The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

[biker]

Excellent detective work thank you. The case for a late date is overwhelming.

Thank You!

 

[cv5]

(Rom 9:6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(Rom 9:7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
(Rom 9:8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Why can't you understand those verses?

You're worshipping the "not all Israel" group of Israel... those ARE NOT God's chosen people.
You're worshiping the PHYSICAL SEED of Abraham, the ones who ARE NOT the children of God.
You're worshiping the CHILDREN OF THE FLESH - these ARE NOT the children of God.

How much more plainer would God have to say it for you to understand?
Your stance blasphemes God and his true chosen people.
You chose the antichrist Jews over the true Israel of God.

And you think my theology is messed up.

Those verses are there to illustrate and emphasize God's sovereign choice. They have nothing to do with the rejection of national Israel, they have nothing to do with replacement theology.
Did you forget about Romans chapter 11? Give it a read and try to make sure that your head doesn't explode.

 

[biker]

Actually I know. That is my middle as well as starting place because I searched the scriptures to see if these things be so. But you guys are losing and so attack me personally.

It really is difficult to attack/insult someone who is in complete denial of the facts.

 

[cv5]

Do something useful while you're waiting.

I am. Just fished up a conference call and prayer meeting with my church mates. And in fact you may be interested to know that I told them all about this thread, and how the preterists and amillennialists and replacement theologians had their clock cleaned by those who knew their Bible and were serious students and legitimate believers and just happen to be premillennialists, believed in the rapture, and understood that Israel will be fully and finally redeemed and take eternal possession in the land promised to Abraham.

 

[cv5]

Actually I know. That is my middle as well as starting place because I searched the scriptures to see if these things be so. But you guys are losing and so attack me personally.

There is no problem with you being attacked because you are not. The problem is you cannot and have not defended your position using Scripture. We are still waiting for one single solitary quote or verse!

 

[cv5]

The rapture happens between the sixth and seventh trumpet which is the last mentioned in Revelation. The elect are not on earth when the bowels of wrath are unleashed but do undergo persecution by the Antichrist. John sees a vision of those under the alter
who have been beheaded and a numberless crowd in heaven that have come out of the tribulation. I believe that the persecution
of believers intensifies when the Antichrist sits in the Jerusalem Temple and declares himself God. Earthly Jerusalem in Revelation is portrayed as a Harlot dressed in the fabric colours of the Tabernacal and clothing of a Jewish High Priest with one colour missing. that colour is Blue. Blue represented holiness and purity. The spiritual names of Jerusalem in Revelation are Egypt and Sodom. It is also
called the great City. Another place in Revelation called that great City is Babylon. Its because in Revelation Jerusalem and Babylon the Great are spiritually the same place. Another interesting pointer is in Matthews Gospel it mentions mountains associated with
Jesus' ministry seven times but Il leave that for now.

Well I don't agree with everything you have just written but I am thrilled that you actually believe in the rapture though it is a mid TRIB rapture. Thank you for the post.

 

[biker]

It is surprising the venom with which the pre-tribs and post-tribs fight. You’d think Jesus’ coming depends upon them personally having the right view. I know those have made very foolish decisions from the rapture theology. If they’d known the truth It’d have been much better.

Have you read the venom that came from Jesus Himself when dealing with the Pharisees?
Blatant ignorance demands venom in return!

 

[DorothyMae]

Jesus told them to leave. And history affirms not one perished. This is not Preterism. It's scripture and accepted as true in Amillennialism. Hint; Preterism = all of Matthew 24 was fulfilled then, and this is false.

I actually do not have any interest in discussing labels. I find that prevent real discussion rather than foster it.

 

[cv5]

It is surprising the venom with which the pre-tribs and post-tribs fight. You’d think Jesus’ coming depends upon them personally having the right view. I know those have made very foolish decisions from the rapture theology. If they’d known the truth It’d have been much better.

Jesus' coming has nothing whatsoever to do with "personally having the right view".
However Jesus coming FOR YOU has everything to do with personally having the right view.

 

[Dino246]

Blatant ignorance demands venom in return!

I sure hope you don't interact with children.

