The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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Cameron143

Cameron143

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reneweddaybyday said:
The seal also attests to ownership. I didn't just pull that definition out of my hat. I have provided you with Scriptural reference materials which state this truth.


At the time we are born again, God creates within the born again one the new man. The old man (who we were in Adam) is to be put off and the new man is to be put on ... see Ephesians 4:22-24 and Colossians 3:5-10.

As we mortify the deeds of the body (put off the old man) and put on the new man, we grow up and mature in that new creation. This doesn't happen overnight ... it takes time to mature from newborn babe in Christ where we feed on the milk of the Word (1 Peter 2:2) ... to the point where we are no longer tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Ephesians 4:14) and where we feed on strong meat, and by reason of use have the senses exercised to discern both good and evil (Hebrews 5:14).

This maturation process takes time and God works it from the inside out (Philippians 1:6).

It's not that we're born again ... left unsealed until we finally start seeing spiritual fruit exhibited in our lives. We're sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise the instant we're born again ... then as we grow and mature in the Lord Jesus Christ, we start seeing some of that spiritual fruit and we start desiring to have that in our lives rather than the works of the flesh.

That it takes time to mature in the Lord to the point where we start seeing some of the spiritual fruit does not mean we were not sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise the moment we were born again.
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My apologies if the directness of my former post was in any way offensive, but the purpose of a seal is to be seen. When the Spirit fell on those in Cornelius’s house, it was meant for Peter to see. At Pentecost, when the Spirit was poured out, it was meant for people to notice. When people spoke in tongues or glorified God in some manner of praise, it was meant to be a witness to authenticate the working of God in an individual. Sometimes it happened concurrently with the indwelling of the Spirit. At other times, it came subsequent to it.
Today, little is taught concerning it or it is taught incorrectly. The fruit of the Spirit is evidence of the indwelling of the Spirit, but as you stated, it takes time and is discerned by others who are spiritual themselves. The baptism of the Spirit is obvious to all.
 
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It makes many to be made alive !

The obedience unto death of Christ is more effective than the disobedience of adam, so brings about a more glorious result. Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Now as by Adams one offence many be dead, dead to God and spiritually dead, all men by nature are dead spiritually the wages of sin, but because of Christ's obedience and the gift by Gods grace, it abounds to the many which makes them alive from the dead. Thats why Paul tells sinners that were spiritually dead, God made them alive through Christ, quickened them, so that they are or were saved by that abounding grace Eph 2:5

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

So if one is never made spiritually alive to God out of being spiritually dead, Christ could not have tasted death for them Heb 2:9 65
 
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