The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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I disagree, I think we often hide things from ourselves.
what do you mean by "idealisms"?
is it the same as "ideals"?
I agree that things are ingrained into us as children.
but I also think the mind is highly malleable, and can be reprogrammed if a person honestly desires to do so.
and yes, this is something that God is often involved with!
what do you mean by "idealisms"?
is it the same as "ideals"?
I agree that things are ingrained into us as children.
but I also think the mind is highly malleable, and can be reprogrammed if a person honestly desires to do so.
and yes, this is something that God is often involved with!
I don’t say I’m a preterist. You can drop the label. But the first century Christians knew that Matthew 24 applied to them certainly lastest when the armies surrounded Jerusalem.
Christians after that can rest assured that doesn’t apply to them. They don’t even live in that city.
Now they asked Jesus more than one question. The end of that age is not the same as the second matter. Just because both are discussed doesn’t mean both happen at the same time. It’s not all Matt 24 or nothing.
Those Christians knew Matt 24 end of age applies to them. This is known cause they left town.
Whatever label you want doesn’t matter.
Christians after that can rest assured that doesn’t apply to them. They don’t even live in that city.
Now they asked Jesus more than one question. The end of that age is not the same as the second matter. Just because both are discussed doesn’t mean both happen at the same time. It’s not all Matt 24 or nothing.
Those Christians knew Matt 24 end of age applies to them. This is known cause they left town.
Whatever label you want doesn’t matter.
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I studied history. Convinced me Matthew 24, Daniel and most of Revelation was completed by 70 AD. The early Christians knew that was the time Jesus was refering to and left town. None of them thought the end of the age was in 2000+ years and stayed home. That is pretty strong evidence for me but not the only evidence.
By the way, since you do not think the end of the age (Jewish age) has occured yet, you cannot tell someone to study history when the bulk of what you believe in the subject is in the future. Do you see what I mean? If one studies the past in this period, it is very convincing and Josephus writes eerily like the words of Revelation and never did not read the book.
By the way, since you do not think the end of the age (Jewish age) has occured yet, you cannot tell someone to study history when the bulk of what you believe in the subject is in the future. Do you see what I mean? If one studies the past in this period, it is very convincing and Josephus writes eerily like the words of Revelation and never did not read the book.
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Not at all. It contradictions Dispensationalism, that is true. But that was an invention of Darby promoted by Scofield. Dispensationalism contradicts scripture and creates embarassing problems. This generation cannot mean that generation. Soon does not mean within then next 2 millenia. They who were told by Jesus they would see this did not. Armies surrounding Jerusalem did not mean leave except that all left and it was really good. The list goes on and on. And these are embarassing for dispensationalists.
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Actually the name YHWH was limited to the Jews and even they lost it. So no one in the whole world knows what word God spoke to Moses. No one. I think I asked where does he say he will not let his name be profaned anymore. Can you supply that scritpure please? I would like to know the surrounding scriptures and how this is enforced by Him.
I asked for the reference to this statement by you. This is not addressing that statment? All mankind came to understand that YHVH was the only God at that time and have not questioned his authority since? " The "no questioning his authority" is particularly curious.
I asked for the reference to this statement by you. This is not addressing that statment? All mankind came to understand that YHVH was the only God at that time and have not questioned his authority since? " The "no questioning his authority" is particularly curious.
Actually it is the cities of the different ethnic groups fell and that was true. During that period many Roman cities fell as there was massive infighting. The Romans also destroyed many cities on the march to Jerusalem. So that was fulfilled. The word for "nations" is really ethnos which is ethnic groups. They did not have political nations, just ethnic groups. It was never meant to be the whole world.
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You claim the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 took place in 70AD?
Where was the second coming of Jesus Christ recorded in history "They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds Of Heaven" as seen in Matthew 24:29-31?
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days"
"They Shall see the Son of Man"
Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Where was the second coming of Jesus Christ recorded in history "They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds Of Heaven" as seen in Matthew 24:29-31?
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days"
"They Shall see the Son of Man"
Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Well, modern Jerusalem is a very ungodly city and it spoken of as ungodly in Revelation. God called the city Sodom. It is hard to imagine in that day or this that He is smiting the people who smite Sodom. We all know what happened to that city. So obviously that verse does not apply to the next some decades. God is not a bigot favoring one race over another. He gives one nation tasks or blessings that He does not give the others that is true. But it all comes with resonsiblity.
Those are not the same thing and in Matthew 24 they are not taught as the same thing. The gt comes with lots of signs. The second bodily coming of Christ comes with none, same as in the day of Noah. No warning.
The Bible speaks of God coming in the clouds and so on as judgement. The Sahedrin knew that was what Jesus was saying when he said they would see him coming in the clouds. He was coming to judge them and judge them He did.
Wrong! Read it again. It says they will see the SIGN OF THE SON OF Man, not the son of man. That is what they saw.
This was him coming in judgement same as he warned the Ephesians if they did not repent he would come and take away something. They didn't and he came and did as promised. Jesus came, but that coming in judgement is not the final appearing you are thinking of. The sun and moon, by the way, are not the bodies in the heavens.
The Bible speaks of God coming in the clouds and so on as judgement. The Sahedrin knew that was what Jesus was saying when he said they would see him coming in the clouds. He was coming to judge them and judge them He did.
