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OstrichSmiling

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That is correct....christianity is in confusion because they have 'cut themselves off from the Roots/Foundation Rom 11(v18). (not meaning Hebrew roots)
How long does a 'cut flower last ? not eternally ! they have fashioned themselves a new christ coming from Rome who is NOT the same yesterday, today and forever from Nazareth....speaking only His Words but NOT DOING what He says Lk 6v46. Yashua warned against being deceived !
It's Christian Anti-Semitism. Call it what it is because it has been extant for generations.
One can even go back to Marcion, who defined what we call today, Biblical Canon, to find that divorcement from Judaism.


How the Church Divorced Itself From Its Jewish Roots
Posted on 05/21/2014 by Natan Lawrence
From A.D. 70 to A.D. 135—How the Church Became Divorced From Its Hebraic Roots
What is called Christianity today in many ways is very dissimilar, and in many respects, outright antagonistic to the religion of the first-century, Book of Acts believers. How did this come to be? (continued at link)


What is the Jewish Roots movement?
The Hebraic Roots or Jewish Roots movement refers to various organizations with a common emphasis on recovering the original Jewishness of Christianity. This recovery comes through studying the Bible in its Jewish context, observing the Torah, keeping the Sabbath and festivals, avoiding the “paganism” of Christianity, affirming the existence of original Hebrew language gospels and, in some cases, denigrating the Greek text of the New Testament. Writers such as Roy Blizzard, David Bivin, Brad Young and Robert Lindsay have given much impetus to this movement. (continued at link)


Before the goading starts I'll state outright I am not Jewish or Hebraic Roots. What is being denigrated far too often among , thank God, a very few people in community here is the historic Jewish origin of Yeshua. Jesus the Christ. Extricating the Christian's Jesus from the Torah. Disparaging his Hebrew name, Yeshua, etc...
No Christian can revere the Savior of the world and cast aspersions on the Hebrew prophecy that he fulfilled as the arrived Messiah.
There are those who do hope to do that however.
 

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The mods here really should give you a warning for your slander. It's getting old.
I'd hope the moderators would reign in those who are openly hostile to Judaism. It isn't slander to recognize that sin. It is slander to be openly hostile toward Judaism and Jesus' Jewish history and then call people who point to that as a grave sin, slanderers. Because that makes such persons liars too.
 
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I'd hope the moderators would reign in those who are openly hostile to Judaism. It isn't slander to recognize that sin. It is slander to be openly hostile toward Judaism and Jesus' Jewish history and then call people who point to that as a grave sin, slanderers. Because that makes such persons liars too.
Judaism isn't Christianity. I'm going to begin reporting every post in which you slander those who don't agree with you. I encourage others to do the same.
 
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Anyone who mocks, condemns, disparages, Judaism, Jews, and particularly the time of Christ and the line and purpose for which he was born, as prophesied in the Torah being Messiah, is condemning Jesus' earthly history and ministry and purpose.
One cannot extricate their version of "Jesus", while telling others to run should anyone use his Hebrew name, from the Biblical record in the old testament where he was referred to multiple times. And then argue they're reverential toward the Greek translation name of Yeshua to the same Jesus that is described in the new testament.
The faction that wishes to distance itself from the Hebrew origin of Messiah is errant. And it cannot move forward thinking to wrap the new testament about itself and call itself saved by the Messiah who's origins by God's will they despise and denigrate.

no one has done this here.

your constant disparaging of Christians on this site is the actual animus

further, you do not seem able to make a point about your beliefs without lying about what others here state

you have utterly fabricated supposed attacks against Jewish people

this type of tactic is not uncommon for those who actually have no way to back up what they say without resorting to ad hominem attacks against those who do not 'obey' them

to put it bluntly, your posts are making alot of noise about nothing at all

the only we are disagreeing with are your Sabbath day preaching and your copy/pastes from sites that you follow
 
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Judaism isn't Christianity. I'm going to begin reporting every post in which you slander those who don't agree with you. I encourage others to do the same.

it should be reported

she does not seem to have any idea of what is true here

constantly attacking both the forum and forum members when not one single thing has been said that can even be vaguely contrued as anti-Semite

it's annoying but also not in the least factual
 
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I'd hope the moderators would reign in those who are openly hostile to Judaism. It isn't slander to recognize that sin. It is slander to be openly hostile toward Judaism and Jesus' Jewish history and then call people who point to that as a grave sin, slanderers. Because that makes such persons liars too.
you live in your own world

no one has said one single thing that is against the Jewish people or is anti-Semite in any way

as it is, I happen to know that the people who are disagreeing with your 'posts' are actually pro Israel as am I

you need a reality check
 

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How did Jesus view the Old Testament?
Josh McDowell Ministry

We could cite many reasons for the Old Testament being God’s Word, but the strongest argument comes from the Lord Jesus himself. As God in human flesh, Jesus speaks with final authority. And his testimony regarding the Old Testament is loud and clear.

Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18).

When dealing with the people of his day, whether it was with the disciples or religious rulers, Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament: ‘Have you not read that which was spoken to you by God?’ (Matthew 22:31); ‘Yea; and have you never read, “Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babes thou has prepared praise for thyself”?’ (Matthew 21:16, citing Psalm 8:2); and ‘Have you not read what David did?’ (Matthew 12:3). Examples could be multiplied to demonstrate that Jesus was conversant with the Old Testament and its content. He quoted from it often and he trusted it totally.

Throughout the Gospels, we find Jesus confirming many of the accounts in the Old Testament, such as the destruction of Sodom and the death of Lot’s wife (Luke 17:29, 32) the murder of Abel by his brother Cain (Luke 11:51), the calling of Moses (Mark 12:26), and the manna given in the wilderness (John 6:31–51).

The list of examples goes on, and the evidence is clear: Jesus saw the Old Testament as being God’s Word, and his attitude toward it was nothing less than total trust. Many people want to accept Jesus, yet they reject a large portion of the Old Testament. Either Jesus knew what he was talking about, or he didn’t. If a person believes in Jesus Christ, he should be consistent and believe that the Old Testament and its accounts are correct.
 

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with permission)
Jesus in the Old Testament
By Walter C. Kaiser, Jr., Ph.D., Gordon Conwell University
President Emeritus

There is no finer teacher on whether Jesus is to be found in the pages of the Old Testament than the teaching of our Lord Jesus himself.

He it was who said in John 5:39, “You [Jewish people] diligently study the Scriptures [which at that time were the 39 books of the Tanak/Old Testament].... These are the Scriptures that testify about me.” That should settle the question.

But even more famously, Jesus rebuked Cleopas, and that other unnamed disciple, as they walked along the road to Emmaus on that first Easter Sunday, “How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, [Jesus] explained to them what was said in all the [Old Testament] Scriptures concerning himself” (Luke 24:25-27).

Even King David predicted the resurrection of Jesus back in 1000 B.C. as he, too, saw what was ahead, namely, that Jesus would not be “abandon[ed] ... to the grave, nor [would he] let his Holy One see decay” (Ps 16:8-11; Acts 2:30-31). Therefore, it is not unexpected that we, too, should find Jesus present in the events and the predictions found in the Old Testament.

It is only right that we should find that Jesus was both actually present in the Old Testament and accurately predicted, and that he would come first as our Savior, and then in a later second coming, would appear as the King supreme over all the earth. Such an unusual state of affairs is possible because he was, he is and he is the One to come. But sad to say, all too many miss both his real presence in the Old Testament narrative and the numerous predictions of both his first and second advents/comings. To remedy this, let us turn first to those places where he appeared in a Christophany in the Old Testament times. Then we will sample some of the numerous predictions of his comings.


Old Testament Appearances of Christ
Jesus is first seen in the Old Testament as the person who appeared as “the Angel of the Lord” in his sudden confrontation with Sarah’s maidservant, Hagar (Gen 16:7). Thereafter, he continued to appear intermittently throughout the earlier books of the Old Testament. These real occurrences, initiated by God, were characterized by the fact that they were convincing revelations of his person and work, as much as they were also transitory, fleeting, but audible and clearly visible appearances. He came temporally in the form of a human, much before his final incarnation as a babe in Bethlehem, yet this same “Angel of the LORD” is called and is addressed often as “the LORD/Yahweh” himself (Gen 12:7; 17:1; 19:1; etc.).

