THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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Thanks. I was thinking about how this scoffing will come about. We are already past the point most Pre-Tribbers think we should be gone. But as things get progressively worse, these same Pre-tribbers will keep upping the volume of their doctrine telling to world that Christ will return any moment because they can't even believe He hasn't come yet. This will cause the unbeliever to scoff at them because we are still here. That is what I meant.
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I did not know all your position; now, I see, you think the rapture has Happened all ready.???? This is weird! ??? To think that the rapture, which will blow the world almost up, could have happened already. The rapture is an open public viewing of Christ by the world, How, could it be a "secret"?? Love Hoffco
 
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The "king of the north" Turkey could very well be the king of the North who opposes the peace treaty which the "man of sin , King of the South( S.A.) makes with Israel.?? The "king of the North" and her friends, will march south to destroy the peaceful Israel and the king of the South. Love to all hoffco
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No my dear friend. The Man of Sin is from Turkey and for the first time in my life such a leader in Turkey fits every description. The new President of Turkey fits everything. He is also the 12th Leader of Turkey making him appear even more fitting as 12 represents government and in this case - of Satan.
 
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I did not know all your position; now, I see, you think the rapture has Happened all ready.???? This is weird! ??? To think that the rapture, which will blow the world almost up, could have happened already. The rapture is an open public viewing of Christ by the world, How, could it be a "secret"?? Love Hoffco
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No no no. The "Rapture" has not happened. It happens at the end. I'm saying Pre-tribbers with all their movies and talk will be scoffed at because the rapture hasn't happened when they said it would. ;)
 
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To PlainWord, I do believe with you ,that the pre-tribbers are making the world scoff at the Bible, because their position is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG to any Bible scholar. Love Hoffco
 
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To PlainWord, OH, OK, LOL, I now see, you are A-Mill. NO!, YES? :rolleyes: I, mock you, sorry, but seriously, I can not respect a A-mill or no- mill. position, the Bible is so clear on the 1,000 yr. reign of Jesus on this present earth. Love Hoffco
 
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Sorry . I should have said, an A-Mill. or Post- Mill. position. My "Reform friends are all wet when it comes to eschatology, but right on about salvation by electing grace , up to a point, I hate hyper cal.. Love Hoffco
 
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Sorry, I don't wants to deceive anyone about the whole truth of GOD. I am a BIBLICAL theologian. I believe in in the whole council of GOD's word. I my theology is part "reformed". and part "dispensational" . BUT, Charles Ryrie and others did not teach correct depensationism. They missed up salvation ,worst than the Reformers ever did, but he/they were a little close to eschatology then the Reformers ever were/are. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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To VCO, I love your pictures. But, the rapture will not be a peaceful event, every mountain will moved and much of the earth will be burning. After, the world, and the "man of sin" gains some sense of composure, then Satan will enter into the "peace maker" and declare Himself to be God. He will have a free hand because the whole world will be so destroyed, after 3.5yrs. of reconstruction, the world will be able to joint him to battle Israel "the saints' of the most high God. Then Jesus returns ,with us, and takes over the world, for 1.000yrs. of peace. Love Hoffco
 
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To Popeye, the ones left behind are lost. The only ones saved after the rapture are the 144,000 Jews. No one else will repent of sins as REV. teaches us. Love Hoffco
 
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Does everyone see the lack of JOY?

Matthew 7:15-16 (ISV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheeps' clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By their fruit you will know them. Grapes aren't gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they?

Is this post made up of Grapes and figs, or is it made up of thorns and thistles?

That verse really does help us identify the false teachers, doesn't it?
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Dont the Ac have joy and love also ?
 
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Sorry, I don't wants to deceive anyone about the whole truth of GOD. I am a BIBLICAL theologian. I believe in in the whole council of GOD's word. I my theology is part "reformed". and part "dispensational" . BUT, Charles Ryrie and others did not teach correct depensationism. They missed up salvation ,worst than the Reformers ever did, but he/they were a little close to eschatology then the Reformers ever were/are. Love to all, Hoffco
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What does theology have to do with the word of God ?
 
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To Elect.Theology 101 is the study of GOD, or the study of the Word of GOD, What ? are you trying to separate GOD and His WORD from Theology? Why would you want to make a new definition of Theology? Love Hoffco
 
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To Elect.Theology 101 is the study of GOD, or the study of the Word of GOD, What ? are you trying to separate GOD and His WORD from Theology? Why would you want to make a new definition of Theology? Love Hoffco
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the study of God from man mad doctrine

may I remind you

[h=1]1 John 2:27King James Version (KJV)[/h]27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 
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To PlainWord, I do believe with you ,that the pre-tribbers are making the world scoff at the Bible, because their position is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG to any Bible scholar. Love Hoffco
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Yeah. They are doing our faith a disservice. They have convinced so many people that they are going to fly away before anything bad happens (tribulation) so that the moment tribulation happens, they stumble. The world needs strong Christians willing to stand up to evil armed with the truth, perseverance and faith.

