.
Jesus' walk to the Cross was "complete" the predicted, numerically specified 3 days (years), no more.
Noah preached for the predicted, numerically specified 120 years, no more.
Sarah bore Isaac after the predicted, numerically specified 1 year, no more.
Israel was enslaved in Egypt for the predicted, numerically specified 400 years, no more.
Israel wandered the desert for the predicted, numerically specified 40 years, no more.
Joshua took Jericho after marching around it for the predicted, numerically specific 7 days, no more.
The famine during Ahab's reign lasted the predicted, numerically specified 3 1/2 years, no more.
The Syrian siege of Samaria was over after the predicted, numerically specified 1 day, no more.
The Shunammite woman bore a child after the predicted, numerically specified 1 year, no more.
Israel was freed from Babylon after the predicted, numerically specified 70 years, no more.
Nebuchadnezzar regained his sanity after the predicted, numerically specified 7 years, no more.
Jesus' walk to the Cross was "complete" the predicted, numerically specified 3 days (years), no more.
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We can get back to discussing it when you're done eating crow - or have you yet to pluck up the courage to check that verse out with any English, Literary, or objective Bible scholars?
(BTW, it's "patting yourself on the back", but I'm more interested in improving your knowledge of Scripture than colloquial phrases, so get down to the university or library and check out that verse.)
(BTW, also, it's not an appeal to authority, it's an appeal for you to put down that cleaver with which you butcher the English language.)
(BTW, it's "patting yourself on the back", but I'm more interested in improving your knowledge of Scripture than colloquial phrases, so get down to the university or library and check out that verse.)
(BTW, also, it's not an appeal to authority, it's an appeal for you to put down that cleaver with which you butcher the English language.)
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once again ignoring the fact actual scripture proves mr 777wrong. scripture he is using himself in fact, to try and make a false dichotomy about what other posters here are saying and thinking
and no I am not going to play lob the accusation with you.. ain't worth it because even a person with coke bottle glasses can see what you are doing
and I won't use the expression 'some people are educated beyond their intelligence' nope. won't use that
and no I am not going to play lob the accusation with you.. ain't worth it because even a person with coke bottle glasses can see what you are doing
and I won't use the expression 'some people are educated beyond their intelligence' nope. won't use that
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