The Antichrist Myth

[GRA]

I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. - Daniel 7:9-10

The words 'beheld till' indicate a passage of time and event in the unfolding of the vision.

These verses are talking about Judgment Day. ( Revelation 20:11-15 )



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[Stephen63]

Easton's Illustrated Dictionary says this about the Antichrist:

Antichrist

Against Christ, or an opposition Christ, a rival Christ. The word is used only by the apostle John. Referring to false teachers, he says (1Jn 2:18, 22; 1Jn 4:3; 2Jn 1:7), "Even now are there many antichrists."
(1.) This name has been applied to the "little horn" of the "king of fierce countenance" (Dan 7:24, 25; Dan 8:23-25).
(2.) It has been applied also to the "false Christs" spoken of by our Lord (Mat 24:5, 23, 24).
(3.) To the "man of sin" described by Paul (2Th 2:3, 4, 8-10).


(4.) And to the "beast from the sea" (Rev 13:1; Rev 17:1-18).

 

[Therapon]

time, times, and a half. Is the last 1260 days or 42 months the last 3 ½ years
scattering the power of the holy people is us then all these things shall be finished, its prophesy not history

Again, with all due respect sir, your eschatology needs updating. Ezekile 4:5-6 tells us that prophetic days should actually be understood as years . . .

1. The 1290 days of Dan 12:11, fulfilled in 688AD by the construction of the Islamic Dome of the Rock.
2 The 42 months of Rev 11:2, fulfilled in 1967AD by the freeing of Jerusalem from Gentile control.
3. The 1260 Days of Rev 11:3, fulfilled in 1948AD by the Jewish people returning to their homeland.
4. The 1260 days of Rev 12:5, fulfilled in 1948AD by the establishment of the new nation of Israel.
5. The Time, Times and Half Time of Dan 7:25, fulfilled in 1948AD by the new nation of Israel.
6. The Time, Times and Half Time of Dan 12:7, fulfilled in 1967AD by the freeing of Jerusalem.
7. The Season and Time of Dan 7:12, fulfilled in 1948AD when Gentiles lost control of the Holy Land.

It is a satitistical impossibility for those seven verses to hit dates separated by hundreds of years unless these are the correct interpretations. I know you are unaware of this, but what saddens me is that so few are interested in looking at the possibility that what they presently believe might be wrong.

 

[Stephen63]

The Nasb Topical Bible says this about the Antichrist:

ANTICHRIST
END TIMES FALSE CHRISTS Antichrist is one who opposes and counterfeits Christ primarily through deception (2 John 7; cf. Psalms 2:1-3); Matthew 24:4-5, 23-24; John 5:43; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13). The specific term “antichrist” occurs only in John’s letters, but the concept appears in both the OT and NT and also in the intertestamental literature. The personal antichrist of the end times is empowered by Satan (Revelation 13:2, 4; cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9). He appears in the future tribulation period as a world ruler with his empire possibly centered in a restored form of the Roman Empire (1 John 2:18; Revelation 13; 17:7-18; cf. Daniel 7:23-25). The antichrist is the individual culmination of many antichrists who have already arisen (1 John 2:18; cf. 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 7-8). other expressions for the little horn Daniel 7:8 “the prince who is to come” Daniel 9:26 the willful king Daniel 11:36-45 “the abomination of desolation” Daniel 12:11 (cf. Matthew 24:15) “the son of destruction” 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (cf. John 17:12) “the man of lawlessness” 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9 (cf. Daniel 7:25) the beast who comes out of the sea Revelation 13:1-10 (cf. 11:7); 19:19-21; 20:10 description of blasphemous Daniel 7:8, 11, 20, 25; Revelation 13:1, 5, 6 persecutes the saints Daniel 7:21, 25; Revelation 13:7, 15 opposes God and His Son Daniel 7:25; 11:36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 13:6; 19:19 self-deifying Daniel 7:25; 11:36-39; 2 Thessalonians 2:4 granted power and authority Daniel 7:25; Revelation 13:2, 4-5, 7, 12 (cf. 17:13) profane Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 13:14-15 (cf. Daniel 11:31) lawless 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 8 seeks universal worship 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 13:4, 12; 19:20 temporarily restrained 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 allied with the second beast (or false prophet) Revelation 13:11-15; 19:20 (cf. Matthew 24:11, 24 has an identifying number Revelation 13:17-18 forms political alliances Revelation 17:12 reign of duration of his reign Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2; 12:6, 14; 13:5 (cf. 17:10) universality of his reign Revelation 13:7, 16 restrictions under his reign Revelation 13:16-17 type of (i.e., Antiochus IV Epiphanes) Daniel 8:9-12 (cf. 8:23-25) miraculous signs related to Matthew 24:24; 2 Thessalonians 2:9; Revelation 13:13-15; 19:20 expressed in denial of the Father and the Son 1 John 2:22 denial of the Messiahship and incarnation of Jesus 1 John 2:22; 4:3; 2 John 7 followers of 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12; Revelation 13:8, 12; 19:20-21; 20:15 (cf. John 5:43) judgment of 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9; Revelation 17:11; 19:11-21, especially vv. 20-21; 20:10 (cf. Isaiah 11:4); Daniel 7:11, 26; 11:45