This “Angel of the LORD” was a title that stood for his office, but it did not describe his nature. The Hebrew word for “angel” (mal’ak) had the basic idea of one who was “sent,” a “messenger.” Of the 214 usages of the Hebrew term used for “angel,” about one-third of them refer to what is labeled by theologians as a “Christophany,” a temporary appearance of Christ in the Old Testament. It is certain, however, that this special angel of the Lord is divine, for Hagar “...gave this name to the LORD, who spoke with her [as the Angel of the LORD]: ‘You are the God who sees me,’ as she observed, ‘I have now seen the One who sees me’” (Gen 16:13). 1

Other instances of Jesus’ appearances in the Old Testament can be seen representatively in Genesis 22:11, 15, where it was the Angel of Yahweh who spoke from heaven to Abraham when Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac, and stopped him from proceeding. Again, it was the Angel of Yahweh who appeared to Moses in the flame of fire in Exodus 3:2. Throughout the dialogue at that burning bush, it was also declared that he was no one less than “Yahweh,” who spoke at that time, causing Moses to hide his face from him (Ex 3:6).

Later, it was the same Angel of the Lord who appeared to the wife of Manoah (Judges 13:2-25), mother of Samson, whom she reported to her husband was indeed a “man of God” that had appeared to her. When Manoah asked for the “Angel of the LORD” to also appear to him as he had appeared to his wife, the Angel repeated the appearances and his conversations to him, after which he ascended in the flame of the altar (Judg 13:20), implying the sacrifice was in worship of the Lord himself! Moreover, this “Angel” is regarded as a “Redeemer,” who saves Israel from evil (Isa 63:9).

How can readers of the Old Testament doubt that these sample instances, along with a host of other such descriptions in the earlier Scriptures, were anything less than preincarnate appearances of our Lord Jesus in real flesh, even if it was in those days only a temporary infleshment/incarnation for the immediate needs of the people until he would come and take on flesh permanently? Oftentimes Jesus came to earth to help his people in their distress and their need for direction. The only examples of the Angel of Yahweh turning against Israel occur in 2 Samuel 24 and 1 Chronicles 21, where the Angel is the agent of God’s punishment of David, because he disobeyed God and conducted a national census.


(Continues below)
 

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(Continues) Old Testament Predictions of the Coming Messiah
In addition to the real presence of Jesus as the Angel of the Lord/God, J. Barton Payne2 listed some 574 verses in the Old Testament that had direct personal messianic foretellings. Payne found 127 personal messianic predictions involving some, 348 verses that had any or all types of real and typological prophecies of Jesus’ first or second coming. This number was exceeded only by Alfred Edersheim,3 who noted that in some 558 rabbinic writings in pre-Christian times, there were some 456 separate Old Testament/Tanak passages used to refer to the Messiah or to messianic times!

In my own book, The Messiah in the Old Testament,4 I was able to identify 65 direct predictions of Jesus’ comings in the Old Testament. Few will dispute that there are at least six direct Messianic predictions in the Pentateuch: Genesis 3:15; 9:27; 12:2-3; 49:8-12; Numbers 24:15-19; and Deuteronomy 18:15-18.

Eve was promised in Genesis 3:15 that a male descendant from her line would crush the head of the serpent, i.e., the Devil himself, and win completely over evil, as the prince of evil, Satan, would be finally vanquished. Then in Genesis 9:27, God would come and live/dwell in the tents of Shem, the Semitic peoples. But which one of the Semites did God intend: the Arabs or the Jewish people? Abraham settled that question, for God called him to go from Ur of Mesopotamia to Israel, and he was to be a blessing for all the nations on earth in Genesis 12:3.

This promise could be narrowed down even further for the tribe of Judah. Son number four of Jacob would be the one God would invest with the scepter of ruling and the one from whom the line of Messiah would descend (Gen 49:8-12). In fact, this coming one from Judah would be “A star [that would] come out of Jacob, a scepter [that would] rise out of Israel” (Num 24:17). Moreover, the Messiah who would come would also be a “prophet” (Deut 18:15) as well as a “king” (Ps 72).

If the book of Job is to be placed in the period of the patriarchs (c. 2100 – 1800), as we believe he is to be placed, then there are four texts in Job that should be added to the six in the Pentateuch. There Messiah is called an “angel” and a “Mediator” (Job 33:23-28).