Matthew 13:21
yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

Thank you Hoffco!!
 
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To PlainWord, OH, OK, LOL, I now see, you are A-Mill. NO!, YES? :rolleyes: I, mock you, sorry, but seriously, I can not respect a A-mill or no- mill. position, the Bible is so clear on the 1,000 yr. reign of Jesus on this present earth. Love Hoffco
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Actually my view is different. It has taken me many years of studying and reconciling scripture to come to my view. I may not be 100% right but it is the only view that seems to fit everything. Here it is:

I believe Christ returns for a 1,000 year reign after Satan's Great Tribulation. He defeats the BEAST and False religion. Christ slays 1/3 of the world (wicked part). All earthly governments are overthrown. Satanic influence is removed. Christ reigns the nations with a rod of iron under a new global Christ ordered government. All nations must come and pay homage to the Lord each year in Jerusalem. Nations that disobey, will be punished by having rain (thus food and water) withheld.

Christ returns with the Martyrs of the Tribulation and they live and reign with Him. This is the first resurrection. When Christ returns His angels are sent forth to gather the ELECT from the four corners of earth. Anybody can call on the name of the Lord even up to His coming, and be saved. The Lord destroys all evil at Armageddon and establishes His throne in Jerusalem.

The earth undergoes a transformation back to the Garden of Eden (original creation) state at the coming of the Lord. I believe something dramatic happens such as a pole shift/complete rotation or flip of the earth. This causes massive earthquakes and the sky to recede as a scroll because the atmosphere is trying to keep up. The pre-flood canopy is restored blocking aging UV rays. The 1,000 years will be peaceful and people will live to a very old and ripe age as it was pre Flood. There will be immortals and mortals on earth.

Those in heaven who were not martyred during the Tribulation remain in heaven (at rest) with God the Father for the 1,000 years which to them will seem very short, like a day. When the 1,000 earth years are up, Satan is set loose to again deceive the nations. Satan and His followers surround the Saints and Jerusalem. God the Father intervenes and just melts them on the spot.

God the Father returns to earth with the rest of the souls in heaven for the main resurrection. Those still alive in mortal bodies will be caught up to meet the Father in the "air" (1 Thes 4:13-17). These mortals will be changed in a twinkling of an eye (1 Cor 15:50-52). Now that everyone is immortal, the earth will be dissolved with fervent heat. The wicked are cast into the Lake of Fire for eternity. The New Jerusalem, the Bride of Christ will descend to the new earth. Believers enter the eternal state. There will be no more sin, no more tears. There will be no more debate on Christian Chat about what is to come;). Then you and I get to hold VCO in a headlock and give him a nookie.
 
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To Elect, I will remind you , that you are not the only "anointed" of God. There are many of us who are "anointed" in fact all Christians are "anointed", but today most are receiving the doctrine of man as the Doctrine of God's word. The "anointing and the Word of God must agree, or the Devil is filling our minds and not the Holy Spirit. Love to all Hoffco
 
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To Plain truth, you and I are almost in agreement; But one of us is wrong and maybe both of us are, probably, wrong on some parts. The fact is, it will all "PAN" out as God has planned it.:) All the saved will go up together, except the martyrs, I think.? :confused: Love Hoffco
 
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There is no other position to rest in except pretrib. Otherwise I am not even a "foolish virgin". For even the "foolish" were wise enough to at least watch and wait with the wise.
Very,very sobering to know some solid believers will be left behind due to busy mentality that resulted in the weighty matters being left undone. In older times it was referred to as intercorse with God/Jesus
Jesus,don't let me miss the rapture of your holy bride.

BTW,in the virgins parable the "I never 'knew' you" statement could be compared to the "mary 'knew' no man" (had intercorse)
all 10 virgins were pretrib LOL
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"I NEVER KNEW YOU" is a reference to the interpersonal LOVE relationship that is established when we repent, receive Him as LORD, and submit to His LORDSHIP as our MASTER.

Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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ELECT said:
What does theology have to do with the word of God ?
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1 Timothy 6:3-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] If anyone teaches other doctrine and does not agree with the sound teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the teaching that promotes godliness,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] he is conceited, understanding nothing, but has a sick interest in disputes and arguments over words. From these come envy, quarreling, slander, evil suspicions,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and constant disagreement among people whose minds are depraved and deprived of the truth, who imagine that godliness is a way to material gain.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But godliness with contentment is a great gain.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear something new.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Titus 2:1 (NRSV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]But as for you, teach what is consistent with sound doctrine.

THAT IS WHAT THEOLOGY HAS TO DO WITH THE WORD OF GOD.
 
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To PlainWord, I do believe with you ,that the pre-tribbers are making the world scoff at the Bible, because their position is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG to any Bible scholar. Love Hoffco
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Where does that leave you when our Bridegroom proves you were wrong?
 
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