The curse of the law

[weakness]

aWe must exceed the 10 commandments , its a heart thing , being born of God. Of old ..adultery, now even to look upon a woman with lust you have committed adultery already.We keep the righteousness of the law not by following it ,but because we ,if we have the Spirit in our hearts,have a new nature and are a law unto ourselves, The law maker is in our hearts, not the law breaker. All things are lawful but all things are not expedient, all things are lawful but all things don't edify. to the pure all things are pure , but to him that is defiled nothing is pure ,not even his conscience also defiled.

 

[DesiredHaven]

In the beginning, ISIT posted a post, in the Beginning MarcR said

ISIT,

Excellent study!Post #6

In the beginning Elin started her strawman

Do you think Israel should not have agreed to enter the Sinaitic Covenant? Post # 48

In the beginning MarcR was answering her strawman

Good question!


What I think makes little difference; since they are not able to rethink their decision based on my advice.

In the beginning MarcR was just being strung along

Well done. . .are you leaving the possibility they could have made another decision in the circumstances?Post # 87

But MarcR is one of the most honest men I have met

Certainly they could have; but I wouldn't want to speculate on God's response to that.

Your original question was whether they should have. Post #114

In the Beginning Elin was sticking stuff in InSpirits mouth

Yes, that idea is proposed by ISIT, which is why I asked. Post #115

In the Beginning InSpiritInTruth didnt like this and said so

ISIT did not propose that idea, that is your straw man proposal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Post #117

In the beginning I caught what was going on and said something too

Yeah, caught that (like my burning strawpersons)?

This has truly been an eye opening experience. (snip) Post #118

In the beginning I was learning alot

Many believe if you repeat a lie over and over again eventually some people will receive it as the truth. Have a good night Sis, peace and God bless. Post #119

In the Beginning MarcR wasnt paying that too close attention

MarcR (jumps on and many pages later in Post #173) apparently not following closely, he quotes Elin's earlier response to him in Post # 115 here

Yes, that idea is proposed by ISIT, which is why I asked. Post #115

Perhaps, unless the continuing relationship were conditional on acceptance. That could be seen as inferred; but certainly not explicit. Post #173

In the Beginning I tried to help

She lied there, but thats okay, creating straw man and dust is her speciality post #174 see also the following post here (a bump)

See how if you are not following things its hard to see what is plain in the others post? Post #198 is to Post #174

I suppose I would rather treat someone as sincere and be wrong than treat someone as insincere and be wrong. #198

MarcR was believing the best of her

MarcR quotes a question Elin puts forth

Elin,

I did not recognize that question in ISIT's post. If I had seen that I would not have liked the post.

I answered YOUR question at first by saying I didn't see rejection as an option.

When you pressed me to speculate, I obliged you.

I find myself in agreement with you most of the time; so I sought to oblige you.


Monkey in the middle has never been my favorite game, especially when I'm put in the role of the monkey.#200

Which response MarcR was responding to come from post# 183

Oh my goodness I apologized for nothing I understood MarcR he was being fair I actually owe him another apology for thinking he was not being so.

Just fine it was the way Elin highlighted here




A couple of birds encouraged me to reread, so I did, and here I read him correctly

MarcR was catching he was being played as monkey in the middle and I was doing two things at once only reading what Elin hightlighted,

I thought MarcR said something different, wow really pays off to read.

He was answering her strawman only rehighight this and look

Elin,

I did not recognize that question in ISIT's post. If I had seen that I would not have liked the post.

I answered YOUR question at first by saying I didn't see rejection as an option.

When you pressed me to speculate, I obliged you.

I find myself in agreement with you most of the time; so I sought to oblige you.


Monkey in the middle has never been my favorite game, especially when I'm put in the role of the monkey.#200

This thread is a complete joke and here saying sorry for nothing and folks saying my sorry was aome kind of plead for ignorance and then being made sport of when what MarcR posted was fair the way he worded that, it was me that missed it.

How deceptive

 

[DesiredHaven]

It was all you Elin from start to finish, all the ideas, notions, proposals, accusations, and then lies. I never said those things, never even implied or suggested those things, and I also didn't answer to your false "ideas, notions, and proposals," which you then tried to put on me. For shame Elin, for shame.

