THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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1 Timothy 6:3-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But godliness with contentment is a great gain.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Titus 2:1 (NRSV)

[SUP]1 [/SUP]But as for you, teach what is consistent with sound doctrine.

THAT IS WHAT THEOLOGY HAS TO DO WITH THE WORD OF GOD.
Jesus taught Paul taught the word of God not theology made up of man interpretation

Have theology taught you where did the water in genesis came from in the begininng ? or when was it created ?
 
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Where does that leave you when our Bridegroom proves you were wrong?
why did God leave Israel in Egypt during the plagaues and did not take them to heaven ?
 

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Dont the Ac have joy and love also ?
Galatians 5:16-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Antichrist teaches what appeals to the FLESH, and I SEE NO JOY, NO LOVE, NO PEACE, NO PATIENCE, NO KINDNESS, NO GOODNESS, NO FAITH, NO GENTLENESS, NO SELF CONTROL, IN THOSE WHO PRACTICE AN ANTICHRIST-LIKE LIFESTYLE.

Acts 13:52 (HCSB)
[SUP]52 [/SUP] And the disciples were filled with joy and the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore, do not let your good be slandered,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

I ask again, "Why do those who DO NOT BELIEVE that Christ is coming before the Tribulation to Call Us Out, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven, NOT HAVE THE KIND OF JOY WE HAVE?"
 

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why did God leave Israel in Egypt during the plagaues and did not take them to heaven ?
BECAUSE HE is the SHOTCALLER, and not you.
 
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BECAUSE HE is the SHOTCALLER, and not you.
because it is an example for us God delivers
he kept all of them on the earth not heaven and not one plague touched them
 
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Galatians 5:16-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spiritis love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Antichrist teaches what appeals to the FLESH, and I SEE NO JOY, NO LOVE, NO PEACE, NO PATIENCE, NO KINDNESS, NO GOODNESS, NO FAITH, NO GENTLENESS, NO SELF CONTROL, IN THOSE WHO PRACTICE AN ANTICHRIST-LIKE LIFESTYLE.

Acts 13:52 (HCSB)
[SUP]52 [/SUP] And the disciples were filled with joy and the Holy Spirit.

Romans 14:16-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore, do not let your good be slandered,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

I ask again, "Why do those who DO NOT BELIEVE that Christ is coming before the Tribulation to Call Us Out, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven, NOT HAVE THE KIND OF JOY WE HAVE?"

[h=1]Luke 6:32King James Version (KJV)[/h]32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
 

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To VCO, I love your pictures. But, the rapture will not be a peaceful event, every mountain will moved and much of the earth will be burning. After, the world, and the "man of sin" gains some sense of composure, then Satan will enter into the "peace maker" and declare Himself to be God. He will have a free hand because the whole world will be so destroyed, after 3.5yrs. of reconstruction, the world will be able to joint him to battle Israel "the saints' of the most high God. Then Jesus returns ,with us, and takes over the world, for 1.000yrs. of peace. Love Hoffco
WRONG, He promised to KEEP us from THAT hour of TESTING the WHOLE WORLD.

Matthew 24:38-42 (GW)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] In the days before the flood, people were eating, drinking, and getting married until the day that Noah went into the ship.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] They were not aware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes again.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] “At that time two men will be working in the field. One will be taken, and the other one will be left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be working at a mill. One will be taken, and the other one will be left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] “Therefore, be alert, because you don't know on what day your Lord will return.

SAYING IT IS NOT BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, IS PICKING A DAY.

Luke 17:34-36 (HCSB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] I tell you, on that night two will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other will be left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Two will be in a field: One will be taken, and the other will be left.”
 

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I did not know all your position; now, I see, you think the rapture has Happened all ready.???? This is weird! ??? To think that the rapture, which will blow the world almost up, could have happened already. The rapture is an open public viewing of Christ by the world, How, could it be a "secret"?? Love Hoffco

Sounds like JW teaching to me.

PLUS they believe that Christ already returned and is spiritually invisible, because his body was vaporized. The even believe CHRIST indwells the Watchtower building keeping perfect everything that is published there. ALL THAT DISPITE WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS:


Matthew 24:26 (NIV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it.
 
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Where does that leave you when our Bridegroom proves you were wrong?
Will you be quick to apologize when you see a 7 year peace treaty brokered by Turkey happen? At what point in the Tribulation will you admit the Rapture should have happened?
 

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Jesus taught Paul taught the word of God not theology made up of man interpretation

Have theology taught you where did the water in genesis came from in the begininng ? or when was it created ?
I would almost bet you are one that does not believe the Flood of NOAH really happened.

The theology that I have been taught about CREATION, is absolutely centered on the Biblical Account of Creation.

Genesis 1:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
 

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because it is an example for us God delivers
he kept all of them on the earth not heaven and not one plague touched them
The PRIMARY PURPOSE OF Rapture is NOT to keep us safe from what happens here on earth in the TRIBULATION. The 144,000 are SEALED FROM HARM IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES AND REMAIN HERE ON EARTH. The Purpose of the Rapture is to take us to the Wedding of the Lamb, because we are the BRIDE; and the Jewish Weddings ALWAYS TAKE PLACE IN THE NEW DWELLING PLACE THAT THE BRIDEGROOM HAS TO BUILD IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.
 
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I would almost bet you are one that does not believe the Flood of NOAH really happened.

The theology that I have been taught about CREATION, is absolutely centered on the Biblical Account of Creation.

Genesis 1:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
ALMOST where in the bible does it say that it have male and female plants ?
 
