The Charismatic movement?
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You mean you also deny that the cloven tongue on Pentecost manifested to the hearers as their own languages???
How do you interpret these verses then?
Acts 2:5-8
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
KJV
Do you think I'm repeating this just to win an argument? I assure, I am doing no such thing.
How do you interpret these verses then?
Acts 2:5-8
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
KJV
Do you think I'm repeating this just to win an argument? I assure, I am doing no such thing.
Most of us here in the Philippines were catholics because our country was been conquered by Spaniards for almost 333 years :rofl:
:smoke: IMAGINED THAT
And even i :rofl: a member of them never read any verses in a bible but it was a miracle that I only begin to read the bible from almosts four years until today
AND STILL IM NOT FINISH READING THE ENTIRE BOOK :rofl:
until now
same also to my partner
Who had almost the same experienced as mine but he is one of the best when it comes to unknown . ...
until next time
my brethrens :smoke: and my fellows :happy:
and my brothers and my sisters
Believers and non believers
God bless us all always
:ty:
:smoke: IMAGINED THAT
And even i :rofl: a member of them never read any verses in a bible but it was a miracle that I only begin to read the bible from almosts four years until today
AND STILL IM NOT FINISH READING THE ENTIRE BOOK :rofl:
until now
same also to my partner
Who had almost the same experienced as mine but he is one of the best when it comes to unknown . ...
until next time
my brethrens :smoke: and my fellows :happy:
and my brothers and my sisters
Believers and non believers
God bless us all always
:ty:
The Greek word dialektos is actually where our English word 'dialect' originates.
Merriam-Webster
"a form of a language that is spoken in a particular area and that uses some of its own words, grammar, and pronunciations"
NT:1258
dialektos (dee-al'-ek-tos); from NT:1256; a (mode of) discourse, i.e. "dialect":
KJV - language, tongue.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Nice try though, with trying to twist the meaning of Greek dialketos to mean something else other than dialect.
Merriam-Webster
"a form of a language that is spoken in a particular area and that uses some of its own words, grammar, and pronunciations"
NT:1258
dialektos (dee-al'-ek-tos); from NT:1256; a (mode of) discourse, i.e. "dialect":
KJV - language, tongue.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Nice try though, with trying to twist the meaning of Greek dialketos to mean something else other than dialect.
Yes, what is written in Acts 2 is... clear, very clear. But the question is, do you agree with what it actually states?
Acts 2:5-11
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language (dialektos).
What did they say they heard the Apostles speak? some gibberish? No, each person heard the Apostles speak in their own language dialect. That means known language dialects of the world that people speak. That is HOW the cloven tongue manifested to them.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue (dialektos), wherein we were born?
Here the Scripture is very specific again, with 'dialect', which means how one speaks from a certain region of a language. The rest of the terms mention in Acts 2 like "tongue" or "tongues" is the Greek word glossa, which means a language.
The Holy Spirit is very exact here with this meaning, because a regional dialect of a language is very difficult for a foreigner not of that region to learn. And here they knew the Apostles were not... from their own nation and region, and yet they heard the Apostles speak that accurately in their own language dialects.
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV
The Holy Spirit is also very clear that what those peoples heard was 'understood', not babel speak, but actual words of understanding about "the wonderful works of God."
So if you claim to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost, and it is not heard and understood like those on Pentecost did, then it is not... the true cloven tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2. It's that simple.
Acts 2:5-11
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language (dialektos).
What did they say they heard the Apostles speak? some gibberish? No, each person heard the Apostles speak in their own language dialect. That means known language dialects of the world that people speak. That is HOW the cloven tongue manifested to them.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue (dialektos), wherein we were born?
Here the Scripture is very specific again, with 'dialect', which means how one speaks from a certain region of a language. The rest of the terms mention in Acts 2 like "tongue" or "tongues" is the Greek word glossa, which means a language.
The Holy Spirit is very exact here with this meaning, because a regional dialect of a language is very difficult for a foreigner not of that region to learn. And here they knew the Apostles were not... from their own nation and region, and yet they heard the Apostles speak that accurately in their own language dialects.
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV
The Holy Spirit is also very clear that what those peoples heard was 'understood', not babel speak, but actual words of understanding about "the wonderful works of God."
So if you claim to speak the cloven tongue of Pentecost, and it is not heard and understood like those on Pentecost did, then it is not... the true cloven tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2. It's that simple.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
That is how the Holy Spirit manifested to them. As tongues of fire.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
That is how the Holy Spirit worked thru them
Two different things my friend. If you still can't see that, enjoy the sweater.
That is how the Holy Spirit manifested to them. As tongues of fire.
4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
That is how the Holy Spirit worked thru them
Two different things my friend. If you still can't see that, enjoy the sweater.