 

[biker]

"Tertullian also has mentioned Domitian in the following words: 'Domitian also, who possessed a share of Nero's cruelty, attempted once to do the same thing that the latter did. But because he had, I suppose, some intelligence, he very soon ceased, and even recalled those whom he had banished.' But after Domitian had reigned fifteen years, and Nerva had succeeded to the empire, the Roman Senate, according to the writers that record the history of those days, voted that Domitian's horrors should be cancelled, and that those who had been unjustly banished should return to their homes and have their property restored to them. It was at this time that the apostle John returned from his banishment in the island and took up his abode at Ephesus, according to an ancient Christian tradition."

 

[biker]

I sure hope you don't interact with children.

preterists are grown adults. But if you desire to be seen as a child, I can oblige your wishes.

 

[Dino246]

preterists are grown adults. But if you desire to be seen as a child, I can oblige your wishes.

Asinine.

 

[cv5]

"Tertullian also has mentioned Domitian in the following words: 'Domitian also, who possessed a share of Nero's cruelty, attempted once to do the same thing that the latter did. But because he had, I suppose, some intelligence, he very soon ceased, and even recalled those whom he had banished.' But after Domitian had reigned fifteen years, and Nerva had succeeded to the empire, the Roman Senate, according to the writers that record the history of those days, voted that Domitian's horrors should be cancelled, and that those who had been unjustly banished should return to their homes and have their property restored to them. It was at this time that the apostle John returned from his banishment in the island and took up his abode at Ephesus, according to an ancient Christian tradition."

Slamdunk Biker......!

"That John lived until after the reign of Domitian is also shown by Irenaeus' repeated references to his own mentor, Polycarp, being John's disciple.[8] Polycarp was born in AD65, and died in AD155. He was five years old when Jerusalem was destroyed. He was two years old when Nero died. His being tutored by John therefore must have been at least a decade after the destruction of Jerusalem, and more likely two or three decades afterward."

 

[DorothyMae]

I have already explained that the events of AD70 were a TYPE of a final judgement of the nation and that Preterests have mistakenly
viewed the type to be the real thing. In the same way many see modern Israel to be start of the of the Millenial kingdom
instead of preparation that final judgement.

I take it you have not been to modern Israel except maybe on a guided "holy land" tour.

 

[DorothyMae]

Yes you're looking for a physical kingdom where Jesus literally sits on David's throne in that God forsaken place they call Israel.

The Pharisees believed this is what the Messiah would do as well.

 

[cv5]

Have you read the venom that came from Jesus Himself when dealing with the Pharisees?
Blatant ignorance demands venom in return!

The venom now is actually doing them a favor for it is severe judgment later.
Jesus was actually doing the Pharisees a mercy when He was laying into them as well.

 

[azamzimtoti]

I have already explained that the events of AD70 were a TYPE of a final judgement of the nation and that Preterests have mistakenly
viewed the type to be the real thing. In the same way many see modern Israel to be start of the of the Millenial kingdom
instead of preparation that final judgement.

Explain all you want, there is not such thing as 70 AD being a type, modern Israel is nothing more than a political solution under the Balfour Declaration.

The only return to the land was under the old covenant promises of repentance and obedience to the law which have long since expired.

There has never been repentance by the Zionists.

(Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.)

(Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.)

 

[KJV1611]

Those verses are there to illustrate and emphasize God's sovereign choice. They have nothing to do with the rejection of national Israel, they have nothing to do with replacement theology.
Did you forget about Romans chapter 11? Give it a read and try to make sure that your head doesn't explode.

I guess you have no ability to comprehend what you read whatsoever. Those verses are telling you that the Jews were NEVER God's chosen people. Get it? Not all of Israel (Blood Jews) is of Israel (God's Elect - Spiritual Jews).

I can tell you have no clue what you're talking about when you bring up replacement theology. Nobody has ever replaced anybody. God's elect are the same today as they were in Abraham's day. Here you are again on the wrong side of God and supporting the enemies of the gospel, the people that God never chose, the same people that hate God and killed Jesus. And you practically worship them. You're border line insane in my opinion.

 

[KJV1611]

The Pharisees believed this is what the Messiah would do as well.

Absolutely. Pharisees never went away, they're still here today, believing the same lies.