The connection between: Loving Jesus—Obedience—Eternal Life
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Peter, have you given up yet?
The NT says we absolutely must love our brothers!
Brothers as in true fellow-believers.
How many of these do we have here?
We are arguing against unbelievers, and as such, we are wasting our time.
Only the Holy Spirit can get through to them ... we cannot.
And the Holy Spirit often gives up on people after some time has past.
Peter, have you given up yet?
The NT says we absolutely must love our brothers!
Brothers as in true fellow-believers.
How many of these do we have here?
We are arguing against unbelievers, and as such, we are wasting our time.
Only the Holy Spirit can get through to them ... we cannot.
And the Holy Spirit often gives up on people after some time has past.
Do yourself a favor and look up in the Greek Romans 6:16 and you will find out that there is no "leads to" in the text. That is "added by the translators".
It literally says obedience unto righteousness. Not that it "leads to or makes someone" righteousness.
We are the righteousness of God in Christ because of the blood of Jesus. A failure to understand this truth creates man-made religions for trying to create and maintain their own righteousness.
There are deeds of righteousness but that comes from the life of Christ inside of us - it is His righteousness.
It literally says obedience unto righteousness. Not that it "leads to or makes someone" righteousness.
We are the righteousness of God in Christ because of the blood of Jesus. A failure to understand this truth creates man-made religions for trying to create and maintain their own righteousness.
There are deeds of righteousness but that comes from the life of Christ inside of us - it is His righteousness.
Hebrews 3:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned,
whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest,
but to those who did not obey? [SUP]
19 [/SUP]So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
You people who are hated by God, who don't love Jesus, who are not His friend
... do not obey Him ... and think you will be welcome in Heaven?
What idiocy!
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned,
whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest,
but to those who did not obey? [SUP]
19 [/SUP]So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
You people who are hated by God, who don't love Jesus, who are not His friend
... do not obey Him ... and think you will be welcome in Heaven?
What idiocy!
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The art of following faith
The only way people will see Jesus is when they embrace all Jesus says.
My experience on cc, in talking is suddenly a phrase makes sense because it is now countering
a particular argument, or view, and bringing it into perspective. To just see the answer in the
gospels sometimes makes it look extreme, but it is because it is not with what it is answering.
So "Hate your family" is about breaking ties and respect because these people will dishonour
righteousness and God, and you have a choice, stay with them and abandon God, or reject
them and walk with the Lord.
Being chosen and not acknowledging Christs words and example. We can easily walk in
fantastic things, but not give up an issue or position. It puts in jeopardy everything we
have gained because we do not understand the inter-connectedness of the ideas and authority.
One issue can slowly blind us and overturn everything, so we end up in a worse place than
we first begun. It is why each idea and context needs to be carefully handled, and then when
all is considered put into place.
When everything becomes subservient to an external framework which ignores the majority
of the faith itself, we have got into heresy. With a good heart and an honest conscience
the Lord can deliver us, but we need to listen and follow.
We must be perfect like our Father, in loving our enemies. We must not go with something
our faith bans. We must be open and honest and walk with a clear conscience.
But our enemies will disagree with these points, which shows who they truly are.
This situation should be no surprise when scripture is not honoured and the doors to
salvation are pushed wide to accept anyone and everything as long as they claim
faith in Jesus, everything is going to sound christian, but be very different.
The only way people will see Jesus is when they embrace all Jesus says.
My experience on cc, in talking is suddenly a phrase makes sense because it is now countering
a particular argument, or view, and bringing it into perspective. To just see the answer in the
gospels sometimes makes it look extreme, but it is because it is not with what it is answering.
So "Hate your family" is about breaking ties and respect because these people will dishonour
righteousness and God, and you have a choice, stay with them and abandon God, or reject
them and walk with the Lord.
Being chosen and not acknowledging Christs words and example. We can easily walk in
fantastic things, but not give up an issue or position. It puts in jeopardy everything we
have gained because we do not understand the inter-connectedness of the ideas and authority.
One issue can slowly blind us and overturn everything, so we end up in a worse place than
we first begun. It is why each idea and context needs to be carefully handled, and then when
all is considered put into place.
When everything becomes subservient to an external framework which ignores the majority
of the faith itself, we have got into heresy. With a good heart and an honest conscience
the Lord can deliver us, but we need to listen and follow.
We must be perfect like our Father, in loving our enemies. We must not go with something
our faith bans. We must be open and honest and walk with a clear conscience.
But our enemies will disagree with these points, which shows who they truly are.
This situation should be no surprise when scripture is not honoured and the doors to
salvation are pushed wide to accept anyone and everything as long as they claim
faith in Jesus, everything is going to sound christian, but be very different.
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so we see a spiritual truth.
1. They did not enter rest, Because they did not have faith (no faith, no salvation)
2. Because they did not have faith, they were not made righteous
3. Because they were not made righteous they acted like their true nature (they did not obey)
It is all very simple. and matches what Jesus said when he walked the earth.