You made your own bed Elin, and now your going to lie in it. Enjoy!

This was such an eye opener!

What a witch hunt

 

[Elin]

How deceptive

Seems there's plenty of that to go around. . .

Just can't believe that someone could not follow what was being said and asked so many times what it meant. . .
but each time the choice was made not to correctly inform.

Sorry about that. . .

 

[just-me]

[/SIZE]


You quote scripture, but I am trying to connect what the scriptures mean to your texted message. I see separatism still and accusations, slander, and self-righteousness, not to mention a lack of compassion for the fact anyone hearing they are ignorant would think that to be hurtful.... And Judgement. So in response I quoted scripture and then you quoted me scripture back, that I don't disagree with at all. Unless taken out of context.

Maybe I am not asking the right question..."what do you think Righteous judgement means?" Personally....I know the text of the procedures, But from your own words. And...

Do you see any error in your text?

We have agreed that to love another is to rebuke them, attempting to redirect them, and keep them from suffering in sin which is a curse of the law. (Galatians 3:13) Thank you for attempting to rebuke me because you believe I am wrong. I think your motives are righteous. "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." (Leviticus 19:17-18)

To be ignorant is to be unaware. To be ignorant of one's actions is to be unaware of what one is actually doing. It's not a derogatory statement, for everybody is ignorant to something. If a person knows that there is not supposed to be schism in the body of Christ, and is ignorant to the fact that it's norm for them to cause division, it is necessary for another to enlighten that person of what they are actually doing so they will no longer be ignorant to the reality of their involvement. They will change their ways if they are sincere. There has always been a sacrifice for sinning in ignorance. Leviticus 5:15-18, and Acts 17:30

If they are not ignorant, and continue to cause schism within the ranks of the church, then there is a real problem, for they are doing things on purpose that the Word of God says not to do. So what's worse, being enlightened to a situation that they are unaware of, or purposefully attributing to the tactics of the adversary. I prefer rebuke even though it might sound hurtful at the beginning, but it is not my place to condemn if there is no repentance (changing of ways).

"Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby." Hebrews 12:11

The response, after enlightenment, can be very enlightening to those who observe. Give it time, and see if there is a change turning away from causing schism, and turning to a sincere desire of cohesiveness within the body of Christ.

Matthew 7:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[Least]

Many believe the law itself is “the curse” but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” So what was the curse? The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in Deuteronomy 27:26 “Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.”

The first part of this curse has to do with sin as it is written in Romans 7:10-11[SUP] “[/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.” Again we see the law was ordained unto life, but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin. So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin? If you answered sin then you would be correct.

I hope you don't mind my posting again in response to the original OP. It was a good and thought provoking message, and I hope it can be brought back on topic. (A little hesitant to post.)

I was studying a different subject this morning and came across some passages from the last part of Jonah ch. 2, That right away made me think this message, and wanted to share a bit on it. It goes into the OP, with a bit about how actions are part of agreements.

The scriptures show in so many places that it wasn't the law that was bad, but it was sin. It always was. (As you showed in your original message.)
A covenant is an agreement, we can either be in agreement with God, or with sin. If we are in agreement with God (in all our ways,) in Christ, then sin will not rule over us. (We will be dead to sin.) This is why Paul said that he puts his flesh under (1 Cor 9:27)

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

There's a picture of this with Cain.

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Cain choose opposite of God's will, so that's where his heart was, and he was a servant to sin.

So, anyway, here are the verses that I came across this morning that go into agreement.

[SUP]Jonah 2:8) [/SUP]“Those who worship vain idols
give up their source of mercy;
[SUP]10:[/SUP][SUP]9) [/SUP]but I, speaking my thanks aloud,
will sacrifice to you;
what I have vowed, I will pay.
Salvation comes from Adonai!” (CJB)

Jonah 2:8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
Jonah 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. (KJV)

I did a word search on "covenant and death," and came across another passage:

Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Which also shows that it wasn't the law that was bad, but sin is.

