The Antichrist Myth

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peterT

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the primary meaning of 'anti' in greek is opposed to or against...so 'antichrist' would mean 'opposed to christ'...as when john calls those who deny that jesus is the christ 'antichrists'

paul never mentions any antichrists...he mentions the man of lawlessness...and paul's description of the man of lawlessness does not coincide with john's description of antichrists...

finally if you have studied daniel you would know that beasts in the bible represent empires...not individual people...neither the first nor the second beast in revelation are individual people...
You have the devil being cast out into the earth coming with great wrath for a short time.

you have a man of sin bigger that god.

You have john saying an Antichrist shall come.

You have Jesus saying the prince of this world cometh.

You have Jesus saying I come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not, if one comes in his own name him you will reserve.

You have someone killing all, if they don’t worship his image

You have a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies

You have someone doing mighty miracles to deceive the whole world.

You have ten kings in the end giving the power to the beast and making war with the lamb.

You have another king that comes out of ten kings making war with the saints and overcoming them.

Some speculation, but we build doctrine and call it sound on a lot less than that, including you.

NOW show me the scripture to tell your story, or are you just going to interpret and speculate on the scriptures that I use to tell my story.
 
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The Antichrist Myth

What was the purpose of John’s gospel and his three epistles? Why was he inspired to write them at the very end of his life, circa 95 to 105 A.D.? What had happened to the Church during his lifetime?

Acts 20:29 “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.”

Had the Apostle Paul’s prophecy of the church’s future already come to pass while John was alive? A few 1st and 2nd century heresies: Dualism (two gods), Gnosticism (Jesus not flesh), Montanism (additional revelation), Judaism (legalism), Asceticism (monasticism), Nocolaitanism (false apostles), Balaamism (merchandising the Gospel). Seeds of all appeared in the First Century. So it appears that John wrote when he did to expose false leaders and false doctrines that were already in the church. Confirmed by John 1:1-14, 2 Ti 3:6-8, Rev 2:2, 2:14-15, 2:20.

So who is “the” Antichrist? Did you know there are ONLY 4 VERSES in Scripture that mention “antichrist" by name?

1 John 2:18
, “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many
antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last time.” (NAS)

1 John 2:22, “Who is a liar but the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ. He is THE (Gr. definite article “te”) antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” (NAS)

1 John 4:3, “And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming; and now it is already in the world.” (NAS)

2 John 7, “For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is THE deceiver and THE antichrist.” (NAS)

Believe it or not, that’s all of them and I’ve also heard the moon was made of green cheese, but my having heard it doesn’t make it true. So do any of the above verses say there’s going to be a future Antichrist? If so, I fail to see it, or is John just exposing another heresy? Look at what’s being taught in evangelical churches today as struck-in-stone doctrines . . .

1. Antichrist will appear during the last 7 years of this era.
2. Rule as good leader 3 ½ years.
3. Rule as bad leader 3 ½ years.
4. Help the Jews rebuild the temple.
5. Reinstate animal sacrifices.
6. Build a “talking” image on the temple mount.
7. Stop sacrifices.
8. Destroy the temple during his last 3 ½ years.
9. Turn against the Jews.
10. Persecute Christians and Jews during a “seven year” tribulation.
11. Start Armageddon.
12. Be Satan in human form.

Sound familiar? Well guess what, not a single one of those popular end-time beliefs can be directly supported by the Bible, all are guesswork theology! During during the Christian era, God’s Temple is not a physical building on Mount Moriah! So lets locate where God says the Temple of God is located during the Christian Era . . .

1 Corinthians 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?”

2 Corinthians 6:16 “And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

Ephesians 2:22 “In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”

The following verse in which Satan Invades the Temple of God is usually interpreted to be about a coming Antichrist, but that ignores where the Temple of God is located during the Christian era . . .

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4
“That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (Satan is called a “man” in Isaiah 14:16 and elsewhere in Scripture); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god (Satan and fallen angels do that), or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

So where is the temple of God during the Christian era? In the believer’s heart! So this “he” of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 cannot a human! He is a demon or Satan himself, attacking the minds of Christians by masquerading as the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 11:14. All because invading spirits are not tested as commanded by 1 John 4:1-3.

The Command We Have Forgotten . . .

1 John 4:1-3 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try (Greek, δοϰιμάζω, dok-im-ad’-zo: to test, try, discern or examine. This is a command, not just a suggestion.) the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of
God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

The Lord already warned us, “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light,” 2 Corinthians 11:13. We forget it to our peril!

