Plenty of Scripture link demons to disease. The one I posted for instance.
As far as "shaking" look up "trembling" in Scripture.
At least we agree the sick should go to the church, but that Scripture is really written to "elders" not organization, but mature believers in the faith who understand who they are in Christ.
Every single period in church history has signs and wonders in it. I know plenty more resources, but when someone answers a long post I write and doesn't comment on the points I write and ignores the points that I state. I bow out of conversations for those who are seriously wanting to find the truth. I have plenty of more Scripture and resources to share on this topic as this isn't theory to me, I pray for people every single day.
I consider healing the sick a command from the Lord. And I want Him to get everything He paid for. Deut lists sickness as a curse, but Scripture says Jesus became a curse for us, so the curse no longer applies to us.
Consider this: Jesus is perfect theology. He is the invisible made visible. If the Father wanted people sick, why would the Son of God heal them? A kingdom divided against itself can not stand. Why did Jesus get mad when the disciples couldn't heal? Why did Jesus never say its the Fathers will you be sick and He is using this to teach you something, but so many do today? Why did Paul tell believers the reason they were sick and even sleeping is because they didn't discern the blood and body of Christ? Why did James tell us IF not when someone gets sick that they are to be prayed for and the prayer will heal them? Why do people think they can tell the Spirit He is no longer allowed to give His gifts? Why do people think they can sit on the Internet and tell ministers who God has anointed that they are frauds? It's ridiculous. Stop straining out gnats and swallowing camels instead.
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Excuse me for not answered all your points. The topic of this threat is charismatic movement.
Its not speaking about how the Lord works today. I am convinced that he is at work today as he was in past. This included: answers our prayer for healing (with a yes, no ore later); guide.lead and enable us for the task we should do through his Holy Spirit.
All believers have the Holy Spirit. All believers are the children of the almighty father, which we can call Abba. And the Holy Spirit give the gifts according his will. And this from the time of Pentecost on and when the gospel reached us.
But we are talking not about that, we are talking about a movement which is founded since around 110 years ago in US.
If we speak from this then it began in 1906 Azusa Street in LA. And spread then into the world to build Pentecost churches. From the sixties on (second wave) and eighties (third wave) charismatic movements went in the existing denominations, including the catholic church.
When we today speak from charismatic movement then the roots are in the different waves and finaly in the event of Asuza Street in 1906.
According my understanding from the bible get everybody the Holy Spirit who is born again, according the scripture. So all believers received the Holy Spirit.
The reformation time was an european ( f.e. England, Netherlands, France; Switzerland and Germany)movement back to the word of God and away from the not biblical doctrine of the catholic church. This reformation was the foundation for many denominations. (as I mentioned before) Till 1906 these denominations taught never the teachings about the Holy Spirit in the way as the Pentecostal movement started to do.
So what does this means? These denominations were wrong? Was their faith wrong? Did the Holy Spirit did not enable the believers of this denominations for the ministry? How the Holy Spirit works is depend on which denomination you belong?
The Holy Spirit is given for all believers the same.
The difference in almost all the denominations which we have is man made according a different understanding ore outlay of the scripture doctrine ore emphasis to a certain topic, etc.
The charismatic/pentecostal movement is quite different. Here it is the different interpreting of how the Holy Spirit works today in Christians the topic.
The bible never mentioned a second Pentecost, nor it reveal a second bathing with the Holy Spirit, also we don’t find in the bible that as a sign of Holy Spirit a holy laughing, noising and acting like an animal, falling backward as a touching from the Holy Spirit.
Compare to the apostolic time it is a poor witness: If the charismatic movement claims they have the order to heal like the apostle did in the apostolic time. If so then the healings from so called People which have the gift of healing must be 100% as it was in the apostolic time. If people came to the Lord Jesus ore to the apostles they got healed 100%, according what is mentioned in the 4 gospels and in book of acts.
If people which say they have the gift of prophecy, their sayings should be fulfilled to 100%. And not according what some charismatic leaders stated for their churches only to 40 till 60%.
If the world wide church today has the task to continue with those gifts, then the Holy Spirit would be able to convince all denominations/believers. If the task would be for us today the healing and prophecy would be 100% and no one would go home still sick ore with a not truth coming prophecy which leads him to mistrust the Lord.
If the Holy Spirit would be behind the charismatic movement, then there would be not events like I mentioned above.
Proof it from the scripture: Were NT speaks from a 2. Pentecost; Where people which are full of the Holy spirit, acting like animals and are falling backward and so on. ( I know that the charismatic /Pentecosteal movement is wide spread, also in their teachings)
How was healing and prophecy in the apostolic time and how is it today?
What God says about false prophets?
If it would be the same Spirit, then the results would be the same!
I don’t want blame ore judge anybody, but I have my reasonable questions to this charismatic movement.
PS:Where you got it from that James is only for eldest and not for all believers. Orignial it was send to the 12 tribes (christians with jew background) (James 1,1)