In Isaiah 28: 15, it shows that they made a "covenant with death and hell, they were in agreement with the opposite of life through disobedience. (Although they entered into the vow at Mt. Sinai, by their actions and weakness of the flesh, they continuously did the opposite.) Which was the "curse," part of the agreement.

But in Christ there's no longer and attempt to overcome sin by the flesh, but are empowered through and by Him to be overcomers. Seeking His will.

"In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your paths." We go from faith to faith and glory to glory in Christ as we mature in Him having our minds renewed from the natural ways of the flesh to the heavenly ways of the Kingdom.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Also to answer one of the questions presented..it's never bad to be in agreement with God by His word in Christ.

The original covenant showed the weakness of the flesh and made it clear that we all have need of the Savior and being born again in Him we will overcome this world. (I believe that this was the purpose and part of the whole plan.)

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Faith would always be in agreement with God. What other faith can there be if it's not in Christ and the truth contained in God's word?

 

[Elin]

her own invalid interpretations.....(in blue she put her own false assertions) ) ...

all because she didn't back then trust in. . .jesus.

For whom who objects so strongly to being "misrepresented,"
this statement belies one's own compliance with the proscription.
Your heritage is showing.

or paul (jesus taught paul by revelation, and everything paul taught in scripture is from yahweh and in line with all of SCRIPTURE)....

If you can honestly say that

all of the NT, bar none, is God's word written,
you do not elevate any part of God's NT word written over any other part of God's NT word written,
that all God's NT word written is of equal authority,
that one part is not of greater authority, taking precedence over any other part of lesser authority, and
that all of God's NT word is absolutely and unequivocally on the same footing,

then I apologize for misrepresenting you--that you do not receive all of Paul's writings, or that you assert
Paul's writings do not enjoy equal authority with all other NT writings.

And then it falls on you to demonstrate your assertion in at least three of my supposedly non-Biblical presentations.

Haven't received a response to my apology. . .guess its terms were unacceptable. . .and I wasn't too far off the mark.

So when all the dust and smoke clears, all that hornets'-nest drama was just a smokescreen to hide the fact.

Hard not to see the similarities of the hornets'-nest drama to some of the events in John's gospel.

 

[Elin]

A little hesitant to post.

A covenant is an agreement, we can either be in agreement
with God, or with sin. If we are in agreement with God (in all our ways,) in Christ, then sin will not rule over us. (We will be dead to sin.) This is why Paul said that he puts his flesh under (1 Cor 9:27).

Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

In Isaiah 28: 15, it shows that
they made a "covenant with death and hell, they were in agreement with the opposite of life
through disobedience.
(Although they entered into the vow at Mt. Sinai, by their actions and weakness of the flesh,
they continuously did the opposite.)
Which was the "curse," part of the agreement.

But in Christ there's no longer and attempt to overcome sin by the flesh, but are empowered through and by Him to be overcomers. Seeking His will.

. . .to answer one of the questions presented..it's never bad to be in agreement with God by His word in Christ.

The original covenant showed the weakness of the flesh and
made it clear that we all have need of the Savior and
being born again in Him we will overcome this world.
(I believe that this was the purpose and part of the whole plan.)

Good post. . .easy to understand. . .being in comlete agreement with the NT word of God.

Is this new information or not understood clearly from the NT by anyone in Christ,
and requires much word study to demonstrate it?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I hope you don't mind my posting again in response to the original OP. It was a good and thought provoking message, and I hope it can be brought back on topic. (A little hesitant to post.)

I was studying a different subject this morning and came across some passages from the last part of Jonah ch. 2, That right away made me think this message, and wanted to share a bit on it. It goes into the OP, with a bit about how actions are part of agreements.

The scriptures show in so many places that it wasn't the law that was bad, but it was sin. It always was. (As you showed in your original message.)
A covenant is an agreement, we can either be in agreement with God, or with sin. If we are in agreement with God (in all our ways,) in Christ, then sin will not rule over us. (We will be dead to sin.) This is why Paul said that he puts his flesh under (1 Cor 9:27)

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

There's a picture of this with Cain.

