Charging interest is punishable by death according to the scriptures, so yes, because all sins requiring capital punishment are abominable to God. To you it is not a sin, because you are one who discards the Law, as many have, so it baffles you how this could possibly be a sin, but even setting aside matters of Law, if you look around you, as perhaps a sensible man, look at the bondage of debt that most Americans are yoked under, and the banks are raking in massive profits from all this slavery of debt, to where even the poor are forced to open credit lines and work paycheck to paycheck to just try to pay their debts to even just have basic necessities. Does this seem righteous to you? Even in the ungodly know that this financial system is evil.
The Coming Mark of the Beast
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The premise of social security is a sin, because it is a form of usury. Not even thinking about it in terms of "mark of the beast", you are deliberating engaging in a financial instrument that is displeasing to God. The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt | Wisdom of God
The financial system may indeed be evil but what other practical choice does the ordinary person have? As far as charging interest is concerned I believe that biblically it only says not to charge interest to a brother or to those in need. A bank that charges interest is not lending money to a brother but rather to a customer. I highly doubt that the ungodly would recognize anything as evil especially the banking system.
And this is precisely why the mark of the beast is forced on everyone small and great, rich and poor by the second beast of Revelation, because the government has made it extremely difficult to do anything unless you use the social security and federal reserve banking system. From what the Law reveals, these systems are evil, but because you guys discard the Law, you do not think it is evil. And therein is where the great deception is. The mark of the beast isn't and won't be some literal mark received on the forehead or right hand that you guys are expecting, you guys are already using the mark of the beast by engaging in these two systems that are an abomination. Its not a coincidence either that most countries have already adopted similar social security systems, and also federal reserve banking (minus a few countries), and this is precisely the financial system that the second beast of Revelation sells to the world.
The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt | Wisdom of God
The Mark of the Beast, the Name of the Beast or the Number of its Name, and 666 | Wisdom of God
The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt | Wisdom of God
The Mark of the Beast, the Name of the Beast or the Number of its Name, and 666 | Wisdom of God
Of course not, because we are in a season of mercy and opportunity for repentance. But once this season of mercy is finished, which is at the second coming of Jesus Christ, then the requirement of the Law to punish the wicked to death will be performed by throwing the wicked into aeonial fire. And the elect will be appointed to judge the entire world.
Clearly you do not understand that even though the Law is not abolished, shadow commands are not observed in the literal manner commanded (circumcision, festivals, sacrifices, sabbaths), but fulfilled in the realities they foreshadowed. And because of your confusion, you toss away the Law entirely. Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God and The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished | Wisdom of God .
Clearly you do not understand that even though the Law is not abolished, shadow commands are not observed in the literal manner commanded (circumcision, festivals, sacrifices, sabbaths), but fulfilled in the realities they foreshadowed. And because of your confusion, you toss away the Law entirely. Why the Law Is Not Abolished, Yet Circumcision, Festivals, Sacrifices, Sabbaths, Foods Are No Longer Observed | Wisdom of God and The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished | Wisdom of God .
I wouldn't make the mistake of comparing one sin to a lesser, and also God has always spoken to my heart when I should not do something I know his voice and he has never once spoken to me about this being a sin and has certainly never placed on my heart the heavy feeling when you are doing something displeasing to God.
You can give me all the links that you want but in the end I always to God for the truth of any matter. what you are promoting has nothing to do with God, yes it is under the guise of God but in the end it's conspiracy. Again I will let God himself judge me
You can give me all the links that you want but in the end I always to God for the truth of any matter. what you are promoting has nothing to do with God, yes it is under the guise of God but in the end it's conspiracy. Again I will let God himself judge me
I don't think that people will be tricked into receiving the mark of the Beast, however they will be compelled to accept the mark if they want to continue buying and selling. Maybe some folks out in the jungle somewhere may survive without the mark, I don't know. Real Christians will recognize the mark for what it is and refuse it.
