The Basics of Speaking in Tongues
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dude get out of the OT and understand what NT prophecy means
it does not generally mean the FORETELLING but rather expounding on scripture or giving insight to what is written
of course if you didn't have the agenda that you have, you might know that
not getting into it with you cause it is way past boring by now since your reasoning is circular at best, but in case someone else is persuaded by your umpteen posts telling us there is no more prophecy and saying tongues is prophecy
tiresome
it does not generally mean the FORETELLING but rather expounding on scripture or giving insight to what is written
of course if you didn't have the agenda that you have, you might know that
not getting into it with you cause it is way past boring by now since your reasoning is circular at best, but in case someone else is persuaded by your umpteen posts telling us there is no more prophecy and saying tongues is prophecy
tiresome
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In thread 551 you referred to some as "bullies".
In thread 235 and 240 you referred to some as "atheist hiding as Christians"
This was in reference to those who disagree with what you believe.
In my mind that is name calling.
This thread got way out of hand and I must admit I had a part in the process and for that I am sorry for all I have offended.
But as a mod, CS1, you should have stepped in and cooled things down and you did not.
You joined in and only added fuel to the fire that that was out of control.
I stand by my belief that a mod should never take sides in a discussion. One can not moderate and take sides at the same time.
I believe that this thing called "tongues" is foolishness. It is only pleasing the flesh and has no place in the worship or service of God. I believe that those who are involved are just deceived.
Not saying that to offend, just letting you know what I believe.
Now with all this said, I will say one more thing.
I believe that the owners of this site have been negligent in allowing CS1 to participate in this discussion as a moderator.
I will probably receive a lot of those red faces and condemning responses. So be it.
The Mod may delete my account now because I just don't want to be a part of this anymore.
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In thread 235 and 240 you referred to some as "atheist hiding as Christians"
This was in reference to those who disagree with what you believe.
In my mind that is name calling.
This thread got way out of hand and I must admit I had a part in the process and for that I am sorry for all I have offended.
But as a mod, CS1, you should have stepped in and cooled things down and you did not.
You joined in and only added fuel to the fire that that was out of control.
I stand by my belief that a mod should never take sides in a discussion. One can not moderate and take sides at the same time.
I believe that this thing called "tongues" is foolishness. It is only pleasing the flesh and has no place in the worship or service of God. I believe that those who are involved are just deceived.
Not saying that to offend, just letting you know what I believe.
Now with all this said, I will say one more thing.
I believe that the owners of this site have been negligent in allowing CS1 to participate in this discussion as a moderator.
I will probably receive a lot of those red faces and condemning responses. So be it.
The Mod may delete my account now because I just don't want to be a part of this anymore.
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This is the most thorough and true explanation of speaking in tongues that you can read.
I thank God through Jesus,
that God has revealed this to me.
May God's truth keep you close to Him and Jesus Christ.
In the Old Testament, we read this about tongues...
Isaiah 28:11 Very well then, with foreign lips
and strange tongues God will speak to this people,
12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest";
and, "This is the place of repose"—
but they would not listen.
Now read what the New Testament says about tongues...
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
The nowadays tongue speakers today use their so-called tongue speaking for themselves and other believers in their church, they do not use it for unbelievers as the Bible tells us it is for. Do you see unbelievers coming to God because they hear foreigners to them speaking the words of God in their many languages? No. God can make anything happen, yet tongue speaking is not happening as it did when Jesus and the Apostles and Prophets were laying the foundation.
We can see from the scriptures that speaking in tongues was prophesied about in the Old Testament, that the Lord would speak to the Jews, as stated in Isaiah 28. In the New Testament, we can see that this is a fulfilled prophecy, as confirmed by Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Since the biblical speaking in tongues were for a sign, and God gave the sign for the purpose as prophesied in the Old Testament, it would make sense to believe that speaking in tongues is a gift that would stop.
I thank God through Jesus,
that God has revealed this to me.
May God's truth keep you close to Him and Jesus Christ.
In the Old Testament, we read this about tongues...
Isaiah 28:11 Very well then, with foreign lips
and strange tongues God will speak to this people,
12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest";
and, "This is the place of repose"—
but they would not listen.
Now read what the New Testament says about tongues...
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
The nowadays tongue speakers today use their so-called tongue speaking for themselves and other believers in their church, they do not use it for unbelievers as the Bible tells us it is for. Do you see unbelievers coming to God because they hear foreigners to them speaking the words of God in their many languages? No. God can make anything happen, yet tongue speaking is not happening as it did when Jesus and the Apostles and Prophets were laying the foundation.
We can see from the scriptures that speaking in tongues was prophesied about in the Old Testament, that the Lord would speak to the Jews, as stated in Isaiah 28. In the New Testament, we can see that this is a fulfilled prophecy, as confirmed by Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Since the biblical speaking in tongues were for a sign, and God gave the sign for the purpose as prophesied in the Old Testament, it would make sense to believe that speaking in tongues is a gift that would stop.
This explanation does not recognise God is the creator and is not limited by His vessel or His message.
As cc demonstrates some call themselves saved yet have no desire to walk like Jesus or even understand
His heart and His ways.
It did strike me as odd at first when David loved thinking about Gods law and precepts. Until you realise
the law is there to keep people safe, to bring blessing, to anoint and uplift the poor and the down trodden,
to make a whole group know their responsibilities and exercise them
The gifts of the Spirit are a further working out of this very reality.
Those who want to limit God will always claim things are predictable, and controlled, and conform to
these methods and routes, when God choosing the wild man, the man of passion and inspiration to
upset the rules based conformists and shake it up. But those who hate being shaken, and want predictable
security will always complain. So it is with the people of the Spirit, they are like the wind, you hear it and
feel it but you do not know where it is going.