He who BELIEVES HAS ETERNAL LIFE
He who DOES NOT BELIEVE shall not see life, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDES IN HIM./
how can one obey when they have no faiht, and the wrath of God abides? THEY CAN'T
That unbelief is manifested in not believing what God has said about His Son - the Lord Jesus Christ.
Being dis-obedient is trying to maintain and create our own righteousness by what "we do". That is called "works-righteousness". The true Christian lives by "faith-righteousness" in what Christ has already done by His blood and life.
The classic error in works-based mindsets is seen by the Jews as Paul talks about in Romans 10.
Romans 10:2-4 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Notice that true righteousness comes by those "who believe" - "not do" - there will be deeds of righteousness but they flow out of us because of the righteousness that we have in Him. Christ alone is our righteousness.
Get this wrong and we have created a man-made religion which actually denies the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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My brother, there is never a giving up but refining the points of argument.
The best way to practice is to use as many different approaches, to talk them through
and then to summarise them.
Some will concepts will appear very similar to your enemy, but some will be like a light
shinning. They will all assume something behind the scenes, which will appear out of
reach until it comes front and centre.
1. Walking with Christ is cost free
2. Being righteous in behaviour is sinful pride
3. Fear is sin and lack of trust in Christ
4. Unbelief is not accepting you do not need to respond to Christ
5. Legalism is focusing on anything to do with behaviour
6. Slander is upsetting someone no matter how true it is
7. Our goal is dependency on Christ not becoming like Him
8. Questioning the teachers of the movement is rebellion and sin
Now to define these points or even discover them is their true ethical framework.
Once exposed, it becomes obvious this is not a christian group.
So only by continual interaction and watching what they respond to, and what they
ignore demonstrates their true allegiance.
Now there are some similar views between the parties, but I am primarily interested
in documenting the differences and why they radically change their faith from ours.
The best way to practice is to use as many different approaches, to talk them through
and then to summarise them.
Some will concepts will appear very similar to your enemy, but some will be like a light
shinning. They will all assume something behind the scenes, which will appear out of
reach until it comes front and centre.
1. Walking with Christ is cost free
2. Being righteous in behaviour is sinful pride
3. Fear is sin and lack of trust in Christ
4. Unbelief is not accepting you do not need to respond to Christ
5. Legalism is focusing on anything to do with behaviour
6. Slander is upsetting someone no matter how true it is
7. Our goal is dependency on Christ not becoming like Him
8. Questioning the teachers of the movement is rebellion and sin
Now to define these points or even discover them is their true ethical framework.
Once exposed, it becomes obvious this is not a christian group.
So only by continual interaction and watching what they respond to, and what they
ignore demonstrates their true allegiance.
Now there are some similar views between the parties, but I am primarily interested
in documenting the differences and why they radically change their faith from ours.
Unbelief is not accepting you do not need to respond to Christ
G7 and EG continually have called me to repent. I have asked what of.
It has taken me a year to finally understand what they mean.
To them all sin is forgiven except unbelief. So you only go to hell because
of unbelief.
Now belief is believing in Christ dying for our sins.
Unbelief that cancels this belief out, is trying to respond, which is adding to
the work of Christ, therefore a denial that Christ has done enough alone, so is
therefore unbelief. And as unbelief is sin, and you need to agree with God He
has done enough, and then everything is ok.
Now this is actually very convoluted, but it makes sense in a way. The unfortunate
thing is it is down to the believer to say whether it is Christ working in them changing
them or themselves doing it, which is sinful. This ambivalence means it is better to do
nothing, and not loose your salvation through unbelief, except they claim this is impossible,
except ofcourse for everyone who is actually following Christ and walking in obedience
because he told them to.
But then proof and argument are not the reason people are here in this position.
It is because they know Christ and His promise, but through legalism failed to walk in it.
So the compromise is, the failure does not matter, it is unbelief to accept it does.
G7 and EG continually have called me to repent. I have asked what of.
It has taken me a year to finally understand what they mean.
To them all sin is forgiven except unbelief. So you only go to hell because
of unbelief.
Now belief is believing in Christ dying for our sins.
Unbelief that cancels this belief out, is trying to respond, which is adding to
the work of Christ, therefore a denial that Christ has done enough alone, so is
therefore unbelief. And as unbelief is sin, and you need to agree with God He
has done enough, and then everything is ok.
Now this is actually very convoluted, but it makes sense in a way. The unfortunate
thing is it is down to the believer to say whether it is Christ working in them changing
them or themselves doing it, which is sinful. This ambivalence means it is better to do
nothing, and not loose your salvation through unbelief, except they claim this is impossible,
except ofcourse for everyone who is actually following Christ and walking in obedience
because he told them to.
But then proof and argument are not the reason people are here in this position.
It is because they know Christ and His promise, but through legalism failed to walk in it.
So the compromise is, the failure does not matter, it is unbelief to accept it does.