 

[peterT]

I think you are completely misunderstanding peterT. Your basing your understand on a precept that is proven to be false, a false doctrine that can be traced back to the very roots of it’s inception by the Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera.
When we place our doctrinal filter upon our eyes when we study God’s Word it can lead to a faulty exegesis of scripture.
Out of respect for Therapon I will allow him to start the thread he said he will start in a few days to address this and show where this has been fulfilled.


2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

While many believe there is only one man of sin because it is used in singular fashion, we cannot assume this to be true any more then we can assume there is only one man of God because it is used in a singular fashion as the following verses demonstrate.
Deu 33:1
And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
1Ki 12:22
But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying,
2Ki 5:8
And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
2Ch 8:14
And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:

As we can see the man of sin and the son of perdition are interchangeable terms, which also proves that there is more then one man of sin.
Do you believe Judas will be resurrected before Christ’s return?
Look in today’s churches and you will find many who proclaim themselves to be above God. Isn’t that what those who openly sin are doing when they say God will forgive them even when they refuse to repent and continue to live in sin? Aren’t they placing themselves above what is called God? (See John 1:1)
As far as the man of sin sitting in the temple of God, allow me to ask a few questions.

Does God dwell in man made temples?
See Acts7:48 and acts 17:24

Where is the temple of God?
See 1Cor3:16-17 and 2Cor6:16 which shows that we are individual temples of God that are part of the corporate temple that Christ Himself built in three days (see John 2:19 ) using Himself as the cornerstone and us believers as the lively stones (Eph2:19-21)

Maybe this will help you gain an understanding of who the man of sin is and where he sits.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
　

You are a funny man mate

 

[Therapon]

I think it's a reference to Christs ascension.

Very good! I knew someone around here would be thinking. <smile>

 

[Skinski7]

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2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

While many believe there is only one man of sin because it is used in singular fashion, we cannot assume this to be true any more then we can assume there is only one man of God because it is used in a singular fashion as the following verses demonstrate.
Deu 33:1
And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
1Ki 12:22
But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying,
2Ki 5:8
And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
2Ch 8:14
And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:

As we can see the man of sin and the son of perdition are interchangeable terms, which also proves that there is more then one man of sin.
Do you believe Judas will be resurrected before Christ’s return?
Look in today’s churches and you will find many who proclaim themselves to be above God. Isn’t that what those who openly sin are doing when they say God will forgive them even when they refuse to repent and continue to live in sin? Aren’t they placing themselves above what is called God? (See John 1:1)
As far as the man of sin sitting in the temple of God, allow me to ask a few questions.

Does God dwell in man made temples?
See Acts7:48 and acts 17:24

Where is the temple of God?
See 1Cor3:16-17 and 2Cor6:16 which shows that we are individual temples of God that are part of the corporate temple that Christ Himself built in three days (see John 2:19 ) using Himself as the cornerstone and us believers as the lively stones (Eph2:19-21)

Maybe this will help you gain an understanding of who the man of sin is and where he sits.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
　

This is the same conclusion I have reached in regards to the man of sin in that he is... "many who proclaim themselves to be above God. Isn’t that what those who openly sin are doing when they say God will forgive them even when they refuse to repent and continue to live in sin?"

Paul brings into context in 2Th many aspects, apostasy, not loving the truth, departure from truth, setting up as God in the temple of God, and finally God Himself sending a powerful delusion.

I think the powerful delusion is in the Bible itself in how it can be mishandled and twisted into supporting a "saved in sins" message. What I mean is that many today teach a doctrine where salvation is extent in an abstract provision which leaves the saved person still in bondage. It's a Gospel which has basically eliminated authentic repentance by which the rebellion ceases and replaced it with "trusting in a provision" which is a cloak for an ongoing state of rebellion. Thus we end up with vast numbers of people professing they are saved whilst they still live in blatant sin who use the excuse that they "cannot help it" misusing scriptures like Rom 7, 1Joh 1:8 etc.

I also see a distinct parallel to Rev 13 and the mark of the beast because the same word used for "man" in "man of sin in 2Th 2:3 is used in "mark of a man" and that word is Anthropos which in context according to Greek Lexicon's refers to "man" in a general sense (ie. mankind) and not a specific individual person.