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Cain choose opposite of God's will, so that's where his heart was, and he was a servant to sin.

So, anyway, here are the verses that I came across this morning that go into agreement.

[SUP]Jonah 2:8) [/SUP]“Those who worship vain idols
give up their source of mercy;
[SUP]10:[/SUP][SUP]9) [/SUP]but I, speaking my thanks aloud,
will sacrifice to you;
what I have vowed, I will pay.
Salvation comes from Adonai!” (CJB)

Jonah 2:8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
Jonah 2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. (KJV)

I did a word search on "covenant and death," and came across another passage:

Isaiah 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isaiah 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isaiah 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Which also shows that it wasn't the law that was bad, but sin is.

In Isaiah 28: 15, it shows that they made a "covenant with death and hell, they were in agreement with the opposite of life through disobedience. (Although they entered into the vow at Mt. Sinai, by their actions and weakness of the flesh, they continuously did the opposite.) Which was the "curse," part of the agreement.

But in Christ there's no longer and attempt to overcome sin by the flesh, but are empowered through and by Him to be overcomers. Seeking His will.

"In all your ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your paths." We go from faith to faith and glory to glory in Christ as we mature in Him having our minds renewed from the natural ways of the flesh to the heavenly ways of the Kingdom.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Also to answer one of the questions presented..it's never bad to be in agreement with God by His word in Christ.

The original covenant showed the weakness of the flesh and made it clear that we all have need of the Savior and being born again in Him we will overcome this world. (I believe that this was the purpose and part of the whole plan.)

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Faith would always be in agreement with God. What other faith can there be if it's not in Christ and the truth contained in God's word?

Good post, and yes the weakness of the flesh was an issue then, but it still an issue today IF one is not truly born again of the Spirit and truly "in Christ". Many Christians are still carnal, and still walking in the flesh as Paul even described in his letters. So if one claims to be "in Christ" and yet living "in sin" and then also "swears falsely" to come in his name, then the curses listed in scripture do apply, and are even shown being sent forth in Zechariah 5:3-4[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

This curse was to go forth over the face of the whole earth, and was to be carried into the future into the land of SHINAR...which speaks of Mystery Babylon and those who would play the Harlot by being in bed with the ways of the world.

Many Christians deny you can fall away from the faith, but there is a whole host of scriptures that confirm this truth. Many may not like the message, but it is true.

Notice what Peter says here....

2 Peter 2:20-22
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

Not only can it happen, as we saw also with Israel, but it also has happened in Christianity as is prophesied over and over again in scripture.

 

[Elin]

Many Christians deny you can fall away from the faith, but there is a whole host of scriptures that confirm this truth.

There are a whole host of Scriptures which are set against other Scriptures of
Php 1:6, Heb 10:14; Ro 8:38; 1Th 5:24; Heb 6:16-20; 1Pe 1:3-5, 2Pe 1:10,
thereby showing that one does not correctly understand the word of God,
for God des not contradict himself in his word.

All the Scriptures, correctly understood in the light of the whole counsel of God, are in agreement.
It is misunderstanding of them that sets one against another. . .a lot of which goes on with some folks.

 

[Elin]

Its retarded

I'm sure others' efforts look that way to those who present what cannot be fitted into the NT framework,
as these others struggle to try to make it fit, but just cannot.

There's a reason it can't be made to fit. . .because something is trying to be slipped in which is contrary to it.

I praise God for locking out for me ("retardation") what does not fit into his NT framework.

Good post. . .easy to understand. . .being in complete agreement with the NT word of God.

Is this new information, or something not understood clearly from the NT by anyone in Christ,
and, therefore, requires much word study to demonstrate it?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There are a whole host of Scriptures which are set against other Scriptures of
thereby showing that one does not correctly understand the word of God,
for God des not contradict himself in his word.

All the Scriptures, correctly understood in the light of the whole counsel of God, are in agreement.
It is misunderstanding of them that sets one against another. . .a lot of which goes on with some folks.

I agree, but some only cherry pick certain scriptures that make them feel good about their present sinful condition and so they try to ignore all the other scriptures that warn them of the consequences of drawing back, or falling away from the faith.