It will be a trick. The prophecy says that the second beast will "deceive" the inhabitants of the earth. Deception involves trickery. This same manner of deception, or trickery, happened to Eve, for the serpent tricked her with a lie, that she would "not surely die" if she ate of the forbidden fruit, and because of the trickery, she was deceived and believed the lie and transgressed, which then resulted in her eventual death. This is why it is of utmost important to be on high alert, and to understand the word of the Lord, otherwise you will be tricked. If you think the Law has been abolished, this lie will lead you to transgress in many ways, which includes receiving the mark of the beast, because you guys don't think it is sin to engage in interest and usury, whereas the law forbids it. The mark of the beast is specifically a financial sin that breaks an existing command of God, and that is why whoever receives it will be punished, because the sins of interest and usury are actually considered abominations to God. Read and see if you don't believe me,
engages in usury… Will he live? He will not! Because he has done all these abominable deeds he will certainly die. He will bear the responsibility for his own death. (Ezekiel 18:13 [NETBIBLE])
…and shall not take money by usury; he shall turn his hand from injustice; he shall execute a just judgment between a man and his neighbor; (Ezekiel 18:8 [ABP])
…charges interest. Will he live? He will not! Because he has done all these abominable deeds he will certainly die. He will bear the responsibility for his own death. (Ezekiel 18:13 [NETBIBLE])
he shall not give his money with interest… he shall turn his hand from injustice; he shall execute a just judgment between a man and his neighbor; (Ezekiel 18:8 [ABP])
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. (Deutereonomy 23:19 [ESV])
he LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.
The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. (Deuteronomy 28:12-13 [NIV])
For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you. (Deuteronomy 15:6 [NIV])
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. (Romans 13:8 [BSB])
I took counsel with myself, and I brought charges against the nobles and the officials. I said to them, “You are exacting interest, each from his brother.” And I held a great assembly against them and said to them, “We, as far as we are able, have bought back our Jewish brothers who have been sold to the nations, but you even sell your brothers that they may be sold to us!” They were silent and could not find a word to say. So I said, “The thing that you are doing is not good. Ought you not to walk in the fear of our God to prevent the taunts of the nations our enemies? Moreover, I and my brothers and my servants are lending them money and grain. Let us abandon this exacting of interest. (Nehemiah 5:7-10 [ESV])
…and shall not take money by usury; he shall turn his hand from injustice; he shall execute a just judgment between a man and his neighbor; (Ezekiel 18:8 [ABP])
…charges interest. Will he live? He will not! Because he has done all these abominable deeds he will certainly die. He will bear the responsibility for his own death. (Ezekiel 18:13 [NETBIBLE])
he shall not give his money with interest… he shall turn his hand from injustice; he shall execute a just judgment between a man and his neighbor; (Ezekiel 18:8 [ABP])
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. (Deutereonomy 23:19 [ESV])
he LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.
The LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. (Deuteronomy 28:12-13 [NIV])
For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you. (Deuteronomy 15:6 [NIV])
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. (Romans 13:8 [BSB])
I took counsel with myself, and I brought charges against the nobles and the officials. I said to them, “You are exacting interest, each from his brother.” And I held a great assembly against them and said to them, “We, as far as we are able, have bought back our Jewish brothers who have been sold to the nations, but you even sell your brothers that they may be sold to us!” They were silent and could not find a word to say. So I said, “The thing that you are doing is not good. Ought you not to walk in the fear of our God to prevent the taunts of the nations our enemies? Moreover, I and my brothers and my servants are lending them money and grain. Let us abandon this exacting of interest. (Nehemiah 5:7-10 [ESV])
Good morning Christig,
The way in which the 2rd beast/false prophet deceives the people is made clear in the following scriptures:
"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast." - Rev.13:3
"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing" - 2 Thes.2:9
"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life." - Rev.13:13-14
"And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone."
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The first deception, will be when that eighth king, the beast who comes up out of the Abyss, receives that deadly wound. The word "thanatos" translated as mortal or deadly wound, the meaning being is that it is a "death stroke" not survivable. The fact that the first beast survives it is what causes the inhabitants of the earth to be in awe and wonder over the first beast/antichrist.
In addition to that, the 2nd beast, the false prophet, will be performing satanic, counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the first beast. These will be done to authenticate, i.e. to give credibility to the first beast regarding his claim of being God or anything that is called God or worshiped.
Receiving the mark will not be a sin of interest and usury. It will be a sin because those who receive it will be aligning themselves with the beast and Satan, which will be the ultimate rejection of God. Being that the mark will be the only method of buying and selling (electronic crediting and debiting), then people will receive it in order to save their own lives, to buy their food, gas, pay their debts, etc. They will also receive it because they will be in awe and wonder of the beast because he will have survived that deadly wound and the false prophet will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders.
All of those scriptures that you quoted above were to Israel regarding their financial dealings with respect to each other, not to the Gentiles.
The way in which the 2rd beast/false prophet deceives the people is made clear in the following scriptures:
"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast." - Rev.13:3
"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing" - 2 Thes.2:9
"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life." - Rev.13:13-14
"And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone."