Thus the man of sin is the man with the mark. The mark not being a literal computer chip like many believe (although there may be a shadow fulfillment in that sense) but rather the "mark of the flesh" ie. those who "walk after the flesh" as opposed to those who "walk after the Spirit."

This is not without basis because there is a "Mark of God" spoken of throughout the Bible, in fact it appears in the verses following the "Mark of the Beast."

The Mark of God
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheadsof the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
Eze 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Luk 10:27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Luk 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Deu 11:18Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

Those scriptures above surely parallel the Mark of the Beast.

The Mark of God is basically this...

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39And the secondislike unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The word "mark" in the Greek is...

Mark – G5480 – Charagma
[Strongs] - From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
[Vines] - denotes "a stamp, impress," translated "mark" in Rev_13:16,17, etc.

The Mark of the Beast is placed in the right hand or forehead.

Forehead – G3359 – Metopon
[Strongs] - ōps (the face); the forehead (as opposite the countenance): - forehead.
[Vines] - metapon from meta, "with," and ops, "an eye," occurs only in the Apocalypse, Rev 7:3; Rev 9:4; Rev 13:16; Rev 14:1,9; Rev 17:5; Rev 20:4; Rev 22:4.

Forehead is "with and eye" and isn't the eye and the hand what Jesus taught to pluck out and cut off in relation to sin? Doesn't it parallel Eze 13:9...

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.


Who gets saved?
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Paul is not speaking about mere lip service in Rom 10:9 as many seem to imply today (ie. Romans Road to Salvation). Paul is speaking about being a "doer of the word" because the word in in your heart. Our entire being has to be aligned with it.

Thus the apostasy spoke of in 2Th 2 in regards to the "man of sin in the temple of God" is a reference to the individuals who are part of a false christianity which denies the true manifest righteousness of 1Joh 3:9-10. This man of sin is only able to be revealed when the departure from the truth has taken place and a religious system has been borne where one does not have to pluck out the eye or cut off the hand.

A religious system which does not teach you are a slave to whom you obey.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

A religious system which teaches you can obey sin and still be a Christian. Again, the mark is a "badge of servitude."


(cont...)

 

[Skinski7]

(...cont)

The man of sin denies this...

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

They did not have a love of the truth that they might be saved (from sin) but had pleasure in unrighteousness. So God sent an effectual delusion to damn them.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There are many wolves in sheeps clothing who preach a false christianity and many of them come with signs and wonders...

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Isn't this what the beast with the two horns of a lamb did?

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Are there not many people in bondage to sin who claim to have been baptised in the Holy Ghost?

Yes there are and they worship an IMAGE. If you speak against this image you will be persecuted and you will be cast out from the system. In effect you are put to death and cannot buy and sell amongst them.

 

[Stephen63]

One must understand that as God is known by many different names in the Scriptures, Jesus is known by many names in Scripture, the devil is known by many names in Scripture, so also the Antichrist will be known by many names as well. There is absolutely no stretch in that. Just because there's only four Scriptures with the name antichrist in them doesn't mean there isn't an Antichrist.

 

[peterT]

I think you are completely misunderstanding peterT. Your basing your understand on a precept that is proven to be false, a false doctrine that can be traced back to the very roots of it’s inception by the Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera.
When we place our doctrinal filter upon our eyes when we study God’s Word it can lead to a faulty exegesis of scripture.
Out of respect for Therapon I will allow him to start the thread he said he will start in a few days to address this and show where this has been fulfilled.


2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

While many believe there is only one man of sin because it is used in singular fashion, we cannot assume this to be true any more then we can assume there is only one man of God because it is used in a singular fashion as the following verses demonstrate.
Deu 33:1
And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
1Ki 12:22
But the word of God came unto Shemaiah the man of God, saying,
2Ki 5:8
And it was so, when Elisha the man of God had heard that the king of Israel had rent his clothes, that he sent to the king, saying, Wherefore hast thou rent thy clothes? let him come now to me, and he shall know that there is a prophet in Israel.
2Ch 8:14
And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:

As we can see the man of sin and the son of perdition are interchangeable terms, which also proves that there is more then one man of sin.
Do you believe Judas will be resurrected before Christ’s return?
Look in today’s churches and you will find many who proclaim themselves to be above God. Isn’t that what those who openly sin are doing when they say God will forgive them even when they refuse to repent and continue to live in sin? Aren’t they placing themselves above what is called God? (See John 1:1)
As far as the man of sin sitting in the temple of God, allow me to ask a few questions.

