The book of Job, my favorite book.

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homwardbound

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I would ask you two questions.

1. Do Orthodox Jews deny God?

2. Are Orthodox Jews saved? And if so, how?
Only my Father and the risen Son Jesus can answer that. God just loves you and everyone else too. Get past the accusing and excusing attitude please
God simply loves us all. thank you
I can not answer to anyone's choice. Everyone's choice is between God and themselves above everything else. Love from PaPa to you given through Son as risen for you too
 

tttallison

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What is your perspective of Romans 11:26, "...The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob."?
Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier.

In My Opinion the time frame is future because the eyes of the Jews have not been opened yet. This would be centered on Ezekiel 37, where the resurrection of the Jews occurs. This resurrection occurs immediately after the Millennium.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The first resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:5 are of those that reign with Christ during the Millennium. The rest of the dead occurs immediately after the Millennium and includes those dead bones of Israel.

Eze 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Do a study of Ezekiel 36-39 and compare with Revelation 20.
 

GWH

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Only my Father and the risen Son Jesus can answer that. God just loves you and everyone else too. Get past the accusing and excusing attitude please
God simply loves us all. thank you
I can not answer to anyone's choice. Everyone's choice is between God and themselves above everything else. Love from PaPa to you given through Son as risen for you too
The answer of Jesus (JN 8) and Paul (RM 10) is that anti-Christians are atheists.
 

jacko

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You are absolutely correct that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. But I do not see where these Jews are in Christ.

The first time the New Covenant is mentioned is in Jeremiah 31:31. There is no mention of Gentiles in this passage. Only the house of Judah and the house of Israel are mentioned. The Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom. This new covenant states that God will put, in Israel, his law in the inward parts, and write it in the hearts, and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This same passage is repeated in Hebrews 8:10-11.

To fully understand that this particular covenant pertains to Israel and not the Gentiles we read Romans 11:25-28.

Rom 11:25-28 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

When it says, "For this is my covenant unto them" in Romans 11:27 the "them" is referring to the blinded, unsaved Israel. This is referring to a future time after the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. At least that is what it says here in Romans 11.

Nah.. I’m sticking with the tried and true ABC ever little children know.
 

GWH

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Nah.. I’m sticking with the tried and true ABC ever little children know.
Re "The first time the New Covenant is mentioned is in Jeremiah 31:31. There is no mention of Gentiles in this passage." (ttallison)

Actually, the first time the NC is mentioned is in IS 42:6, "...I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles."

The first time the NC is implied is in GN 12:3, "...all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

And the first time the NC is foreshadowed is in GN 3:21&26, "The Lord God [shed blood and] made garments of skin for Adam and his wife... and he placed on the East side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way [Way] to the tree of life [salvation]."
 

homwardbound

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Nah.. I’m sticking with the tried and true ABC ever little children know.
for all know, what is right and what s wrong within themselves, true thank you