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The first deception, will be when that eighth king, the beast who comes up out of the Abyss, receives that deadly wound. The word "thanatos" translated as mortal or deadly wound, the meaning being is that it is a "death stroke" not survivable. The fact that the first beast survives it is what causes the inhabitants of the earth to be in awe and wonder over the first beast/antichrist.
In addition to that, the 2nd beast, the false prophet, will be performing satanic, counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the first beast. These will be done to authenticate, i.e. to give credibility to the first beast regarding his claim of being God or anything that is called God or worshiped.
Receiving the mark will not be a sin of interest and usury. It will be a sin because those who receive it will be aligning themselves with the beast and Satan, which will be the ultimate rejection of God. Being that the mark will be the only method of buying and selling (electronic crediting and debiting), then people will receive it in order to save their own lives, to buy their food, gas, pay their debts, etc. They will also receive it because they will be in awe and wonder of the beast because he will have survived that deadly wound and the false prophet will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders.
All of those scriptures that you quoted above were to Israel regarding their financial dealings with respect to each other, not to the Gentiles.
Do you not understand that sacrificial commands are foreshadows of realities found in Christ? Or why do you suppose that Jesus Christ is called the "Passover lamb" to fulfill the command to sacrifice a lamb on the Passover? Sabbaths, sacrifices, new moons, festivals, circumcision are all commands that are shadow commands, that are no longer observed in the literal manner commanded, but rather, are fulfilled in the respective realities that each foreshadows, hence,
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17 [NIV])
However, commands such as "do not kill", "do not steal", "a man must not wear women's clothing" must still be obeyed, or where do you suppose that Paul got "murderers, thieves, effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God" but from commands found in the Law.
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I understand it. I was trying to figure out what you understand. By the way:
Deuteronomy 23:20 -- “Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury..."
And then here, The Lord Himself is advising "usury":
Matthew 25:27 -- "Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury."
Deuteronomy 23:20 -- “Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury..."
And then here, The Lord Himself is advising "usury":
Matthew 25:27 -- "Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury."
The eighth head, which is a nation or kingdom, not a person, is not the head that receives the deadly wound, for the beast is not even considered to have 8 heads, it is considered to have 7 heads, and there is a reason for this, because as soon as the 8 heads comes to be, for "one prophetic hour" that the final ten horns will have authority with the 8th head, then is the coming of the Lord, so there is not enough time for it to be even considered "a beast of 8 heads", but rather, it is a "beast of 7 heads". As such, the head that receives the mortal would is the 6th head, for it is the Roman head, whose rule ended when the papacy was taken captive by the French, and then the would was healed when the papacy was reinstated by Benito Mussolini. As such, the 8th and final head will be a "United Stated of Europe", that is already in final formation as we speak, and is the amalgamation of all the previous heads of the first beast, which were the Egyptians (first kingdom to hold the people of God captive), then the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, then the Medo-Persians, then the Greeks, then the Romans, then the Ottomans - 7 heads. Of which, then 6th head broke into 10 kingdoms, and an 11th little horn came from among them, that uprooted 3 of those 10, and this little horn became known as the papacy that has lived long and has persecuted the saints as what is known as the inquisitions and such. And at the time that the 8th head forms, which is already approaching, she becomes the "whore of Babylon" which is already "intoxicated with the blood of the saints" which she killed when she acted as a governmental power, as opposed to a church power as it is now.
The second beast, which came from the European nations that the Roman empire broke into, became what we know as the United States of America. And this is the kingdom that brings forth the mark of the beast into the entire world, which is the social security and federal reserve banking that was promulgated by this nation into the entire world. The works of power performed by this nation are technological wonders, great power to bomb and destroy cities, military might, medicinal achievements, and much more. Not only does this nation export its financial system to the entire world, but also its way of life, which is wicked.... movies (containing violence, murders, horror films containing horrific depictions not even seen in the Roman coliseums), music, sexual decadence, homosexuality, adultery, parties, drugs, raves, drinking, orgies, pornography, prostitution, fornication, and much much more. The sins committed today would shock Sodom and Gomorrah.
The nations of the beast, and the second beast are not what you think or what your Protestant churches that, that some shadowy figure will appear and that it will be obvious he is the antichrist..... no sir, the beast and second beast nations are already here, as well as the antichrist, and also the mark of the beast.... we are already living in the times of these entities.... look around you and look at the depravity and wickedness that exists. Look at your TV and see for yourself! The nations of the beast are nations of wickedness.
