The Biblical Truth About Hell & How Yeshua (Joshua) Became Jesus (Learn the Hebrew origin of our Lord's teaching & our "Christianity" )

[OstrichSmiling]

I think God speaks to people all the time. Sometimes with the beauty of a sunrise they just awoke to witness blazing to life just outside their picture window. Sometimes in the curl of a giant ocean wave that carries deep sea shells to our feet. So that we can then stare in wonder at those things in all of creation that are majestic one of a kind wonders not made by human hands.

But he doesn't stop there. In the quiet stillness of a moonless night crickets, and frogs in concert, night birds singing on a breeze that moves hand tuned wind chimes to sound perfectly while a Bible reader reclines on their deck. Or, when on the web that electronically connects the world he taps us on the shoulder as we tap away at the keys. And therein points to a post, a line of text, a sentence or paragraph, that sounds so much like someone else does. And yet a different name takes credit for hoping to levy dismissal and insult to the Jewish roots of Messiah. For whom I am eternally grateful. Knowing had it not been first in the prohpesied in Torah, there would not be a Christian so named and after his earthly mission, alive today. Because over 2000 years ago a God infused Hebrew baby survived a murder campaign that sought him out for execution due to his birth foretold. And he was born under a sacred ordained heavenly plan to come alive, preach truth, and die to save the world.

I wonder how many Antisemitic harmony chorused together under different names is resonating the same chorus across the world while they then invoke the name of Jesus. Do they realize their fabrication fools no one? Not even God. That their Antisemitic bigotry on public display anywhere at all shows proof of two things. They need saving. Because they are not so.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have not seen one single post from an anti-Semite in this thread

not one single one

of course, that is the famous Red Herring response in this type of thread

it seems the 'connect the dots' o meter might be broken

 

[OstrichSmiling]

The source of meter inspection duly noted.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

"To wrench Jesus out of his Jewish world destroys Jesus and destroys Christianity, the religion that grew out of his teachings. Even Jesus’ most familiar role as Christ is a Jewish role. If Christians leave the concrete realities of Jesus’ life and of the history of Israel in favor of a mythic, universal, spiritual Jesus and an otherworldly kingdom of God, they deny their origins in Israel, their history, and the God who has loved and protected Israel and the church. They cease to interpret the actual Jesus sent by God and remake him in their own image and likeness. The dangers are obvious. If Christians violently wrench Jesus out of his natural, ethnic and historical place within the people of Israel, they open the way to doing equal violence to Israel, the place and people of Jesus. This is a lesson of history that haunts us all at the end of the 20th century. "
Source: Bible History Daily -
Was Jesus a Jew?
Discovering the Jewish Jesus
Biblical Archaeology Society Staff • 08/10/2017

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The source of meter inspection duly noted.

vice versa I'm sure

why introduce anti Semitism in a thread wherein no one has made mention of it other than you?

that is a giveaway regarding your biased and less than truthful responses

what is the purpose of this thread?

to insult those who do not worship on Saturday?

why didn't you just say so in the first place

 

[OstrichSmiling]

I'm quite tired of weak personal attackers calling me a liar repeatedly when they're confronted with their own indefensible unapologetic ignorance and hate speech.
Though I will say, God does allow us to witness what fangs lurk under threadbare woolen disguises. For that as his servant I can endure.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm quite tired of weak personal attackers calling me a liar repeatedly when they're confronted with their own indefensible unapologetic ignorance and hate speech.
Though I will say, God does allow us to witness what fangs lurk under threadbare woolen disguises. For that as his servant I can endure.

yet you are the one who created the actual personal attack

who has called you a liar?

please quote the post wherein you were called a liar

I do not think you speak for God considering the twisting you create of the words of other posters

you endure the misappropriation of your own misdirection of the posts of other people and not any sort of scorn or attack

 

[7seasrekeyed]

8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forcesd ? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you. Galatians 4


the effort to return to pre NT Judaisim is well addressed by Paul in the book of Galatians

I understand that some may interpret what write as a personal attack. that's fine

however, deliberately twisting what I or another poster may write and then referring to oneself as some kind of martyr is beyond what may be considered worth entertaining

 

[OstrichSmiling]

If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't Christians Jewish?
Question: "If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't Christians Jewish?"

Answer: If Jesus was a Jew, why is it that Christians don’t follow Judaism? The Laws of Judaism were given to Moses for the children of Israel in a very sacred and special covenant at Mount Sinai and recorded for us in the book of Exodus. In this covenant, God wrote His laws on tablets of stone, and Israel was commanded to be obedient to all that was revealed to them. But this wonderful covenant was only a picture of a New and better covenant that God would one day give to His people, both Jew and Gentile.

This new covenant is recorded for us in Jeremiah 31:31-34, “‘The time is coming,’ declares the LORD, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,’ declares the LORD. ‘This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,’ declares the LORD. ‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, “Know the LORD,” because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,’ declares the LORD. ‘For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’”

Christians don’t follow Judaism today because the Mosaic covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17). And the writer to the Hebrews wrote, “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear” (Hebrews 8:13).

As Christians we don’t need to follow the old covenant any longer because that old covenant has been replaced. We now have a better covenant, with a better sacrifice, administered by a better High Priest! “Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful” (Hebrews 10:19-23).

Recommended Resource: The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, Updated Edition by Alfred Edersheim


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[trofimus]

If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't Christians Jewish?
Question: "If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't Christians Jewish?"

