THE BIBLE IS REALLY THE OLD TESTAMENT. THE NEW TESTAMENT IS NOT THE BIBLE

[zone]

Good morning from Davao City, It is good to be with you once again. I mean that sincerely. This group has matured a lot of us, some need to mature more; but over all ,it has been good. I had a bad experience with a "christian" chat rm. yrs ago, I was thrown off for my faith. It was a fundamental click that hated biblical "Calvinism" and Biblical salvation. I am very thankful that this rm. has lasted so long and has, had God's grace to put up with so much"garbage",as I would label it, sorry , but this is what a debate , discussion is to be. A gracious learning, loving one another enough to put up with the "----" to get to the TRUTH of God's word.

we ought to know the truth of God's word.
is it hard?

And I have to say, the "garbage" is not all from one side. And I would admonish some ,what are you "saying" with your picture, I darn not say what I am thinking, lest I offend and get thrown out. I will, just accept them, as a joke or jest on your part.LOL. laughter is good medicine. The more we quote the Bible the better we are! All of us quote, but some don't learn, because we take it out of context, or use an inadequate version,KJV, not good scholarship and not good manuscript evidence, The NKJV (Bible) NKJB and the NASB are better. Still many people don't dig deep enough to get to the TRUTH.

okay.

OBADIAH, you don't accept the N.T. and so you twist it, but you quote it, only to your liking.???

apparently.
is that cool? or no.

Zone, You play God,

serious
mkay.

Zone, You play God as do so many fundamentals, with their miss quotes,

you mean fundamentalists?
i'm not a fundamentalist. lol.

do you know what the fundamentalists taught?
they're a rarity today.

I may be wrong, but, I think you are "Reformed", something.

ya, you're wrong.

so what was it you wanted?

Although, I hate the carnal christianity of Dallas Theo Sem. Charles Rylre ? said this, "call yourselves Biblical theologians". I myself am part of all groups. I am electric , I see truth where ever it comes from.

wow. you're electric?

super.

does ACDC help with 'seeing truth wherever it comes from'?

or whatever.

and ,OBADIAH I was part of elect of God, from before the foundations of the world,earth. 2thess 2:13 ".. God chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth," God has chosen "Sheep" all over the earth. No mater what anyone would say, "God said it , that settles it" I will check in , later. God bless you all. Hoffco

k.....take it easy.
unplug now and then bud.

LOL

 

[Hoffco]

.LOL, so, the jokes on me. Your welcome and thanks ., brother Zone, I think I meant "electic",OR "eclectic"; but thanks for the correction. Spell check is limited in its help. I have been rejected by all the churches that I have tried to be licensed with. At, age 70, I real don't care to try anymore, God has called me to my ministry, saving lost souls , and I know,, only Jesus saves, BUT, really .it is also true "...Be saved from this perverse generation" acts 2:40 a clearer,better verse is in 1Tim.4:16 "Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine, Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you." My thanks to all, "no man is an island" Hoffco

 

[OBADIAH777]

dude get real.
hit restart.

i dunno where you got your fake gospel or whatever it is....a tract of some kind?

question #1:

is salvation by race?

is salvation by race ? of course not. thats preposterous. the second fruit will be drawn out of every nationality on earth

 

[OBADIAH777]

nah...i'm good to go.

question #2:

were you in Palestine 2000 years ago?

[hint - if you were, Jesus found you - for He was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...He found them. they were not lost geographically]

i may have been. there is such a thing as reincarnation you know

 

[OBADIAH777]