I have an entire study on this and its interpretation of the beasts of Revelation in correlation with the book of Daniel and also history here The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and the Whore of Babylon | Wisdom of God .
The second beast, which came from the European nations that the Roman empire broke into, became what we know as the United States of America. And this is the kingdom that brings forth the mark of the beast into the entire world, which is the social security and federal reserve banking that was promulgated by this nation into the entire world. The works of power performed by this nation are technological wonders, great power to bomb and destroy cities, military might, medicinal achievements, and much more. Not only does this nation export its financial system to the entire world, but also its way of life, which is wicked.... movies (containing violence, murders, horror films containing horrific depictions not even seen in the Roman coliseums), music, sexual decadence, homosexuality, adultery, parties, drugs, raves, drinking, orgies, pornography, prostitution, fornication, and much much more. The sins committed today would shock Sodom and Gomorrah.
The nations of the beast, and the second beast are not what you think or what your Protestant churches that, that some shadowy figure will appear and that it will be obvious he is the antichrist..... no sir, the beast and second beast nations are already here, as well as the antichrist, and also the mark of the beast.... we are already living in the times of these entities.... look around you and look at the depravity and wickedness that exists. Look at your TV and see for yourself! The nations of the beast are nations of wickedness.
I have an entire study on this and its interpretation of the beasts of Revelation in correlation with the book of Daniel and also history here The Identity of the Antichrist, the Two Beasts of Revelation, and the Whore of Babylon | Wisdom of God .
Hello abcdef,
You need to pay attention to the scripture in order to come to a right conclusion:
"And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."
In the scripture above, the reference to causing "all, the small, the great and the rich and the poor, the free men and the slaves" infers everyone one and not just Israel. As proof of this, we already have people in Sweden who are being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand and they are not Israel.
This coming mark will affect the entire planet, as being the new medium for electronic crediting and debiting of peoples bank accounts. I have been following the evolution of this prophecy from when the first ATM's began to appear, followed by the Universal product code (UPC) and then the Point of Sale system (POS). The system that the mark will run, the electronic crediting and debiting system, has been in place for some time and people are not even aware of its purpose. The devices have evolved from card swiping, to fobs, to cell phone bank apps and now people being implanted with chips for the purpose of making electronic purchases.
The mark of the beast, that device that will go into the hand or forehead, will be the final evolution of this system. The only way that it will work is by making all of the other methods of buying and selling obsolete, so that the mark will be the only way to be able to credit and debit ones bank account.
I can assure you that the mark of the beast is not history, but is just getting started. In the days to come, you will begin to see people around the world using this method of making purchases with a device in or on their hand that will begin to replace all of the other electronic methods of crediting and debiting. This is all being done in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast. By the time he is revealed, this mark will be under way and during his reign it will become the only way of buying and selling. And below is what happens to those who do receive it:
"Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
It always amazes me when people say that the mark of the beast is in the past, when we are looking at it taking shape right now. If you haven't done so already, click on the link below and you will see what I am talking about:
i put a chip in my hand to replace my wallet - Bing video
You need to pay attention to the scripture in order to come to a right conclusion:
"And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."
In the scripture above, the reference to causing "all, the small, the great and the rich and the poor, the free men and the slaves" infers everyone one and not just Israel. As proof of this, we already have people in Sweden who are being implanted with RFID chips under the skin of the hand and they are not Israel.
This coming mark will affect the entire planet, as being the new medium for electronic crediting and debiting of peoples bank accounts. I have been following the evolution of this prophecy from when the first ATM's began to appear, followed by the Universal product code (UPC) and then the Point of Sale system (POS). The system that the mark will run, the electronic crediting and debiting system, has been in place for some time and people are not even aware of its purpose. The devices have evolved from card swiping, to fobs, to cell phone bank apps and now people being implanted with chips for the purpose of making electronic purchases.
The mark of the beast, that device that will go into the hand or forehead, will be the final evolution of this system. The only way that it will work is by making all of the other methods of buying and selling obsolete, so that the mark will be the only way to be able to credit and debit ones bank account.