Wrong! Read it again. It says they will see the SIGN OF THE SON OF Man, not the son of man. That is what they saw.
This was him coming in judgement same as he warned the Ephesians if they did not repent he would come and take away something. They didn't and he came and did as promised. Jesus came, but that coming in judgement is not the final appearing you are thinking of. The sun and moon, by the way, are not the bodies in the heavens.
Jesus Messiah Himself sanctioned (and in fact led) the conquest of Canaan!
Jos 5:13-15
When Joshua was by Jericho, he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us, or for our adversaries?”
And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the LORD. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?”
Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.
Then what follows is the destruction of Jericho, the spectacular event the Lord Jesus superintends to the finest detail, glorifying Himself to the Israelites and those in Jericho, so that they may know that it is the Lord who is doing this and not a man.
Jos 6:2
And the LORD said to Joshua, “Behold, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its mighty men of valor.
Only Rahab and her family were spared, every other man woman and child (and the animals) were all slaughtered.
Do you need some NT references that glorify the warrior King Jesus?
Okay here you go.
Rev 19:11, 13
Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war.
and having been clothed with a garment having been dipped in blood. And His name is called The Word of God.
Behold the warrior King Jesus glorious in His strength.
https://biblehub.com/nkjv/isaiah/63.htm
www.wordexplain.com/Eschatology_The_Warrior_with_the_Blood-Stained_Robe.html
" This Warrior must be identified with Jesus of Nazareth at His Second Coming in Power and Retribution. For too long, God's people, and in particular, God's chosen nation, the Nation of Israel, will have suffered the brunt of the world's discrimination and wrath. For too long the international community will have vented their ire on Israel and killed Israeli citizens. But when the Warrior King returns, the shoe will be on the other foot. Jordan, symbolic of the nations as a whole, will suffer devastating defeat and loss of property and life at the speech of Jesus, the Warrior with the Blood-Stained Robe. This passage is to be compared with the description of Jesus as The Rider on the White Horse (Rev. 19:11-21)."
Jos 5:13-15
When Joshua was by Jericho, he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in his hand. And Joshua went to him and said to him, “Are you for us, or for our adversaries?”
And he said, “No; but I am the commander of the army of the LORD. Now I have come.” And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped and said to him, “What does my lord say to his servant?”
Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.
Then what follows is the destruction of Jericho, the spectacular event the Lord Jesus superintends to the finest detail, glorifying Himself to the Israelites and those in Jericho, so that they may know that it is the Lord who is doing this and not a man.
Jos 6:2
And the LORD said to Joshua, “Behold, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its mighty men of valor.
Only Rahab and her family were spared, every other man woman and child (and the animals) were all slaughtered.
Do you need some NT references that glorify the warrior King Jesus?
Okay here you go.
Rev 19:11, 13
Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war.
and having been clothed with a garment having been dipped in blood. And His name is called The Word of God.
Behold the warrior King Jesus glorious in His strength.
https://biblehub.com/nkjv/isaiah/63.htm
www.wordexplain.com/Eschatology_The_Warrior_with_the_Blood-Stained_Robe.html
" This Warrior must be identified with Jesus of Nazareth at His Second Coming in Power and Retribution. For too long, God's people, and in particular, God's chosen nation, the Nation of Israel, will have suffered the brunt of the world's discrimination and wrath. For too long the international community will have vented their ire on Israel and killed Israeli citizens. But when the Warrior King returns, the shoe will be on the other foot. Jordan, symbolic of the nations as a whole, will suffer devastating defeat and loss of property and life at the speech of Jesus, the Warrior with the Blood-Stained Robe. This passage is to be compared with the description of Jesus as The Rider on the White Horse (Rev. 19:11-21)."
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The sun, moon, stars, heavens shaken, are the "SIGN", as you desperately try to remove the literal visual "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven.
You have a literal 70AD abomination, a literal great tribulation with Roman Soldiers and literal destruction of Jerusalem?
Then you take Matthew 24:29-31 in the Literal Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and throw it under the bus of "Symbolic Allegory"
Real Big Smiles!
Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
You have a literal 70AD abomination, a literal great tribulation with Roman Soldiers and literal destruction of Jerusalem?
Then you take Matthew 24:29-31 in the Literal Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and throw it under the bus of "Symbolic Allegory"
Real Big Smiles!
Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Your scope of understanding is severely limited. The Scripture makes it perfectly clear time and time again that in the TRUE Great Tribulation, the armies of ALL nations will surround Jerusalem, not just the Roman army. Then the Lord arrives as Savior AND DEFEATS THESE ARMIES! This alone falsifies any claim that 70 A.D. is the GT.
Zec 14:2, 3
For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, ******as he has fought in times past.*****
The 70 A.D. preterist nonsense is patently absurd but worse than that it's completely unbiblical. I have had to debate Bruce Gore on the matter of preterism. Amazingly a man of that intelligence and scholarship was in grievous error...........because he simply refuse to accept the Scriptures as they are written.
Zec 14:2, 3
For I will gather all the nations for battle against Jerusalem, and the city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations, ******as he has fought in times past.*****
The 70 A.D. preterist nonsense is patently absurd but worse than that it's completely unbiblical. I have had to debate Bruce Gore on the matter of preterism. Amazingly a man of that intelligence and scholarship was in grievous error...........because he simply refuse to accept the Scriptures as they are written.