The absurdity and heresy of Preterism
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The Jews were never God's chosen people??? That is probably the most insane comment I have ever heard on Christian chat bar none. It is also a damnable heresy.
Here are a few hundred more verses that you can deny, along with Romans chapter 11.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html
Israel is in the land, Jerusalem has been recaptured, and a Temple will soon be rebuilt.
That's a fact jack. And the REAL Great Tribulation is hot on its heels.
I don't know if anyone else is ready but I am is ready as I possibly can be. For the soon return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to be raptured to His eternal praise in His glory millennial and final eternal Kingdom.
Here are a few hundred more verses that you can deny, along with Romans chapter 11.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html
Israel is in the land, Jerusalem has been recaptured, and a Temple will soon be rebuilt.
That's a fact jack. And the REAL Great Tribulation is hot on its heels.
I don't know if anyone else is ready but I am is ready as I possibly can be. For the soon return of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to be raptured to His eternal praise in His glory millennial and final eternal Kingdom.
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Ignorant of prophecy much? Obviously too much. Israel is in the land exactly on schedule and Jerusalem was taken precisely on schedule as well. If you were paying attention that is.
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
Serious students who believe the Word understand these things. The Israel haters and deniers not so much. Probably because they have been blinded by God as a judgment for hating His people Israel in the first place.
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/BibleStudies/HIStoryOurFuture/Ezekiels430Days.html
Serious students who believe the Word understand these things. The Israel haters and deniers not so much. Probably because they have been blinded by God as a judgment for hating His people Israel in the first place.
You fail to comprehend that Gods sovereign choice has been universal in scope from before time began. Only a remnant of ethnic national Israel was being chosen during the Old Covenant for pity's sake. Only a residual number of gentiles are ever going to convert to Christianity as well, those chosen before the foundation of the world. And only a remnant of ethnic national Israel are going to be chosen to be saved during the GT.
Every serious Bible student understands these facts and concepts. You however do not.
Every serious Bible student understands these facts and concepts. You however do not.
Here's your major contradiction buddy.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html
https://www.biblestudytools.com/com...topics/summary-of-the-millennial-kingdom.html
Amen! And the temple furniture and other items are and have been ready to go. They have even been teaching their priests in the art of temple worship, offerings, etc. according to scripture for some time now. Once the church has been gathered God is going to pick up right where He left off with Israel in fulfillment of the last seven years of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon them and Jerusalem, found in Daniel 9:24-27
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No, God has the church which is made up of both Jews and Gentiles. The nation of unbelieving Israel is another dispensation that God is going to deal with during the tribulation. Another group that is not the church will be the great tribulation saints, which will be Gentiles who come to believe in Christ during the tribulation period. There is also the 144,000 the first fruits out of Israel which is another group of Israelites who will be sealed during the tribulation period.
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If what you said was the truth, why would the following information be written regarding Israel during the tribulation period? If God didn't care about them, why bother warning them to flee out into the wilderness when they see the abomination set up in the holy place within the future temple?
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.
How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
The same information regarding Israel fleeing out into the wilderness is also found in Revelation 12
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days."
"But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time."
In addition, there are many other promises to the nation Israel that have not yet been fulfilled:
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I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion;
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. For God has consigned all men to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all.
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The information above is in regards to the nation Israel, not the church. The Jews and Gentiles that belong to the church will have been gathered prior to the tribulation period. The scripture above is proclaiming what happens to the nation Israel during that time in that, she will flee out into the wilderness where she (Israel) will be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
God is not done with His people Israel.
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.
How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
The same information regarding Israel fleeing out into the wilderness is also found in Revelation 12
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days."
"But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time."
In addition, there are many other promises to the nation Israel that have not yet been fulfilled:
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I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come from Zion;
He will remove godlessness from Jacob.
And this is My covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. For God has consigned all men to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all.
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The information above is in regards to the nation Israel, not the church. The Jews and Gentiles that belong to the church will have been gathered prior to the tribulation period. The scripture above is proclaiming what happens to the nation Israel during that time in that, she will flee out into the wilderness where she (Israel) will be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
God is not done with His people Israel.
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Is that so? So where does Adam fit in your minuscule salvific framework? Or Noah? Or Job? Or Elijah? Or John the Baptist? Or the 144,000 of Revelation? Or the tribulation saints? Or all of the Israelites in the millennium? Or King David who will be resurrected as a prince in the millennium? Or all of the gentiles born in the millennium?
Sounds to me like you've got a one track mind. KJV1611 says about the same thing actually. That the present day Church is the be-all and end-all.
Sounds to me like you've got a one track mind. KJV1611 says about the same thing actually. That the present day Church is the be-all and end-all.
No. This is not the reason they rejected Christ... and killed Jesus.