I can assure you that the mark of the beast is not history, but is just getting started. In the days to come, you will begin to see people around the world using this method of making purchases with a device in or on their hand that will begin to replace all of the other electronic methods of crediting and debiting. This is all being done in preparation for that coming antichrist/beast. By the time he is revealed, this mark will be under way and during his reign it will become the only way of buying and selling. And below is what happens to those who do receive it:
"Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
It always amazes me when people say that the mark of the beast is in the past, when we are looking at it taking shape right now. If you haven't done so already, click on the link below and you will see what I am talking about:
i put a chip in my hand to replace my wallet - Bing video
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To a non-Israelite the Israelites were permitted to lend at interest, but not to fellow Israelite, aka brothers, they were not. And the reason behind this was because God wanted the Israelites to rule over nations, hence,
Read this study The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt | Wisdom of God .
[FONT="]The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. [/FONT][FONT="]You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.
The LORD will make you the head, not the tail.[/FONT][FONT="] If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, [/FONT][FONT="]you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.[/FONT][FONT="] (Deuteronomy 28:12-13 [NIV])
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And even though the the Israelites were permitted to lend at interest to non-Israelites, they were not permitted to borrow from non-Israelites,The LORD will make you the head, not the tail.[/FONT][FONT="] If you pay attention to the commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, [/FONT][FONT="]you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.[/FONT][FONT="] (Deuteronomy 28:12-13 [NIV])
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[FONT="]For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and [/FONT][FONT="]you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.[/FONT][FONT="] (Deuteronomy 15:6 [NIV])
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And this is precisely why we are instructed to have no debts. This is concerning borrowing, and in regards to lending, Jesus Christ taught "lend without expecting anything in return". So even if you lend without interest, and are expecting payback, you're already in error.[/FONT]
Read this study The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt | Wisdom of God .
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Brother Ahwatukee,
The book of Rev. is written to the 7 churches.
The churches (congregations), are part of Israel, wild and natural branches.
The Bible is written to Israel, the covenants are with Israel, Israel is the Lamb's wife, Israel is the woman in the wilderness Rev 12, being part of the kingdom of Israel is to be part of God's people wild and natural branches.
When the Rev was written, Jerusalem was home to the natural branches.
Jerusalem is the center of the world to Israel.
When it says all, it means all Israel, the world of Israel.
The Bible is about the world of Israel, the gentile nations try to kill Israel, but Israel is restored to Jerusalem, despite the will of the gentile nations.
This is no proof of any connection to the mark of the Roman beast.
What if they stick it, somewhere else in the body? the foot? does that count? what about the hip, or the tummy? Then it doesn't count as the mark, because the chip isn't in the hand or forehead?
Again, the beast is Rome, the iron legs, toes, etc., last until the stone strikes. Rome rules over Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. To change the beast nation to some other nation(s), is to try and change the meaning of the iron in the statue of Dan. 2.
It is LITERALLY a mark, will you change the LITERAL mark, to mean something that is symbolized? As a mechanical, electrical devise?
The Roman Caesar beast has already dominated Israel for the last 1900 years. The trib is over.
I agree.
It always amazes me that pre trib and pure preterists disregard the last 1900 years of persecution of Israel by the 4th beast, iron legs of Rome. Basically 70 ad onward to this day.
Both theories leave out the entire time period.
Brother Ahwatukee,
The book of Rev. is written to the 7 churches.
The churches (congregations), are part of Israel, wild and natural branches.
The Bible is written to Israel, the covenants are with Israel, Israel is the Lamb's wife, Israel is the woman in the wilderness Rev 12, being part of the kingdom of Israel is to be part of God's people wild and natural branches.
When the Rev was written, Jerusalem was home to the natural branches.
Jerusalem is the center of the world to Israel.
When it says all, it means all Israel, the world of Israel.
The Bible is about the world of Israel, the gentile nations try to kill Israel, but Israel is restored to Jerusalem, despite the will of the gentile nations.
This is no proof of any connection to the mark of the Roman beast.
What if they stick it, somewhere else in the body? the foot? does that count? what about the hip, or the tummy? Then it doesn't count as the mark, because the chip isn't in the hand or forehead?
Again, the beast is Rome, the iron legs, toes, etc., last until the stone strikes. Rome rules over Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem. To change the beast nation to some other nation(s), is to try and change the meaning of the iron in the statue of Dan. 2.
It is LITERALLY a mark, will you change the LITERAL mark, to mean something that is symbolized? As a mechanical, electrical devise?
The Roman Caesar beast has already dominated Israel for the last 1900 years. The trib is over.
I agree.
It always amazes me that pre trib and pure preterists disregard the last 1900 years of persecution of Israel by the 4th beast, iron legs of Rome. Basically 70 ad onward to this day.
Both theories leave out the entire time period.