2 Thessalonians 2:5-8 “Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let (i.e., “restrains will restrain”, NAS), until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked (spirit) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.”

Genesis 6:3
“And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man.”

False church during the End-Times . . .

1 Timothy 4:1-2 “. . . in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron . . .”

2 Timothy 4:3-4 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires; and will turn away their ears from the truth, and will turn aside to myths.”

Note: What I have written I have written; I will not debate or argue it. I leave that to those who believe it their Christian duty to do so. <wry smile>
Awesome post. You hit the nail on the head! It appears that satans ploy is working, afterall the focus has been removed from the billions of antchrist past,present and future and instead resulted on many focusing on some imaginary boogeyman instead of Christs return. I do fear that many of those that have been misled are so busy looking for their boogeyman aka "The Antichrist" that when Christ returns they will be so blinded by doctrine that just like many of the Jews in the first century they will fail to recognize Christ. I often wonder how many will say this can't be Christ, the antichrist hasn't come and rebuilt the temple so this must be the antichrist coming with lying signs and wonders trying to fool us. I sure wouldn't want to be in those shoes on judgment day!
 
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Yes, "the Antichrist" teaching is definitely a myth; a fable. And yet, I don't know of any modern-day Evangelical or Pentacostal church that doesn't teach that fable.
Those churches are going to be shocked when they find out who the man of lawlessness is, and when they find out that they've been worshipping him.
 
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peterT

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Yes, "the Antichrist" teaching is definitely a myth; a fable. And yet, I don't know of any modern-day Evangelical or Pentacostal church that doesn't teach that fable.
Those churches are going to be shocked when they find out who the man of lawlessness is, and when they find out that they've been worshipping him.
I would like to see you show any of that in scripture


 
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nathan3

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Why do you ignore this?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.

This is a book written to the Thessalonians concerning the issues and events in their day... Yes we can gleam out of all the books of the bible some insight and instruction for us...But we always must ask who is the writer talking to (audience), what is going on-current events (why and what is the writer conveying in addressing the current events of that day), and does it have any application for us as Christians today. WE are so eager to apply directly everything said in the bible as if it were to pertain to us directly!


In God's peace and love....
I did not leave that out, if you want to discuss that i can with voice. It is already the confusion at work, He know now lets will let until he, be taken out the way,. In the greek there is a transtive verb, it has to go back to verse 4, and the he, who has to be taken out of the way for the wicked to be revlead, in vers 4, is Michael who is holding him in Rev 12. It was not written to the thess,. only .It was written to all Christians.ALL churches that would be , any christian . Read Christ teachings of the same thing in Mark. all the way to the end.
 
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nathan3

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the primary meaning of 'anti' in greek is opposed to or against...so 'antichrist' would mean 'opposed to christ'...as when john calls those who deny that jesus is the christ 'antichrists'

paul never mentions any antichrists...he mentions the man of lawlessness...and paul's description of the man of lawlessness does not coincide with john's description of antichrists...

finally if you have studied daniel you would know that beasts in the bible represent empires...not individual people...neither the first nor the second beast in revelation are individual people...
He is against Christ, But in the Greek it is " instead of Christ" you could'nt have actually read that in the Greek. Paul mentions the Son of Perdition , in the Greek, Perdition is the base name of one of Satan's names Apollyon in the Greek
 
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nathan3

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nathan,
according to your understanding, what does the future hold in terms of the anti-instead of christ who is to appear?
is it going to be satan appearing; looking/sounding/acting just like Jesus?

you say it's not being taught.
would you teach it?
what are you getting at of late in your posts?
Zone, to give you the benefit of the doubt, look at my thread i posted , its now on the 2nd page, in bible forum called " notes with love," i dont know how ells i can help you Zone. I would seriously pray. http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57270-notes-i-wrote-love.html I put them together in a bit of a rush, but you should b able to follow it still and glean insight
 
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I would like to see you show any of that in scripture
Sure, those fables are spoken of in 11Tim.4, and in 11Peter 2.

And 11Thessalonians 2 talks about a strong delusion that God sends his people in the latter days because they choose to believe those fables.

And then we have Revelation 13 which says that "all" will receive the man of lawlessness.
 
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nathan3

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Sure, those fables are spoken of in 11Tim.4, and in 11Peter 2.

And 11Thessalonians 2 talks about a strong delusion that God sends his people in the latter days because they choose to believe those fables.