 

[just-me]

Good post, and yes the weakness of the flesh was an issue then, but it still an issue today IF one is not truly born again of the Spirit and truly "in Christ". Many Christians are still carnal, and still walking in the flesh as Paul even described in his letters. So if one claims to be "in Christ" and yet living "in sin" and then also "swears falsely" to come in his name, then the curses listed in scripture do apply, and are even shown being sent forth in Zechariah 5:3-4[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

This curse was to go forth over the face of the whole earth, and was to be carried into the future into the land of SHINAR...which speaks of Mystery Babylon and those who would play the Harlot by being in bed with the ways of the world.

Many Christians deny you can fall away from the faith, but there is a whole host of scriptures that confirm this truth. Many may not like the message, but it is true.

Notice what Peter says here....

2 Peter 2:20-22
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

Not only can it happen, as we saw also with Israel, but it also has happened in Christianity as is prophesied over and over again in scripture.

AMEN! Romans 2:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

 

[Elin]

I agree, but some only cherry pick certain scriptures that make them feel good about their present sinful condition and so they try to ignore all the other scriptures that warn them of the consequences of drawing back, or falling away from the faith.

I understand what you mean, but a habitual sinful condition does not exist in the born again,
that is characteristic only of the counterfeit faith of the unregenerate.

God will not leave his son in a habitual sinful condition so that he can perish, he will discipline him to bring him back to the obedience of saving faith.

However, those of counterfeit faith (no root of rebirth--Lk 8:13), not being his sons, will not be preserved, either by God's discipline or otherwise, and they will apostasize from their profession of faith.

 

[DesiredHaven]

To Elins post #291 which she is has pulled my comment from pages back and is trying to make appear to her own words

I will post to what I am commenting to very plainly, I can snag the posts together



Just so people can see for themselves what continues here

 

[Elin]

. . .so much for
if Israel had refused the covenant, then they would not have been under a curse.

Perhaps,
unless the continuing relationship were conditional on acceptance.
That could be seen as inferred; but certainly not explicit.

Elin,

I answered YOUR question at first by saying I didn't see rejection (of the law and covenant) as an option.

So, Marc, I understand your answer to be,
"NO, because a continuing relationship with God depended on their acceptance of the laws and the covenant."

Thanks.

In the beginning MarcR was answering her strawman. . .

How deceptive

What deception?

Are you saying I misrepresented Marc's answer to me?

Are you sure it is just Marc you are misunderstanding?

 

[Elin]

To Elins post #291 which she is has pulled my comment from pages back and is trying to make appear to her own words

I will post to what I am commenting to very plainly, I can snag the posts together

View attachment 111201

Just so people can see for themselves what continues here

So you weren't referring to my objection to the OP?

Your post states no addressee, and my response being the topic of heated discussion, I thought you were referring to it.

Good to hear you were not.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Elin, I'll let others read what should be plain for them to them since I am being told what I have missed by others.

They can see all three posts in respects to what I am commenting to.

It was study your tactics for themselves.

This is becoming something like out of the movie pyscho

At least thats how my husband words it

And with I have to drop off the car at the mechanics and I am off this thread because this is evil

 

[Biblelogic01]

We must remember that the law is for the ungodly

So Moses, Joshua, King David, King Solomon, the prophets, Paul and the apostles, and Yeshua followed a law that is ungodly, even God gave it at Mt. Sainai?

Hmmmm. . . . . Makes sense (sarcasm). . . .

Because they all followed the law. . . . Paul even calls it holy. . . .

I didn't that when God spoke He would speak ungodly things.
This statement confuses me, can you explain it? That is unless you were using sarcasm.

 

[Biblelogic01]

Also the law (when God is giving it), it's instructions to Israel on how to be a holy nation.

So with all of that, how is it exactly ungodly?

The defintion of ungodly is "denying or disobeying God"

So if God gave as instructions on how to be a holy nation, I would assume not following it would be ungodly, that is based off of what the definition of what ungodly is.

Again I'm just saying based off of what the bible says, and what the definition of ungodly says, your statement does not match up.

Therefor I am kind of confused on it.