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The PRIMARY PURPOSE OF Rapture is NOT to keep us safe from what happens here on earth in the TRIBULATION. The 144,000 are SEALED FROM HARM IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES AND REMAIN HERE ON EARTH. The Purpose of the Rapture is to take us to the Wedding of the Lamb, because we are the BRIDE; and the Jewish Weddings ALWAYS TAKE PLACE IN THE NEW DWELLING PLACE THAT THE BRIDEGROOM HAS TO BUILD IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.
everybody saved are sealed the mansion only comes after the 1000 years Jesus gets married then takes the saint to the dwelling

if you were following the jews you would celebrate the new year biblcally
 
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I would almost bet you are one that does not believe the Flood of NOAH really happened.

The theology that I have been taught about CREATION, is absolutely centered on the Biblical Account of Creation.

Genesis 1:1 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
you dont get it do you you say you were taught theology your theology canot tell me where the water came from or on what or when it was created God has to revel that not theology man made doctrine
 
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WRONG, He promised to KEEP us from THAT hour of TESTING the WHOLE WORLD.

Matthew 24:38-42 (GW)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] In the days before the flood, people were eating, drinking, and getting married until the day that Noah went into the ship.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] They were not aware of what was happening until the flood came and swept all of them away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes again.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] “At that time two men will be working in the field. One will be taken, and the other one will be left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be working at a mill. One will be taken, and the other one will be left.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] “Therefore, be alert, because you don't know on what day your Lord will return.

SAYING IT IS NOT BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, IS PICKING A DAY.

Luke 17:34-36 (HCSB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] I tell you, on that night two will be in one bed: One will be taken and the other will be left.
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding grain together: One will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Two will be in a field: One will be taken, and the other will be left.”
where will the elect be during that time ? why are day shorten for the elect sake ?
 

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SAYING IT IS NOT BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, IS PICKING A DAY.
Where's the logic in this? You can have a prerequisite to something happening without knowing the day.

Further, this is a false statement too.

WRONG, He promised to KEEP us from THAT hour of TESTING the WHOLE WORLD.
Only the church at Philadelphia was promised to be kept from the testing that will come.
 

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ALMOST where in the bible does it say that it have male and female plants ?
Do you not understand what the Word EVERYTHING means? HE went on in that statement to EXPLAIN that EVERYTHING included the Visible and the Invisible.

Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,


NOW, that is what GOD says about Creation, and the only question is, DO YOU BELIEVE GOD, or DO YOU BELIEVE MANKINDS so-called Educated men.

1 Corinthians 1:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;

Romans 1:18-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools,

See it? They did not glorify the CREATOR as GOD, and that verse above clearly points out that the CREATOR is the pre-incarnate CHRIST.
 

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where will the elect be during that time ? why are day shorten for the elect sake ?
Matthew 24:22 (NKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened.

First you need to understand who and what GOD's Election refers to.

GOD ELECTS to save a remnant BY GRACE. And EVEN when we choose to Receive Jesus Christ as LORD and MASTER, we do not get to pat ourselves on the back, because it is because of GOD's Election to shed HIS GRACE ON US, and the fact that a major part of that GRACE, is when then HOLY SPIRIT poured the LOVE of GOD into our hearts (Rom. 5:5), therefore our ability to Repent, CHOOSE, Submit, Obey, Serve, etc.; ALL SPAWN OUT OF HIS GRACE AND LOVE.

Those whom GOD Elected to save are made up of four groups of Saints who have all been Sanctified in the Blood of the Lamb.

They are:
Old Testament Saints
Church Age Saints
Tribulation Saints
and the 144,000 HE chose or elected to be saved in their MORTAL BODIES, who are all Isrealites, who inherit the land of Canaan, fulfilling HIS everlasting Covenant with Jacob (1 Ch. 16:17-18).


NOTICE what is happening as CHRIST comes back to SHORTEN that time:

Revelation 17:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."

WE who have already been given our white robes, (OT, Church, & Tribulation Saints) are coming from HEAVEN back to Earth WITH JESUS CHRIST. Therefore we KNOW this event is AFTER the last Tribulation Saint is beheaded, and perhaps that is when the Tribulation Saints get their resurrected glorified bodies as we return to Earth. I believe the "Armies of Heaven" include us Saints as well as Angels.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
[SUP]11 [/SUP] So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 7:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 19:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

That is one of my wife's favorite verses because she loves white horses.

THEREFORE the TIME is SHORTENED, at the END lest more are killed than was in GOD's plan.

WHICH OF THE FOUR GROUPS IS THE ONLY GROUP LEFT ALIVE WHEN HE COMES TO END THE GREAT TRIBULATION?

The 144,000 HE chose or elected to be saved in their MORTAL BODIES, who are all Isrealites.

I hope that explains it sufficiently?
 
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The only point at which I would say I was wrong would be: After Israel builds their new temple. and after the "man
of sin" brakes his peace treaty and I have to take the 666 mark of the beast; Only then, would I say, my Mid-Trib., Pre-Wrath rapture is wrong. And I must agree with Elect, that the marriage of the lamb is after the 1,000 yrs of peace, as the new Heavens and the New earth are created. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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The only point at which I would say I was wrong would be: After Israel builds their new temple. and after the "man
of sin" brakes his peace treaty and I have to take the 666 mark of the beast; Only then, would I say, my Mid-Trib., Pre-Wrath rapture is wrong. And I must agree with Elect, that the marriage of the lamb is after the 1,000 yrs of peace, as the new Heavens and the New earth are created. Love to all, Hoffco

Revelation shows the marriage supper of the lamb comes before the 1,000 years. Chapter 19 shows that the marriage supper has come, and then in chapter 20 refers to the 1,000 year period.