Add to these 10 direct Messianic prophecies another five from the times both prior to and during the Davidic period. He is seen as the “Anointed” one in 1 Samuel 2:1-10 and the “faithful Priest” in 1 Samuel 2:35-36. But the most outstanding text by far is the Davidic Covenant text found in 2 Samuel 7 (repeated in 1 Chron 17) and elaborated on in Psalm 132, which pointed to the dynasty/house of David as the place where God would originate his throne, dynasty and kingdom forever. The promise given to King David was so astounding that David cried out in 2 Samuel 7:19c that “This is the law/charter for [all] humanity.” In other words, God had just now conferred on David an enlargement of the promise he had originally made with the patriarchs.5

There is not enough space to relate how 11 Psalms celebrate the person and work of the coming Messiah, but even though he would be rejected (Ps 118), and betrayed (Pss 69, 109), die and be resurrected (Pss 22, 16), he would come as Conqueror and Enthroned Ruler (Pss 2, 110), as Planner and Groom (Pss 40, 45), and as Triumphant King (Pss 68, 72).

In addition to the previous 15 direct references to the coming Messiah, there are some 39 predictions of the Messiah in the Old Testament prophets. A sample of these announcements before they happened would include these facts. First, it was predicted that Messiah would be born of a virgin (Isa 7:14; cf. Mt 1:33). His birthplace would be Bethlehem (Mic 5:2; cf. Mt 2:1, 6), and John the Baptist would be his forerunner (Isa 40:3-5; Mal 3:1; cf. Mt 3:3, Mk 1:3; Lk 3:4-6).

It was further announced ahead of time that Messiah would enter Jerusalem [what turned out to be Palm Sunday] in Triumph as the crowd shouted “Hosanna” (Zech 9:9-10; Ps 118:25-26; cf. Mt 21:9; Mk 11:9; Lk 19:38; Jh 12:13). But in less than a week, he would be betrayed [by one of his own disciples, Judas, as it turned out] (Ps 69:25; cf. Acts 1:20).

Messiah’s side would be pierced (Zech 12:10; cf. Jh 19:37), and he would suffer vicariously for the sins of the world (Isa 53:6, 9, 12; cf. I Pt 2:21-25; Rom 4:25). Even more dramatically accurate was the fact that Jesus would be killed with the “wicked” ones (Isa 53:9a, note the plural noun in Hebrew) [as he hung between two thieves], yet he would be buried with the rich one (Isa 53:9b, note its singular form in the Hebrew).

But that was not the end of the matter for the predictions about Jesus in the Old Testament, for Messiah would return to earth a second time (Daniel 7:13; cf Mk 13:26; Lk 21:27), and he would one day rule in the city of Jerusalem as King of kings, as the nations would go up to that city to be taught in his ways, never more to “train for war anymore” (Isa 2:3-4).

As far as the case for the Messiah in the Old Testament is concerned, the relationship between the Old and New Testaments is one of strong continuity and a progressive revelation. The seminal seeds of the doctrine of the person and work of Jesus bloom and blossom in the New Testament even though the Old Testament often carried in seminal seed form much that eventually developed out of the Old. What a gracious, revealing God, and what a wonderful gift of a Savior who has come to earth once, but who is due to return once more in all his fullness and glory! [END]
 

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Let's read what the NT says about Judaism...

Acts 15:5,10
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But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Hebrews 7:17-19
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Its funny how people who want to go back to Judaism call Christians who are against that a part of "replacement theology".

Its not really replacement theology. The Lord Jesus Christ ended Judaism and started what we call now Christianity.

What has been replaced is the way to God and the way to be Gods People.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
 
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Let's read what the NT says about Judaism...

Acts 15:5,10
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But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Hebrews 7:17-19
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Its funny how people who want to go back to Judaism call Christians who are against that a part of "replacement theology".

Its not really replacement theology. The Lord Jesus Christ ended Judaism and started what we call now Christianity.

What has been replaced is the way to God and the way to be Gods People.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
right

with regards to the bold in blue of your post above, this is a new one for me in spite of so many ops here regarding the Sabbath

I mean the responses given from the op are so distorted she is making things up

and ignoring all scripture such as what you posted, that contradicts her copy/pastes
 

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Let's read what the NT says about Judaism...

Acts 15:5,10
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But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

2 Corinthians 3:6-8
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Hebrews 7:17-19
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Its funny how people who want to go back to Judaism call Christians who are against that a part of "replacement theology".

Its not really replacement theology. The Lord Jesus Christ ended Judaism and started what we call now Christianity.

What has been replaced is the way to God and the way to be Gods People.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
It's funny how people who think Christianity replaced Judaism with Christ have no idea what they're talking about.
But it is indicative of the system of replacement theology. Which is not and shall never be Biblical. The above scriptures out of context not evidence at all that it is.