Good morning from Davao City, It is good to be with you once again. I mean that sincerely. This group has matured a lot of us, some need to mature more; but over all ,it has been good. I had a bad experience with a "christian" chat rm. yrs ago, I was thrown off for my faith. It was a fundamental click that hated biblical "Calvinism" and Biblical salvation. I am very thankful that this rm. has lasted so long and has, had God's grace to put up with so much"garbage",as I would label it, sorry , but this is what a debate , discussion is to be. A gracious learning, loving one another enough to put up with the "----" to get to the TRUTH of God's word. And I have to say, the "garbage" is not all from one side. And I would admonish some ,what are you "saying" with your picture, I darn not say what I am thinking, lest I offend and get thrown out. I will, just accept them, as a joke or jest on your part.LOL. laughter is good medicine. The more we quote the Bible the better we are! All of us quote, but some don't learn, because we take it out of context, or use an inadequate version,KJV, not good scholarship and not good manuscript evidence, The NKJV (Bible) NKJB and the NASB are better. Still many people don't dig deep enough to get to the TRUTH. OBADIAH, you don't accept the N.T. and so you twist it, but you quote it, only to your liking.??? Zone, You play God, as do so many fundamentals, with their miss quotes, I may be wrong, but, I think you are "Reformed", something. Although, I hate the carnal christianity of Dallas Theo Sem. Charles Rylre ? said this, "call yourselves Biblical theologians". I myself am part of all groups. I am electric , I see truth where ever it comes from. and ,OBADIAH I was part of elect of God, from before the foundations of the world,earth. 2thess 2:13 ".. God chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth," God has chosen "Sheep" all over the earth. No mater what anyone would say, "God said it , that settles it" I will check in , later. God bless you all. Hoffco

i accept the new testament. all am saying is that the new testament is not the meat and potatoes.

 

[Hoffco]

I am not good at using this site to the best of its ability; I just lost a private message from one of you, by not knowing how to open it. sorry. Please send it again,see if I can learn how to work this site and my pc. My tec. is coming soon to upgrade my PC. Sorry, OBADIAH, I can not accept the claim that you accept the N.T. for what it really is: the final and best revelation from God, until the rapture. God is done writing His Word, but,I am sure God speaks to our soul/spirit ,and at times ,even, in a spoken word to our ears, But , if I hear a voice, I would not trust it ,if it brakes God's written word. We must remember, when men reject God's clear word, God sends them a deceitful spirit of the devil , to believe a lie. This is characteristic of this apostate age . that is why my book is called THE CULT OF BIBLE BIBIEVING FUNDAMENTALISM . The late Jerry Falwell was one of them. Need to go, I have a work project going on outside, and it is hotter,by the min.. Hoffco

 

[Reformedjason]

Without the New Testament you do not have completion. You do not have Jesus , I for one am glad we have the New Testament , and the new covenant in Jesus blood. You can say we don't all you want. I just hope the truth comes to you and it sets you free of this bondage and confusion.

 

[Mammachickadee]

So what about all the people who were justified before the New Testament because of their faith in God's promise to send a Messiah... a way out of bondage to sin?

 

[Mammachickadee]

Correction. A fundamental part of Jewish and Muslim history is the Pentateuch... the first five books of the Old Testament. They were together and considered the Bible long before anything else was added.

 

[Mammachickadee]

Without the New Testament you do not have completion. You do not have Jesus , I for one am glad we have the New Testament , and the new covenant in Jesus blood. You can say we don't all you want. I just hope the truth comes to you and it sets you free of this bondage and confusion.

If you try witnessing to a Muslim from the New Testament he won't listen. You have to prove through the Old Testament that the Messiah was Christ. Muslim's only believe in the canonicity of the Pentateuch, Psalms, and a few other Old Testament books... so to say that without the New Testament you don't have Christ is thankfully false. I must agree, though, that the greatest meat of the fundamentals is supported primarily in the Old Testament.

 

[retro]

is salvation by race ? of course not. thats preposterous. the second fruit will be drawn out of every nationality on earth

Matt 15.24

I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Matt 10.5

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions
6
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel


John 20.21

As the father has sent me l am sending you


Luke 19.9

Jesus said to him,today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a son of Abraham


Not so preposterous .Jesus came for one people sifted among the nations.

Amos 9.9

For l will give the command and shake the house of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve,yet not the least grain shall fall upon the earth

 

[PrayerWarrior]

You're mistaken. Jesus fulfilled the law. Under a new covenant relied on grace because of the cross is enough payment for our sin.

 

[RedTent]

Without the New Testament you do not have completion. You do not have Jesus , I for one am glad we have the New Testament , and the new covenant in Jesus blood. You can say we don't all you want. I just hope the truth comes to you and it sets you free of this bondage and confusion.