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
John 3:8
So maybe ones desire for control indicates where ones heart is rooted.
As cc demonstrates some call themselves saved yet have no desire to walk like Jesus or even understand
His heart and His ways.
It did strike me as odd at first when David loved thinking about Gods law and precepts. Until you realise
the law is there to keep people safe, to bring blessing, to anoint and uplift the poor and the down trodden,
to make a whole group know their responsibilities and exercise them
The gifts of the Spirit are a further working out of this very reality.
Those who want to limit God will always claim things are predictable, and controlled, and conform to
these methods and routes, when God choosing the wild man, the man of passion and inspiration to
upset the rules based conformists and shake it up. But those who hate being shaken, and want predictable
security will always complain. So it is with the people of the Spirit, they are like the wind, you hear it and
feel it but you do not know where it is going.
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
John 3:8
So maybe ones desire for control indicates where ones heart is rooted.
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again you attack the owner while forgetting you have in times the past said thing that should have banned you but were not CC does not look to ban, in fact, the site owner is a very gracious person. You say you're sorry after the fact just as you have in other threads where you attacked and insulted many others including a mod. As a mod, I too am a CC member and can speak on any thread. Although most mod's do not that is their choice.
again, yes i did say and referred to some here as bullies and atheist hiding as Christians. That is well-known and yet I did not mention your name but you think it has to do with you that is on you.
"I believe that this thing called "tongues" is foolishness." you said Ok. that is your opinion but you attack many here who do not see it that way and when they bring spiritual you do not agree with you have resulted to name calling. Mod do not delete accounts and they never have. You are free to leave anytime you want.
again, yes i did say and referred to some here as bullies and atheist hiding as Christians. That is well-known and yet I did not mention your name but you think it has to do with you that is on you.
"I believe that this thing called "tongues" is foolishness." you said Ok. that is your opinion but you attack many here who do not see it that way and when they bring spiritual you do not agree with you have resulted to name calling. Mod do not delete accounts and they never have. You are free to leave anytime you want.
The closure of the canon of Scripture does not prove that prophecies have ceased. That's a logical fallacy and is not supported by anything in Scripture; 1 Cor 13:8 notwithstanding.
It is ludicrous to argue that Paul's words to the Corinthians ("Be eager to ... prophesy") were only relevant for about a decade or two, and that despite three chapters devoted to the gifts of the Spirit, they were a waste of time because not a single Corinthian believer's prophecy, word of knowledge, or message in tongues is recorded in Scripture. The Holy Spirit is smarter than that.
It is ludicrous to argue that Paul's words to the Corinthians ("Be eager to ... prophesy") were only relevant for about a decade or two, and that despite three chapters devoted to the gifts of the Spirit, they were a waste of time because not a single Corinthian believer's prophecy, word of knowledge, or message in tongues is recorded in Scripture. The Holy Spirit is smarter than that.
Hearing the "tongues will cease" when revelation is written argument is so bad. TERRIBLE argument
I need a vomit bag im so sick of hearing it. IM SICK OF IT
stop using that argument its TRASH
It says when they cease. WHEN we see face to face. CLEARLY talking about the Lord coming back. NOT talking about a BOOK, the Bible is a collection of BOOKS, inspired by the Holy Spirit YES, but a BOOK does not have a FACE.
Furthermore: The Bible HAS NOT HELPED US ONE BIT in unity, there are thousands of different cults and opinions.
And KNOWLEDGE has not ceased, and Daniel specifically prophecies that in teh LAST DAYS KNOWLEDGE shall increase............................
Shut it down. If you dont speak in tongues thats fine. If you think everyone that does is crazy thats fine. But what you are trying to preach does NOT line up with the Bible.
Nothing about "perfect" being the Bible completed in 90AD that nobody had a complete version of until centuries later, the Bible that most people couldnt even READ back then.
What good is a bible if you CANT READ?
I cant remember who it was but someone here once said that it seems like we've gone from "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" to -> Father Son and Holy Bible.
Holy Spirit is completely left out of the picture! And according to some people, the devil has all the power to do all the signs and wonders, he is doing things constantly, yet God's spirit? naah. He aint doing nothing today.
Needless to say, i am SALTY:
I need a vomit bag im so sick of hearing it. IM SICK OF IT
stop using that argument its TRASH
It says when they cease. WHEN we see face to face. CLEARLY talking about the Lord coming back. NOT talking about a BOOK, the Bible is a collection of BOOKS, inspired by the Holy Spirit YES, but a BOOK does not have a FACE.
Furthermore: The Bible HAS NOT HELPED US ONE BIT in unity, there are thousands of different cults and opinions.
And KNOWLEDGE has not ceased, and Daniel specifically prophecies that in teh LAST DAYS KNOWLEDGE shall increase............................
Shut it down. If you dont speak in tongues thats fine. If you think everyone that does is crazy thats fine. But what you are trying to preach does NOT line up with the Bible.
Nothing about "perfect" being the Bible completed in 90AD that nobody had a complete version of until centuries later, the Bible that most people couldnt even READ back then.
What good is a bible if you CANT READ?
I cant remember who it was but someone here once said that it seems like we've gone from "Father, Son, Holy Spirit" to -> Father Son and Holy Bible.
Holy Spirit is completely left out of the picture! And according to some people, the devil has all the power to do all the signs and wonders, he is doing things constantly, yet God's spirit? naah. He aint doing nothing today.
Needless to say, i am SALTY:
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