[Peter, in Acts 3, is saying they overlooked/bypassed the prophecies regarding the "Suffering Servant," vv. 13,26 "His Servant Jesus" (i.e. His first advent things [note also Acts 3:21's "UNTIL" which parallels a number of other "UNTIL" related passages]);... Thus, comp. Lk19:14, 1Sam8:7, Acts 3:21,24, Gen37:8, etc, when placed alongside 1Cor2:7-8; That is, Peter, here in Acts 3, is not saying what the "amill-teachings" is saying it is (and others, like it)... because they disregard the TWO *distinct* "raise" aspects in this chpt]
[Peter, in Acts 3, is saying they overlooked/bypassed the prophecies regarding the "Suffering Servant," vv. 13,26 "His Servant Jesus" (i.e. His first advent things [note also Acts 3:21's "UNTIL" which parallels a number of other "UNTIL" related passages]);... Thus, comp. Lk19:14, 1Sam8:7, Acts 3:21,24, Gen37:8, etc, when placed alongside 1Cor2:7-8; That is, Peter, here in Acts 3, is not saying what the "amill-teachings" is saying it is (and others, like it)... because they disregard the TWO *distinct* "raise" aspects in this chpt]
When Paul says that "all Israel shall be saved" (Romans 11:26) that needs to be understood in the light of Bible prophecy pertaining to the Abrahamic Covenant and the redemption and restoration of the kingdom of Israel under Christ and AFTER His Second Coming.
Since we know that only believing Israel is saved, and is called "the good olive tree" then "all Israel" means "all believing Israel". But it goes beyond that. It also means all the twelve tribes of Israel in the future.
After the Second Coming of Christ, only one-third of that vast number of Jews brought by God to the land of Israel will actually believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech 13:8,9)
Now this group of believing Jews will also belong to ALL TWELVE TRIBES and will be settled in the land of greater Israel (from the Nile to the Euphrates). And that is what "all Israel" means. The book of Ezekiel shows us that God will gather all the Jews from around the world and bring them to the land of Israel after the Second Coming of Christ.
EZEKIEL 48: THE TWELVE TRIBES IN THE FUTURE LAND OF ISRAEL
1 Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan.
2 And by the border of Dan, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Asher.
3 And by the border of Asher, from the east side even unto the west side, a portion for Naphtali.
4 And by the border of Naphtali, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Manasseh.
5 And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.
6 And by the border of Ephraim, from the east side even unto the west side, a portion for Reuben.
7And by the border of Reuben, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Judah...
23 As for the rest of the tribes, from the east side unto the west side, Benjamin shall have a portion.
24 And by the border of Benjamin, from the east side unto the west side, Simeon shall have a portion.
25 And by the border of Simeon, from the east side unto the west side, Issachar a portion.
26 And by the border of Issachar, from the east side unto the west side, Zebulun a portion.
27 And by the border of Zebulun, from the east side unto the west side, Gad a portion...
Since we know that only believing Israel is saved, and is called "the good olive tree" then "all Israel" means "all believing Israel". But it goes beyond that. It also means all the twelve tribes of Israel in the future.
After the Second Coming of Christ, only one-third of that vast number of Jews brought by God to the land of Israel will actually believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved: And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech 13:8,9)
Now this group of believing Jews will also belong to ALL TWELVE TRIBES and will be settled in the land of greater Israel (from the Nile to the Euphrates). And that is what "all Israel" means. The book of Ezekiel shows us that God will gather all the Jews from around the world and bring them to the land of Israel after the Second Coming of Christ.
EZEKIEL 48: THE TWELVE TRIBES IN THE FUTURE LAND OF ISRAEL
1 Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan.
2 And by the border of Dan, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Asher.
3 And by the border of Asher, from the east side even unto the west side, a portion for Naphtali.
4 And by the border of Naphtali, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Manasseh.
5 And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.
6 And by the border of Ephraim, from the east side even unto the west side, a portion for Reuben.
7And by the border of Reuben, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Judah...
23 As for the rest of the tribes, from the east side unto the west side, Benjamin shall have a portion.
24 And by the border of Benjamin, from the east side unto the west side, Simeon shall have a portion.
25 And by the border of Simeon, from the east side unto the west side, Issachar a portion.
26 And by the border of Issachar, from the east side unto the west side, Zebulun a portion.
27 And by the border of Zebulun, from the east side unto the west side, Gad a portion...
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Thanks I'm glad someone keyed in the necessary millennial prophecies into the mix.
Simply put the questions that arise in Romans chapter 11 and chapter 9 are resolved by looking at the whole counsel of God. Doing so also dispels the heresies such as replacement theology this rubbish about the abandoning of Israel by God.
There are too many ignorant one-liners on this thread for my taste. Totally useless. And that kind of ignorance breeds heresies.
Simply put the questions that arise in Romans chapter 11 and chapter 9 are resolved by looking at the whole counsel of God. Doing so also dispels the heresies such as replacement theology this rubbish about the abandoning of Israel by God.
There are too many ignorant one-liners on this thread for my taste. Totally useless. And that kind of ignorance breeds heresies.
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