When God talks of bondage, it is bondage to sin. A wonderful example of that is a bondage to nicotine. Confusion, in Gods eyes, happens when we live outside the order of God's ways. There are many, many new covenants in the bible, and the last one is usually the one you speak of when you say new covenant. It made the covenants that had to do with blood that was only a symbol of Christ's blood obsolete, and it made the temple and priest obsolete as Christ was used. We are to read and learn from these obsolete things, they weren't cancelled. Only the use of them was cancelled. You need more study, you really do. You have wonderful truth, but you are stopping before you get to the background for that truth, and you need that, too.

 

[Reformedjason]

When God talks of bondage, it is bondage to sin. A wonderful example of that is a bondage to nicotine. Confusion, in Gods eyes, happens when we live outside the order of God's ways. There are many, many new covenants in the bible, and the last one is usually the one you speak of when you say new covenant. It made the covenants that had to do with blood that was only a symbol of Christ's blood obsolete, and it made the temple and priest obsolete as Christ was used. We are to read and learn from these obsolete things, they weren't cancelled. Only the use of them was cancelled. You need more study, you really do. You have wonderful truth, but you are stopping before you get to the background for that truth, and you need that, too.

I was speaking of this dude that started this thread. He is in the bondage of his beliefs. I agree with you on the study of the old things , the obsolete things if you will.

 

[Mammachickadee]

I agree with you on the study of the old things , the obsolete things if you will.

Are you, by any chance, a dispensationalist?

 

[Hoffco]

OBADIAH, Do you believe in reincarnation? I have to be really up front with you. sorry, I can not believe that anyone, as far from the Bible as you are, is a christian. You must chose the Bible over all other religions, or forget it. I am afraid, you are an enemy of the truth, guided by Satan's demons. Now, I don't mind debating the Bible with you, I might be God's means to bring you to salvation, But I don't want to misled any young Christian in here ,that I think you are saved. No one who is honestly seeking God, can came up with the garbage you teach. The Bible is not that confusing. It is my opinion, that you should not be allow to stay on this chat rm, because you are of the Devil, the Father of lies. If you ,stop teach the devils lies, and honestly seek God, then I would say you should stay. I must be up front, as I have been , as you all know, I believe most christians are lost, of the devil also, Most Bible preachers, I know, are saved but are led by satan in their false gospel,"faith only". Sorry, this is where i stand, In Christ , chosen by eternal love, Hoffco

 

[NiceneCreed]

we ought to know the truth of God's word.
is it hard?



okay.



apparently.
is that cool? or no.



serious
mkay.




you mean fundamentalists?
i'm not a fundamentalist. lol.

do you know what the fundamentalists taught?
they're a rarity today.



ya, you're wrong.

so what was it you wanted?



wow. you're electric?

super.

does ACDC help with 'seeing truth wherever it comes from'?

or whatever.



k.....take it easy.
unplug now and then bud.

LOL

You're just wrong! LOL

 

[OBADIAH777]

So what about all the people who were justified before the New Testament because of their faith in God's promise to send a Messiah... a way out of bondage to sin?

>>> matthew 27 vs 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[OBADIAH777]

Without the New Testament you do not have completion. You do not have Jesus , I for one am glad we have the New Testament , and the new covenant in Jesus blood. You can say we don't all you want. I just hope the truth comes to you and it sets you free of this bondage and confusion.

i think you miss-understand me. i am not saying the new testament is not valid. it is very valid. i am saying the meat and potatoes is the old testament.

 

[OBADIAH777]

Matt 15.24

I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Matt 10.5

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions
6
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel


John 20.21

As the father has sent me l am sending you


Luke 19.9

Jesus said to him,today salvation has come to this house because this man too is a son of Abraham


Not so preposterous .Jesus came for one people sifted among the nations.

Amos 9.9

For l will give the command and shake the house of Israel among all the nations as grain is shaken in a sieve,yet not the least grain shall fall upon the earth

revelation 7 vs 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;