Answer: If Jesus was a Jew, why is it that Christians don’t follow Judaism? The Laws of Judaism were given to Moses for the children of Israel in a very sacred and special covenant at Mount Sinai and recorded for us in the book of Exodus. In this covenant, God wrote His laws on tablets of stone, and Israel was commanded to be obedient to all that was revealed to them. But this wonderful covenant was only a picture of a New and better covenant that God would one day give to His people, both Jew and Gentile.

This new covenant is recorded for us in Jeremiah 31:31-34, “‘The time is coming,’ declares the LORD, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,’ declares the LORD. ‘This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time,’ declares the LORD. ‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, “Know the LORD,” because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,’ declares the LORD. ‘For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’”

Christians don’t follow Judaism today because the Mosaic covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17). And the writer to the Hebrews wrote, “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear” (Hebrews 8:13).

As Christians we don’t need to follow the old covenant any longer because that old covenant has been replaced. We now have a better covenant, with a better sacrifice, administered by a better High Priest! “Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful” (Hebrews 10:19-23).

Recommended Resource: The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, Updated Edition by Alfred Edersheim


Shared with permission

I do not think that the Law of Moses, prophets etc are judaism.

Judaism is a way Jews invented after that and outside of that. Moses, Abraham, David, John the Baptist, Jesus were not judaists.

Also, huge part of today's Judaism was invented after the temple was destroyed and Jews expelled from Palestine. Its a kind of "emergency theology" and lifestyle invented after all basics of their belief were gone.

So, we should clearly distinguish. This is not what Moses or David looked like:

 

[OstrichSmiling]

I do not think that the Law of Moses, prophets etc are judaism.

Judaism is a way Jews invented after that and outside of that. Moses, Abraham, David, John the Baptist, Jesus were not judaists.

Also, huge part of today's Judaism was invented after the temple was destroyed and Jews expelled from Palestine. Its a kind of "emergency theology" and lifestyle invented after all basics of their belief were gone.

So, we should clearly distingush. This is not what Moses looked like:

No one here ever said that is the image of Moses.

We're speaking of first century Yeshua and Judaism.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If Jesus was a Jew, why aren't Christians Jewish?

Because Jesus isn't Jewish; he was Jewish. We follow a living GOD, not a dead one. Being a Jew depended upon bloodline. Jesus now has no blood, except what was spilled in death.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Because Jesus isn't Jewish; he was Jewish. We follow a living GOD, not a dead one. Being a Jew depended upon bloodline. Jesus now has no blood, except what was spilled in death.

Very good!
Please read the title of this thread to understand the thread topic itself.

 

[trofimus]

No one here ever said that is the image of Moses.

We're speaking of first century Yeshua and Judaism.

Ooook then... the question is, if the first century Judaism as divided into Saducean and Pharisean main sects, with some minor ones like Essenes are a better example and can be identified with to be a true Jew.

 

[trofimus]

Because Jesus isn't Jewish; he was Jewish. We follow a living GOD, not a dead one. Being a Jew depended upon bloodline. Jesus now has no blood, except what was spilled in death.

This is certainly a way of how to look at it. As Paul said "if we knew Christ according to body, now we do not know Him this way". Christianity is the actual way of being a true Jew.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Ooook then... the question is, if the first century Judaism as divided into Saducean and Pharisean main sects, with some minor ones like Essenes are a better example and can be identified with to be a true Jew.

I can't assist with an answer to your question. The animus for Judaism among the, thank God, minor number of persons in this community would that those one's would answer so as to better understand their condition.

 

[trofimus]

I can't assist with an answer to your question. The animus for Judaism among the, thank God, minor number of persons in this community would that those one's would answer so as to better understand their condition.

I see no "animus" in stating rhetorical questions or clarifying that lifestyle of Jews in this or that era is neither the Law of Moses nor a sign of true Jewishness.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

I see no "animus" in stating rhetorical questions or clarifying that lifestyle of Jews in this or that era is neither the Law of Moses nor a sign of true Jewishness.

Anyone who mocks, condemns, disparages, Judaism, Jews, and particularly the time of Christ and the line and purpose for which he was born, as prophesied in the Torah being Messiah, is condemning Jesus' earthly history and ministry and purpose.
One cannot extricate their version of "Jesus", while telling others to run should anyone use his Hebrew name, from the Biblical record in the old testament where he was referred to multiple times. And then argue they're reverential toward the Greek translation name of Yeshua to the same Jesus that is described in the new testament.
The faction that wishes to distance itself from the Hebrew origin of Messiah is errant. And it cannot move forward thinking to wrap the new testament about itself and call itself saved by the Messiah who's origins by God's will they despise and denigrate.

 

[trofimus]

Anyone who mocks, condemns, disparages, Judaism, Jews, and particularly the time of Christ and the line and purpose for which he was born, as prophesied in the Torah being Messiah, is condemning Jesus' earthly history and ministry and purpose.

Even if its the same what Jesus was saying about Jews, "Judaism" and particulary about the time which He lived in?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Anyone who mocks, condemns, disparages, Judaism, Jews, and particularly the time of Christ and the line and purpose for which he was born, as prophesied in the Torah being Messiah, is condemning Jesus' earthly history and ministry and purpose.
One cannot extricate their version of "Jesus", while telling others to run should anyone use his Hebrew name, from the Biblical record in the old testament where he was referred to multiple times. And then argue they're reverential toward the Greek translation name of Yeshua to the same Jesus that is described in the new testament.
The faction that wishes to distance itself from the Hebrew origin of Messiah is errant. And it cannot move forward thinking to wrap the new testament about itself and call itself saved by the Messiah who's origins by God's will they despise and denigrate.

The mods here really should give you a warning for your slander. It's getting old.