Does God dwell in man made temples?
See Acts7:48 and acts 17:24

Where is the temple of God?
See 1Cor3:16-17 and 2Cor6:16 which shows that we are individual temples of God that are part of the corporate temple that Christ Himself built in three days (see John 2:19 ) using Himself as the cornerstone and us believers as the lively stones (Eph2:19-21)

Maybe this will help you gain an understanding of who the man of sin is and where he sits.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316
　

So the verses should Go more like this


1Christianwarrior316 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and THOSE MEN of sin be revealed, the SONS of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth THEMSELFS above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that THEY as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing THEMSELFS that THEY ARE God.


We will have to pull Paul up when we see him.


You’re a funny man Bro

 

[starfield]

The bible makes distinction between the Antichrist and antichrists/spirit of antichrist. The spirit of antichrist is already at work, but the Antichrist (an individual of lawlessness) has not been revealed.

There are many antichrists today who deny that Jesus is God and are leading many away from the truth...
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Here are some descriptions of the Antichrist...
Daniel 7:25-28
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.
He will blaspheme God.

Daniel 9:24-27
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
He will make a 7-year covenant then break it after 3.5 years and start war with the tribulation saints.

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
He will claim to be God.

Rev 13:1-7
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

So the Antichrist is not a system that follows false Christianity nor is he an organization, but will be an individual who will proclaim to be Christ and deceive many to take the mark of the beast.

 

[Therapon]

One must understand that as God is known by many different names in the Scriptures, Jesus is known by many names in Scripture, the devil is known by many names in Scripture, so also the Antichrist will be known by many names as well. There is absolutely no stretch in that. Just because there's only four Scriptures with the name antichrist in them doesn't mean there isn't an Antichrist.

Problem is, you cannot support a future antichrist from Scripture, oh you can interpret verses to mean that, but you cannot solidly support the doctrine.

 

[Therapon]

In my humble opinion, brethren, and with no intent to give offense, you are defending a questionable doctrine rather than looking at the the Bible with an open heart.

 

[Stephen63]

In my humble opinion, brethren, and with no intent to give offense, you are defending a questionable doctrine rather than looking at the the Bible with an open heart.

It is just that.

 

[Trax]

In my humble opinion, brethren, and with no intent to give offense, you are defending a questionable doctrine rather than looking at the the Bible with an open heart.

Its amazing. There is an ocean of people who have discovered that the Bible doesn't teach
the long held doctrines we had been lead to believe. And its happening at the same time the falling
away is taking place. Think there's a connection here?

 

[Bookends]

The words 'beheld till' indicate a passage of time and event in the unfolding of the vision.

These verses are talking about Judgment Day. ( Revelation 20:11-15 )



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I don't believe its Thee Judgment, but Judgment indeed after His ascension.

 

[Bookends]

Its amazing. There is an ocean of people who have discovered that the Bible doesn't teach
the long held doctrines we had been lead to believe. And its happening at the same time the falling
away is taking place. Think there's a connection here?

The falling away, hmmmm, I think many of times in history that could be "the falling away"...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

One must understand that as God is known by many different names in the Scriptures, Jesus is known by many names in Scripture, the devil is known by many names in Scripture, so also the Antichrist will be known by many names as well. There is absolutely no stretch in that. Just because there's only four Scriptures with the name antichrist in them doesn't mean there isn't an Antichrist.

it -is- a stretch when you examine the descriptions of those identified by each name and find that there is -no overlap- between them...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

The bible makes distinction between the Antichrist and antichrists/spirit of antichrist. The spirit of antichrist is already at work, but the Antichrist (an individual of lawlessness) has not been revealed.

actually the bible doesn't make that distinction...just certain teachers... the bible itself never says anything about anyone called '-the- antichrist'

antichrists are not the same as the man of lawlessness...or the little horn in daniel...or the beast...

do you know about venn diagrams? make a venn diagram of the descriptions of each of these four entities...

you will find that there is no overlap...so there is no scriptural basis for concluding that they are all the same thing...

 

[nathan3]

Paul says in his letter in 2nd thess chapter 2. that before Christ returns to this earth , the son of perditions needs to stand in Jerusalem claiming to be God and showing that he is God. Paul contines to say that Christ will return to this earth, after that falling away, and that will be the end.

The son of perdition: Perdition is one of the base names of Satan ( destroyer ), Apollyon means destroyer in the Greek. That is Satans name.

The desolator is another of Satan's names.

Anti in the Greek is, instead of Christ. As Paul stated, instead of Christ, comes Antichrist first claiming to be God. The son of Perdition, or apollyon., It is one of Satan's name sin the greek, he is the Only one with that name, no one ells. it can fit no other person. The greek is very specific

So when John and Christ say, a false Christ shall rise in the last day, they mean what they say. And the revelation of Jesus Christ, Chapter 13, the 2nd beast, is performing miracles just as Christ said he would in Mark 13: later in the chapter, and claiming to be the Lamb , as Paul stated also. its not that diffiuclt.