And then we have Revelation 13 which says that "all" will receive the man of lawlessness.
if you think the Christ teachings is nothing more then a fable, you need time to read more of the Bible, the parts you have not read, with understanding.
 
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Awesome post. You hit the nail on the head! It appears that satans ploy is working, afterall the focus has been removed from the billions of antchrist past,present and future and instead resulted on many focusing on some imaginary boogeyman instead of Christs return. I do fear that many of those that have been misled are so busy looking for their boogeyman aka "The Antichrist" that when Christ returns they will be so blinded by doctrine that just like many of the Jews in the first century they will fail to recognize Christ. I often wonder how many will say this can't be Christ, the antichrist hasn't come and rebuilt the temple so this must be the antichrist coming with lying signs and wonders trying to fool us. I sure wouldn't want to be in those shoes on judgment day!
It seems to me that many are looking for some future deception and future apostasy when the deception is here right now and the apostasy is here right now.

I used to foolishly follow a lot of that prophecy stuff. I kept me running in endless circles forever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth.
 
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if you think the Christ teachings is nothing more then a fable, you need time to read more of the Bible, the parts you have not read, with understanding.
Christ didn't teach about a coming "Antichrist". That's a man-made doctrine.
 
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nathan3

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? Haven't you read it ? Just read. Is that difficult ? Don't worry about it...
 
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nathan3

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Yes, "the Antichrist" teaching is definitely a myth; a fable. And yet, I don't know of any modern-day Evangelical or Pentacostal church that doesn't teach that fable.
Those churches are going to be shocked when they find out who the man of lawlessness is, and when they find out that they've been worshipping him.
This statement does'nt make sense. The antichrist is the lawless one. Christ taught it for all christian's; that would listen . How do you reject the teaching of antichrist, call himwhatever you like, and at the same time, say that they will be worshiping him? there is so many different types of leaven in the world now
 
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Yes, "the Antichrist" teaching is definitely a myth; a fable. And yet, I don't know of any modern-day Evangelical or Pentacostal church that doesn't teach that fable.
Those churches are going to be shocked when they find out who the man of lawlessness is, and when they find out that they've been worshipping him.
Imagine someone has just made the exact same insinuation against you and your denomination / belief system. Would you be open to any teaching or correction from that person?

I seriously doubt it. So, keeping that in mind, do you honestly believe that any Evangelical or Pentecostal are going to take anything you have to say seriously after that comment? Do you realize that such a statement will only result in them turning away from what you believe to true rather than become accepting of it?

Something to think about : Sometimes people reject truth not because it's the truth but rather because of very poor delivery.
 
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This statement does'nt make sense. The antichrist is the lawless one. Christ taught it for all christian's; that would listen . How do you reject the teaching of antichrist, call himwhatever you like, and at the same time, say that they will be worshiping him? there is so many different types of leaven in the world now
The man of sin; son of perdition, which is mistakingly called "the Antichrist", is not one man, he's a nationality of man. The nationality that descended from Cain.
 
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Therapon

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Sometimes people reject truth not because it's the truth but rather because of very poor delivery.
Oh, so that's my problem; I've always wondered.
 
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Crossfire

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Oh, so that's my problem; I've always wondered.
If we are all honest with ourselves, then chances are we are all guilty of it at some point or another. The question is are we willing to humble ourselves and accept it, taking it to God in prayer and asking Him for help in dealing with it.

Often times we can become more passionate about knowledge than we are about people, forgetting that Jesus bypassed the intellectuals of his day, teaching the true gospel to simple men who would love God and love men with all their being.
 
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Sometimes the truth is just hard to swallow, no matter how you put it. It's not only a question of humbleness, but one of forgiveness too. Read Matthew 23.

True love does not always come in the package of "tolerance".
 
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Therapon

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Sometimes the truth is just hard to swallow, no matter how you put it.
And sometimes it's just like Jesus said, "I have many things to tell you but ye cannot bear there."
 
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peterT

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The man of sin; son of perdition, which is mistakingly called "the Antichrist", is not one man, he's a nationality of man. The nationality that descended from Cain.
So according to you the verses should go more like this.


2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and THOSE MEN of sin be revealed, the
SONS of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth THEMSELVES above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so THEY AS GODS sitteth in the temple of God, shewing THEMSELVES that THAT THEY ARE GODS

8 And then shall THOSE Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


We will have to pull Paul up with his mistake when we see him, thank God we have you in your wisdom to correct Pauls mistake.