Jesus Christ ended Judaism? That's news to God.
 

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Yeah. Only Sabbatarians and Hebrew Roots enthusiasts understand Christ! Beta, you need to go back to Alpha and start understanding the Bible properly. Yeshua is now the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you understand what that means?
Yes. That you deny what is actually written.
Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.


John 1:9The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own,[b] and his own people[c] did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son[d] from the Father, full of grace and truth.



Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
 

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Matthew 5:17: “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them.”

Those who think Jesus abolished Judaism and replaced it with Christianity should read this article but unfortunately they won't because it teaches too much.

Did Jesus break with Judaism and the Torah?
 

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And lastly, but not finally :p, who among those blessed to hear the call to eternal grace can forget Yeshua's sermon on the mountain? Notice if you will verse 47. ;) He abolished Judaism? Why did God arrive to save the world in a part of the world and among a family that was .....Jewish?
Matthew 5
 
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It's funny how people who think Christianity replaced Judaism with Christ have no idea what they're talking about.
But it is indicative of the system of replacement theology. Which is not and shall never be Biblical. The above scriptures out of context not evidence at all that it is.

Jesus Christ ended Judaism? That's news to God.

actually, the sacrifice of Christ on the cross REPLACED the OT system of sacrifice and covenant at Mt Sinai a

this system was only in place until the time Christ entered the world

by one man sin entered the world and one by one man, Christ Jesus, a way was made for our sins to be forgiven

animal blood never washed away sins. only the blood of Christ cleanses from all sin Hebrews 10:4

this did not replace Judaism but paved the way for 'whosoever will' of John 3:16

Israel is still a people chosen by God but at the moment they do not recognize their Messiah has already come but the Bible records that they will look upon the One they pierced Zech. 12:10, and they will mourn

the rest is your imagination and false at that
 

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Galatians 3:29
"And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."

"Coffman's Commentaries on the Bible
And if ye are Christ's then are ye Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise.
This is not merely a continuation of the argument Paul has been making, but it is continued into Galatians 4. The true seed of Abraham (in the plural sense) are all of those who, believing the gospel, have been baptized into Christ, comprising in their corporate totality the seed singular which is Christ, in the sense of his spiritual body. This enabled the Gentiles to be accounted the true seed of Abraham, bypassing the Law of Moses altogether, thus inheriting through the promise to Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 18:18; 22:18).
Huxtable has this pertinent observation on this final verse of the chapter:

Those who believe in Christ and are baptized in him are to be understood as here being affirmed to be "Abraham's seed," because, being clothed with Christ, they share his position. "Heirs ..." They are heirs, not of Abraham, but of God; for the idea connects to that of the sonship to God (Galatians 3:26), of believers in Christ." Full Reading


Genesis 12:3 (JPS Tanakh 1917)
"And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed."


Genesis 18:18"seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?"

Genesis 22:18 "and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast hearkened to My voice.' "
 

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It's funny how people who think Christianity replaced Judaism with Christ have no idea what they're talking about.
But it is indicative of the system of replacement theology. Which is not and shall never be Biblical. The above scriptures out of context not evidence at all that it is.

Jesus Christ ended Judaism? That's news to God.
Its not really news anymore.

Why do you think the jews were so intent on crucifying the Lord Jesus?

It wasn't because He was trying to correct them.

It was because He was ending their whole religion. They were pretty upset about that.


I suppose it is only news to people who don't get it yet. Maybe people who don't read the bible. Or people that put their wishful thinking ahead of facts.
 

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Its not really news anymore.

Why do you think the jews were so intent on crucifying the Lord Jesus?

It wasn't because He was trying to correct them.

It was because He was ending their whole religion. They were pretty upset about that.


I suppose it is only news to people who don't get it yet. Maybe people who don't read the bible. Or people that put their wishful thinking ahead of facts.
The same tenor as the other minor number of persons here who hope to rewrite the Bible regardless of what Christ actually had to say.
People get it. It's impossible to miss when it is so brazen and sarcastic purporting to further its agenda.

There is a minor faction of people here who hope to extricate the Jewish prophecy of Messiah from the scriptures. Their Jesus becomes a Caucasian who came to the world to establish Christianity. Because he was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Christianity.....

Did Jesus break with Judaism and the Torah?

Sisters and brothers in Christ take note, that faction will never read the article above. But if you do you will know what they are about.